TheRedTom Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 (edited) 51 minutes ago, lovec1990 said: -how do you mount parachutes on kane 11 command module? 1 There is an additional part that attaches to the top of the pod and allows parachutes to be added in 3-way symmetry - search PX-3 and you should find it. 51 minutes ago, lovec1990 said: -how do you build saturn rocket your manuals are good for stages but i have issues with upper part where lander and orbiter are? 1 Overview Kane Launch Escape System Kane Docking probe Parachute adapter (and parachutes Command Module (Kane 11) Kane Heatshield Kane 2.5m Decoupler Kane Service Module (big one - Kane 11) Service Module propulsion system (also big one - Kane 11 SE-60) Lunar module adapter (which holds the LM (Sina)) has a node to attach to the Service Module engine S-IVB S-II S-1C Profit? LM (within LMA) Sina Docking drogue (DDM6) Sina Ascent stage Sina Ascent stage engine Sina Descent stage Sina Descent stage engine Lunar module adapter Any questions? Edited June 6, 2017 by TheRedTom Added LES Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovec1990 Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 ^^Thanks it worked im launching first build saturn. one question isnt saturn overbuild for KSP? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRedTom Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 18 minutes ago, lovec1990 said: ^^Thanks it worked im launching first build saturn. one question isnt saturn overbuild for KSP? BDB is intentionally balanced against stock parts so as not to be intentionally underpowered. Stock parts (and therefore BDB) are balanced for 2-3x solar systems so I would suggest using something like Sigma dimensions if you want the best experience. (I tried to find where Cobalt said as much but turned up Jack) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovec1990 Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 ^^ Thanks i found a issue. i keep losing kane 11 docking probe after use and discard Kane Launch Escape System any ideas why Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRedTom Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 9 minutes ago, lovec1990 said: i found a issue. i keep losing kane 11 docking probe after use and discard Kane Launch Escape System any ideas why 3 Make sure the LES is attached to the Node hidden inside the Kane Command pod and you should be fine. Also make sure you're not triggering any other decouplers when you stage the LES. A normal mission should go Launch S1-C Engine ignition -> Burnout S1-C Retrorocket ignition and S1-C Decoupler staging SII Skirt Ullage motors fire SII Engines Ignition Stage LES SII Skirt burnout and stage SII Burnout, SII Conical decoupler stage (includes Retrorockets) SIVB Ullage motors fire SIV Engine Ignition -> Parking orbit SIV Engine Ignition -> Trans-munar injection Pre-Mün Stage adapter Flip round and dock with Sina Stage adapter again Orbit mun using Kane engine Decouple Land using Sina descent engine Profit? Post-Mün Stage Sina Ascent stage Orbit and rendezvous Undock and burn retrograde Aerobrake and land Crack open a cold one with the boys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CobaltWolf Posted June 6, 2017 Author Share Posted June 6, 2017 Sorry I haven't been participating much, today is more busy/stressful than usual! 1 hour ago, lovec1990 said: ^^Thanks it worked im launching first build saturn. one question isnt saturn overbuild for KSP? 42 minutes ago, TheRedTom said: BDB is intentionally balanced against stock parts so as not to be intentionally underpowered. Stock parts (and therefore BDB) are balanced for 2-3x solar systems so I would suggest using something like Sigma dimensions if you want the best experience. The parts are balanced against the stock parts - engines have comparable thrusts, weights, ISPs. Tanks use the same dry mass and fuel amount ratios for a given tank volume, etc. The problem is that, as an easy way to think about it, the rockets are at 2/3 scale while the solar system is at 1/3 (not exactly but...). So rather than nerf the rockets to the system (making them very underpowered compared to stock parts and other mods) we keep them consistent with everything else, and let the user balance as they see fit. I think a lot of people prefer how OP the lifters are, I personally don't but the issue is somewhat outside of our pay grade. 20 minutes ago, TheRedTom said: Make sure the LES is attached to the Node hidden inside the Kane Command pod and you should be fine. Also make sure you're not triggering any other decouplers when you stage the LES. Small correction - the LES attaches directly to the docking module, the node is up inside the protective cover. There is no secret node. @lovec1990 make sure you're not staging the parachute mount decoupler, that's for jettisoning the docking module. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovec1990 Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 ^^thanks i figured it out i was decoupling parachute mount. well my first mission ended with loss of lander and crew, but command module with one crew member returned i kinda came too hot for landing not used too this lander started too brake too late. Well i used mechjeb for help but it turns out when you only have command module and lander attached mechjeb cannot control it but whole rocket worked fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minepagan Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 (edited) 5 hours ago, lovec1990 said: hi, i just installed this mode but i have a issues: -how do you mount parachutes on kane 11 command module? -how do you build saturn rocket your manuals are good for stages but i have issues with upper part where lander and orbiter are? Welcome to BDB! I'm the guy in charge of the kerbalx.com craft repository, which will be able to answer both of your questions. If you download the Apollo CSM+LEM craft (https://kerbalx.com/minepagan/Apollo-CSM+LEM) you will be able to see how the entire Apollo spacecraft is assembled inside its interstage adapter. If you remove the LES tower, you will also be able to see the top of the Command Module, and view how the parachutes are attatched to the mount on it's nose. If you have any more questions about any of the craft, I'd be happy to help! EDIT: Sorry I was a little late to the party, but I still wanna help! Edited June 6, 2017 by minepagan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minepagan Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 Skylab progress! Normally @CobaltWolf would be the one posting these, but he forgot to post them here before shutting off his PC. So here I am to claim all his rep! MWAHAHA! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovec1990 Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 16 hours ago, minepagan said: Welcome to BDB! I'm the guy in charge of the kerbalx.com craft repository, which will be able to answer both of your questions. If you download the Apollo CSM+LEM craft (https://kerbalx.com/minepagan/Apollo-CSM+LEM) you will be able to see how the entire Apollo spacecraft is assembled inside its interstage adapter. If you remove the LES tower, you will also be able to see the top of the Command Module, and view how the parachutes are attatched to the mount on it's nose. If you have any more questions about any of the craft, I'd be happy to help! EDIT: Sorry I was a little late to the party, but I still wanna help! thank you for offer at time you posted i already was testing the fully build saturn V Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minepagan Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 18 minutes ago, lovec1990 said: thank you for offer at time you posted i already was testing the fully build saturn V Yeah, I'd noticed, what I hadn't noticed at the time (because I was on mobile) was that there was another page full of responses to you... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 On 05/06/2017 at 8:50 PM, CobaltWolf said: Spoiler My new wallpaper, so cute ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rory Yammomoto Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 (edited) I did something that is probably cool. Edited June 8, 2017 by Rory Yammomoto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CobaltWolf Posted June 8, 2017 Author Share Posted June 8, 2017 3 hours ago, Rory Yammomoto said: I did something that is probably cool. Very cool, but I think the idea of redocking multiple times during the burn is not... viable. Similar proposals either would just keep the tankage the whole burn (and thus require that the lander be stacked underneath the orbiter) or entire stages burned serially (such as the real life S-IVC proposal) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rory Yammomoto Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 7 hours ago, CobaltWolf said: Very cool, but I think the idea of redocking multiple times during the burn is not... viable. Similar proposals either would just keep the tankage the whole burn (and thus require that the lander be stacked underneath the orbiter) or entire stages burned serially (such as the real life S-IVC proposal) Well, I didn't. I went around a full orbit after re-docking. You have just given me an Idea for the next mission... Project Satan Sagan is go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pappystein Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 (edited) So I was not the only one to do so but several people asked @CobaltWolf how hard it would be to shorten the Saturn's mighty J-2 Hydrolox engine to make the proposed Sea Level variant. The only real changes Cobaltwolf had to implement were minor modeling resizes and not a whole new model/texture which can take DAYS to do when he has NOTHING ELSE to do. You have already seen Cobaltwolf's singular picture of his Saturn II INT-18 rocket... It flew nicely and looked pretty.... Well I decided I needed to pay my screenshot tax again. I did a test with two similar size/mass station modules with the Saturn-II INT-18 vs the Atlas-V aided by 5x GEM46 rockets. Mods involved are B9 Procedural wings, SSTU and BDB (primarily) SSTU provided a couple engines and the station core parts (I love the Russian DOS type parts for some reason...) The bulk of the Rocket was BDB to the core... Including the experimental and un-supported S-IVC engine mount. The goal was to recover SRMs, Stage 1 and Stage 2.... Forgot to put chutes on stage 1.... And stage 2 (S-IVC) had a critical part failure on landing at 4.1m/s in the ocean..... This seems to be common with BDB parts that are rescaled (should this be put in the bug tracker?) The Saturn II had enough Delta V to park the DOS station core in a perfectly circular and perfectly adjusted 0 degrees of inclination orbit at 1 million meters... Enough delta V was left in the S-IVC stage that I could have almost landed it without chutes at KSP.... But I didn't try to as the plan all along was a water landing.... The Muo-V, even after giving it a larger Centaur G or T upper stage and 5x GEM-46 could only reach 640km..... And no chance of recovering the 2nd stage due to almost 0 delta V at the end of the orbital burn. Edited June 8, 2017 by Pappystein Results. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rory Yammomoto Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 2 hours ago, Pappystein said: ...[t]he Saturn II had enough Delta V to park the DOS station core in a perfectly circular and perfectly adjusted 0 degrees of inclination orbit at 1 million meters... Enough delta V was left in the S-IVC stage that I could have almost landed it without chutes at KSP.... But I didn't try to as the plan all along was a water landing.... The Muo-V, even after giving it a larger Centaur G or T upper stage and 5x GEM-46 could only reach 640km..... And no chance of recovering the 2nd stage due to almost 0 delta V at the end of the orbital burn. Scale of planet? I mean, we need to know, since Kopernicus is working for 1.3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CobaltWolf Posted June 9, 2017 Author Share Posted June 9, 2017 Got frustrated trying to work on part of the Skylab texture, decided to throw it in game. I'm committed to making sure it is finished some time in the near future - of course, ATM still needs to finish being modeled... What does everyone think? There's still some rough parts of the texture. Anyone wanna take a whack at identifying what still needs work? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronCretin Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 (edited) My latest BDB launch vehicle: Edited June 9, 2017 by IronCretin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbodiah Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 "Journey to the center of the earth" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pappystein Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 20 hours ago, Rory Yammomoto said: Scale of planet? I mean, we need to know, since Kopernicus is working for 1.3. Until the mighty @Galileo Planet mod is working it is purely a stock system. I played around with Sigma Dimensions a bit and could not orbit most of the BDB rockets in a 2.5x system. Delta II could only orbit a .1 ton (100kg) object into LKO.) I am currently using Sandbox to build my lifters so I can just focus on payloads once Galileo Planet pack is back up and at full steam. Too be clear I COULD have orbited the station out further I had the Delta V for a Trans Lunar Injection and possibly a circulation burn at either Mun or Minimus. I had a feeling the Muo/Atlas V would not be able to so I stopped at a million meters altitude.... I may even play around and make a GSO station.... Identical launch profiles any time I need to lift something to the station. 17 hours ago, IronCretin said: My latest BDB launch vehicle: Winner for Most unique way to launch an Apollo Mk2 capsule into space using only Saturn parts! 17 hours ago, CobaltWolf said: Got frustrated trying to work on part of the Skylab texture, decided to throw it in game. I'm committed to making sure it is finished some time in the near future - of course, ATM still needs to finish being modeled... What does everyone think? There's still some rough parts of the texture. Anyone wanna take a whack at identifying what still needs work? Thanks for not making the Telescope mount physically part of the model. I assume that is one of the parts you will work on in the future? Base model looks pretty good. No Gemini door however . I am kidding of course You didn't use a Saturn II INT-18 to launch it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galileo Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 It's coming soon. Just working out some kinks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Dry Posted June 11, 2017 Share Posted June 11, 2017 I found a logical flaw. When only Sigma Binary is installed, but not Sigma Dimensions, the GameData\Bluedog_DB\Compatibility\Rescale\BlueSmurff.cfg is doing this check when it finds the folder "Sigma": @BDBRESCALECONFIG:NEEDS[Sigma]:FOR[zzzBluedog_DB_0] { @systemScale = #$@SigmaDimensions/Resize$ } The problem is, it also tries to reads out the value from Sigma Dimensions ... This gives an error in MM patching during game start and so no MM cache is written. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRagingIrishman Posted June 11, 2017 Share Posted June 11, 2017 21 minutes ago, Gordon Dry said: I found a logical flaw. When only Sigma Binary is installed, but not Sigma Dimensions, the GameData\Bluedog_DB\Compatibility\Rescale\BlueSmurff.cfg is doing this check when it finds the folder "Sigma": @BDBRESCALECONFIG:NEEDS[Sigma]:FOR[zzzBluedog_DB_0] { @systemScale = #$@SigmaDimensions/Resize$ } The problem is, it also tries to reads out the value from Sigma Dimensions ... This gives an error in MM patching during game start and so no MM cache is written. I just put up PR #322 which changes it to NEEDS:[SigmaDimensions] to fix this problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jso Posted June 11, 2017 Share Posted June 11, 2017 3 hours ago, TheRagingIrishman said: I just put up PR #322 which changes it to NEEDS:[SigmaDimensions] to fix this problem. Merged. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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