[1.12.5] Bluedog Design Bureau - Stockalike Saturn, Apollo, and more! (v1.14.0 "металл" 30/Sep/2024)

[DiscoSlelge]

6 hours ago, VenomousRequiem said:

@davidy12... 

[davidy12]

9 hours ago, VenomousRequiem said:

@davidy12... 

What did I do?

@CobaltWolf, @VenomousRequiem: HOLY S**T!!!!

 

S****N I!!!!  

I have died AND gone to heaven 

[VenomousRequiem]

2 hours ago, davidy12 said:

What did I do?

@CobaltWolf, @VenomousRequiem: HOLY S**T!!!!

 

S****N I!!!!  

I have died AND gone to heaven 

Just pinging you to let you know your dreams have come true.

See, it can be nice when we keep things secret from you guys for several weeks. Then you get to experience so much joy all at once when we unveil it!  

Edited May 14, 2016 by VenomousRequiem

[CobaltWolf]

6 minutes ago, VenomousRequiem said:

Just pinging you to let you know your dreams have come true.

See, it can be nice when we keep things secret from you guys for several weeks. Then you get to experience so much joy all at once when we unveil it!  

I think I told everyone EXCEPT @davidy12... I like having feedback on things as I work on them. 

Basically, me and @VenomousRequiem were talking a few weeks ago about Saturn 1, and jokingly decided that we should just do it and show people that I was actually serious about doing Apollo/Saturn at some point. Next thing we know I've modeled the entirety of Saturn 1 and Venom has modeled the S-IVB. I also would like to take care of the Apollo CSM sooner rather than later so that might be in one of the future streams. I'm sort of in a 'work on whatever feels good that night' phase of development.

Also, this was kinda cool:

 

[Sgt.Shutesie]

@CobaltWolf on the topic of Saturn, I found this video and I think it might be very interesting for when you start modeling the F-1 engine (far off, but I'll forget to tell you if I don't tell you now). Its a walk around the engine in HD, so you can see some of the interesting tubing and piping around the engine. Some of which can be hard to see from in a picture.

Edit*: When Texturing it, please please please put the "No step" written on the big pipes leading into the engine, as seen in the first seconds of the video.

Edited May 14, 2016 by Sgt.Shutesie

[TimothyC]

Saturn I - Gemini on the pad:

We have lift-off:

S-IV ignition:

Fairing sep above the sensible atmosphere:

Pushing to orbit:

S-IV de-orbit burn:

De-orbit burn is successful (taking advantage of the RL-10s restart capabilities):

Transtage burn for the Mun:

Getting close now:

Sliding into darkness:

And out again:

Kerbinrise:

Orbital adjustment burn:

Downhill run:

Entry Interface:

The 'chute is good!

Edited May 14, 2016 by TimothyC

[VenomousRequiem]

4 minutes ago, TimothyC said:

 

-shnip-

Why didn't you just put that all into an Imgur album or something?

Looking good, man. 

Edited May 14, 2016 by VenomousRequiem

[CobaltWolf]

@TimothyC very cool! Almost makes me want to finish the Big G parts so I can see that launch as well.

[TimothyC]

@CobaltWolf Thanks.

@VenomousRequiem, because I don't have an imgur account, but I do have my own server

Edited May 14, 2016 by TimothyC

[davidy12]

@CobaltWolf where did he get the Saturn I? Did you release it already?

 

[CobaltWolf]

21 minutes ago, davidy12 said:

@CobaltWolf where did he get the Saturn I? Did you release it already?

It's not really... ready. Yet. I was getting really impatient with having to work on it in the dark. I sent a link to it for a couple people that I had on skype last night. If you're super desperate to see it, here you go. The textures are only about 90% done and the H1s aren't in game yet.

EDIT: @davidy12 try now, I copied the URL of the page instead of the URL of the download.

Edited May 14, 2016 by CobaltWolf

[davidy12]

5 minutes ago, CobaltWolf said:

It's not really... ready. Yet. I was getting really impatient with having to work on it in the dark. I sent a link to it for a couple people that I had on skype last night. If you're super desperate to see it, here you go. The textures are only about 90% done and the H1s aren't in game yet.

I'm desperate.

Though its not linked properly.

Got it

Edited May 14, 2016 by davidy12

[TimothyC]

Thoughts: S-IV has a lot of deltaV with light payloads. I could have likely done that mission without a transtage (the forward tank on the S-IV was completely full when I had SECO2, and I had enough left outside of that tank to do a de-orbit burn from the 250km*250km orbit (not the aggressive one shown, but one that would have placed the stage in a decaying orbit). I used the Atlas Booster engines on that demo, and will soon be trying it with the S3Ds from a Juno. As well, given the low TWR on the S-IV, I found myself flying a highly lofted first stage trajectory to buy plenty of time for the second stage burn. S-IB + S-IV + S-V tests will be done soon.

Also, @CobaltWolf the control fins on the S-IB stage can not be re-selected in the editor to remove them from a rocket, or from the ghosted/unattached status.

[DiscoSlelge]

34 minutes ago, davidy12 said:

@CobaltWolf where did he get the Saturn I? Did you release it already?

