Mister Dilsby Posted February 25, 2016 Author Share Posted February 25, 2016 2 minutes ago, Chemp said: I hope this doesn't come too late. I had the idea yesterday but had no access to my computer until today to test if it works - and it does!. You don't have to redesign your scansats, the claw can grab them if you open the scanner and hit it with the claw dead center, like so: Dangit. Where were you two days ago? Not in my kitchen, I can tell you that! And why, why did I rage-deorbit them? Oh well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chemp Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 7 minutes ago, Kuzzter said: Dangit. Where were you two days ago? Not in my kitchen, I can tell you that! And why, why did I rage-deorbit them? Oh well. I guess I would have done the same after half an our of trying to dock, just to get frustrated. Like when I discovered that my lovely science expedition to the Mun that I designed the other day happened to be without the science subassembly in the cargo bay. But hey, let's say it's all Bob's fault On the bright side, now Samantha gets to repeat her reentry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Dilsby Posted February 25, 2016 Author Share Posted February 25, 2016 10 minutes ago, Chemp said: But hey, let's say it's all Bob's fault On the bright side, now Samantha gets to repeat her reentry. Yeah, let's. Or Nimzo, he's the newest, and also entirely blameless so that makes sense somehow. Oh, and I ran out of replikes or I'd have given you a couple for that, sorry Chemp. In other news I updated the OP with the Chapter 5 album link and realized I had never posted an album of the Interlude where Evil Kenlie aggressively de-orbits the Eve flotilla. So if you got here late and are wondering what the heck Bobak and Gene were talking about at the beginning of Chapter 4, now you know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alchemist Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 Wait, flaps? I'm not sure I can find flaps on this craft. If you used some of those control surfaces on the main wings - they are too far back to be used as flaps during reentry. They produce more downward torque than useful drag or lift if you deploy them down. For reentry the best plan is to deploy those surfaces up (or just trim your pitch full up), get as high AoA as it can hold and brake with your entire lifting surface. (+ high AoA compatible airbrakes). For landing you can probably do it with deflecting both canards and elevons to produce extra lift - deploy one end (maybe even with disabling pitch control on them, but only if you still have enough pitch authority left) and let pitch control on the other to balance it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 I'll miss those sweet scansats. Ah well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Rocket Scientist Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 3 hours ago, Kuzzter said: Hm. Hm! I'm going to test that. I didn't think I could get enough dV from mono only, but maybe I can with such a light, all-fuel ship. And if I have a TWR problem I can always put on O-10s. Thank you! We'll close the chapter here. Not that 'flight operations' are finished, but I think this is already long at 34 pages, and hopefully I can finish up quickly in the opening to the next chapter. Plus, I like ending at this point for now Airbrakes? But those are for pulling you out of the hypersonic deceleration spin! What, isn't that how everyone slows down their spaceplanes? Anyway, MK3 parts seem to have a slightly radioactive effect- that is, they repel each other, and even the slightest jostle will disturb the balance between the spin-pair attraction and the strong fall-y-apart-y force, such as is provided by touchdown. I have experimental data on this, in the form of my A320 replica, which would, every time I landed it, fall apart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alchemist Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 1 hour ago, Mad Rocket Scientist said: Anyway, MK3 parts seem to have a slightly radioactive effect- that is, they repel each other, and even the slightest jostle will disturb the balance between the spin-pair attraction and the strong fall-y-apart-y force, such as is provided by touchdown. I have experimental data on this, in the form of my A320 replica, which would, every time I landed it, fall apart. I hope it goes away in 1.1. One of the devnotes mentioned fighting something very similar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Dilsby Posted February 25, 2016 Author Share Posted February 25, 2016 (edited) 1 hour ago, Mad Rocket Scientist said: Anyway, MK3 parts seem to have a slightly radioactive effect- that is, they repel each other, and even the slightest jostle will disturb the balance between the spin-pair attraction and the strong fall-y-apart-y force, such as is provided by touchdown. I have experimental data on this, in the form of my A320 replica, which would, every time I landed it, fall apart. Well the Kerbfleet Crashed Transport Study Board (CTSB) agrees that something like this happened here. From the look of the wreckage, the ship just kind of fell apart. The two cargo bay sections are intact and separate from each other and the command module. The Mk2 engine nacelles are on the ground next to them, pretty much intact and with the engines still connected. The landing gear is disconnected but intact, next to the nacelles. The wings are destroyed, and the tail, but it looks like that's pretty much it. Derpstar Two will likely just move the brakes around, and maybe carry some additional fuel reserve. (I think I had more than enough thrust margin on five engines, so I can safely add a little mass, yes.) If Sam can get it back to the nice flat runway, or failing that the grass near it, it'll do fine. In any case, as long as she "walks away" every time I don't care too much what happens to the ship. Edited February 25, 2016 by Kuzzter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander Zoom Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 On top of everyone else's suggestions, are you running with KAS and/or KIS? If so, the solution is simple - send the Scansats up with RCS quads and a single small round tank hanging off the side, then have a kerbonaut on EVA remove all that and stow it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Dilsby Posted February 25, 2016 Author Share Posted February 25, 2016 3 minutes ago, Commander Zoom said: On top of everyone else's suggestions, are you running with KAS and/or KIS? Pfft. If I were using those, I'd have just sent up the Intrepid as loose parts in a few hundred separate SSTO flights, no boosters needed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotius Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 Crashing like a boss, and doing the Unflinching Walk with all the swag. Oh, yes - Samantha fits right in (even if she tends to freak out internally from time to time ). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deddly Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 I have to say I actually love the fact that it's becoming almost a running joke that Gregmore always gets forgotten about. That is just begging to be written into the story somehow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Dilsby Posted February 25, 2016 Author Share Posted February 25, 2016 14 minutes ago, Deddly said: I have to say I actually love the fact that it's becoming almost a running joke that Gregmore always gets forgotten about. That is just begging to be written into the story somehow. Well, somebody has to lead the B-team to Dres. (Joking! It's a joke! A JOKE!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geschosskopf Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 36 minutes ago, Kuzzter said: Well, somebody has to lead the B-team to Dres. (Joking! It's a joke! A JOKE!) Never disparage Dres. According to the mythology of my Kerbals, Dres was the apprentice of the smith god Kerbin, helping him forge the universe. But Kerbin quit early and while tidying up the shop before going home himself, Dres noticed a fatal weakness, so he added the Sacred Strut to hold the universe together. You can see it today, the silver band around the elliptic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenWolf Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 Count me in as another voice for monoprop powered probes. I've had great success with them in both stock and 6.4x scales. It's easily feasible to make a compact monoprop probe with more delta-v than a similarly sized LFO probe, if only because of lighter engines. Plus it simplifies a lot of tankage and such if you ever need them to dock with things (as is the case here). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Dilsby Posted February 26, 2016 Author Share Posted February 26, 2016 29 minutes ago, GreenWolf said: Count me in as another voice for monoprop powered probes. I've had great success with them in both stock and 6.4x scales. It's easily feasible to make a compact monoprop probe with more delta-v than a similarly sized LFO probe, if only because of lighter engines. Plus it simplifies a lot of tankage and such if you ever need them to dock with things (as is the case here). Agree completely. Just tested the new scansats, and converted the Jooldivers to mono and tested them as well. Simpler and better all around, so that's what will go up in Samantha's next Derpstar flight! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 I still miss those ScanSats. I want a memorial or something in honor of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starhawk Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 3 minutes ago, Aperture Science said: I still miss those ScanSats. I want a memorial or something in honor of them. Well, at least they weren't sentient as far as we know. Unlike the poor Battbots. Those deserve a memorial if any probes do. Happy Concerned landings! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 Just now, Starhawk said: Well, at least they weren't sentient as far as we know. Unlike the poor Battbots. Those deserve a memorial if any probes do. Happy Concerned landings! NANANANANANANANANANA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Dilsby Posted February 26, 2016 Author Share Posted February 26, 2016 Don't worry, the new scansats are just like the old just with mono instead of LFO. You'll fall in love all over again, I assure you! But let us never forget... le beep... le beep... le beep... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 le beep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 (edited) @Kuzzter Please. We need a "Probes Interlude". A special episode dedicated to The Probes. NANANANANA, le beep, le burnt scansats, le new scansats. Edited February 26, 2016 by Guest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 Just now, Aperture Science said: @Kuzzter Please. We need a "Probes Interlude". An special episode dedicated to The Probes. NANANANANA, le beep, le burnt scansats, le new scansats. ^^ this! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GDJ Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 3 minutes ago, Aperture Science said: @Kuzzter Please. We need a "Probes Interlude". A special episode dedicated to The Probes. NANANANANA, le beep, le burnt scansats, le new scansats. Nope. BATTMAN!!! Those darn Sodium batteries.....they never shut up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxbat Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 Now I don't feel quite so inept landing my replica Derpstar! I call mine Freightliner since I'm partial to that brand of big rigs. Still have some tweaking to do but having a full sized cargo bay in a relatively compact form is a far sight better than my previous design. ...and I did manage to make it back to KSC in one piece...eventually Thank you for the design, Kuzzter. It's now in the inventory along with the Kranefly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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