 

Nope

Edited May 14, 2016 by DiscoSlelge

[Sgt.Shutesie]

I did some messing around with Saturn SI and I found that with my non mechjeb assisted ascent, I can get 19 tons to orbit (150 ap 150 pa) with about half of the bottom tank left. Note: The probe core consumes too much power, you will run out of power before you finish the final orbital insertion. 

11 minutes ago, TimothyC said:

Also, @CobaltWolf the control fins on the S-IB stage can not be re-selected in the editor to remove them from a rocket, or from the ghosted/unattached status.

If you aim at the tippy top of the fin, you can grab it if it's attatched.

[CobaltWolf]

19 minutes ago, TimothyC said:

Thoughts: S-IV has a lot of deltaV with light payloads. I could have likely done that mission without a transtage (the forward tank on the S-IV was completely full when I had SECO2, and I had enough left outside of that tank to do a de-orbit burn from the 250km*250km orbit (not the aggressive one shown, but one that would have placed the stage in a decaying orbit). I used the Atlas Booster engines on that demo, and will soon be trying it with the S3Ds from a Juno. As well, given the low TWR on the S-IV, I found myself flying a highly lofted first stage trajectory to buy plenty of time for the second stage burn. S-IB + S-IV + S-V tests will be done soon.

Also, @CobaltWolf the control fins on the S-IB stage can not be re-selected in the editor to remove them from a rocket, or from the ghosted/unattached status.

5 minutes ago, Sgt.Shutesie said:

I did some messing around with Saturn SI and I found that with my non mechjeb assisted ascent, I can get 19 tons to orbit (150 ap 150 pa) with about half of the bottom tank left. Note: The probe core consumes too much power, you will run out of power before you finish the final orbital insertion. 

If you aim at the tippy top of the fin, you can grab it if it's attatched.

Really? I felt like I was struggling - specifically with the first stage not having enough deltaV to get the AP high enough to circularize. I think you're right that a high trajectory is needed for the first stage.

@TimothyC the S3Ds aren't going to cut it. They got nerfed and only have something like 194 thrust, the H1s will likely be significantly better and somewhere around the Atlas Boosters in terms of balance. It won't lift off the pad even with no payload.

@Sgt.Shutesie can you explain that further? I am not sure what you mean by the bottom tank. Bottom tank on the S-I or the S-IV?

I was having A LOT of trouble with that stupid fin - i spent about an hour before the stream troubleshooting it. I thought it was fixed. I'll look into it.

I have also heard from several people that got it last night that the IU doesn't last long enough. It was copied from the stock 2.5m probe core config, I'll look into it. Probably going to lower its consumption, maybe weaken the reaction wheels as well so they don't consume as much?

I would love to see a sort of 'lite' version of the RP-0 requirement for avionics capable of supporting vessels of certain sizes. Would make things like the Agena probe core and the Saturn IUs for more useful.

[Sgt.Shutesie]

1 minute ago, CobaltWolf said:

@Sgt.Shutesie can you explain that further? I am not sure what you mean by the bottom tank. Bottom tank on the S-I or the S-IV?

S-IV, which btw, did it have a sort of RCS system? I find that moving S-IV can be rather hard and power consuming. On the topic of lifting power, Sarnus S1 is more than happy to put a largish probe just inside of the Mün's orbit.

[CobaltWolf]

39 minutes ago, Sgt.Shutesie said:

S-IV, which btw, did it have a sort of RCS system? I find that moving S-IV can be rather hard and power consuming. On the topic of lifting power, Sarnus S1 is more than happy to put a largish probe just inside of the Mün's orbit.

I dunno. Nothing every talks about RCS systems unfortunately. I won't pretend that I've done particularly, uh, detailed research on Saturn so far.

Also, I've made some updates to the OP. Everyone should looks because I'm a vain artist.

[OTmikhail]

Beautiful Pics on the OP. Looks like they could belong in any movie despite being in KSP. It reminds me of the animations in From the Earth to the Moon hosted by Tom Hanks.

[Jay The Amazing Toaster]

19 hours ago, CobaltWolf said:

KSP makes me beg for the sweet release of death

 

Woah am I dreaming... *pinch* NOPE!!! Thanks @CobaltWolf for making such cool looking S****n parts.

[123nick]

why is s****n censored?

[Andem]

13 minutes ago, 123nick said:

why is s****n censored?

Because it's a (generally) taboo subject for Cobalt, you can see why by this face:

20 hours ago, CobaltWolf said:

KSP makes me beg for the sweet release of death

 

 

[123nick]

oh ok i understand why now, alright.

Edited May 15, 2016 by 123nick

[Jso]

4 hours ago, TimothyC said:

Thoughts: S-IV has a lot of deltaV with light payloads. 

Sounds about right. That's a cryogenic stage. Fill it with LF/Ox and you get heavy with extra dv.

[123nick]

hey @CobaltWolf the small little winglet thing with the rocket motor isnt compatible with FAR. just letting you know, also, did u update the OP too look super cool and snazzy? because it is super cool and snazzy.