moritree Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 (edited) http://heiwaco.tripod.com/moontravel.htm Apparently you fall down when you turn the engine off. Burns are magic. SpaceX is fake because they use too much fuel. Calculation of re-entry trajectory is 100% impossible. Oh yeah, tesla is also fake. There is no way that the atmosphere could slow you down. "media" have never been to Pluto, so Pluto don't real. NAXA is pretending that the ISS is in orbit around the Sun. Falcon 9 should have 4 sonic booms. You can't grow strawberries on the moon because it is too hot. Challenger was also fake, and the fake crew are still alive. Fuel exhaust is still attached to the ship. Gravity assist? Bah. It's almost sad how much work has gone into this. No, scratch that, it's very sad. Edited October 11, 2016 by moritree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legoclone09 Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 (edited) 5 minutes ago, inuzupunupi said: http://heiwaco.tripod.com/moontravel.htm Apparently you fall down when you turn the engine off. Burns are magic. SpaceX is fake because they use too much fuel. Calculation of re-entry trajectory is 100% impossible. Oh yeah, tesla is also fake. There is no way that the atmosphere could slow you down... It's almost sad how much work has gone into this. No, scratch that, it's very sad. Uhhh..... No, that's all wrong. Too many typos and it has poor grammar, too. Even if it was true wouldn't pass as a reputable source. Edited October 11, 2016 by legoclone09 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Core Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 1 hour ago, legoclone09 said: Uhhh..... No, that's all wrong. Too many typos and it has poor grammar, too. Even if it was true wouldn't pass as a reputable source. I second that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kerbart Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 Food for thought: whatever we think of the hoaxers, they think the same way about us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motokid600 Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 43 minutes ago, Kerbart said: Food for thought: Tastes awful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerbiloid Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 3 hours ago, inuzupunupi said: tesla is also fake. Tesla is not fake, he is Overlord of Lightnings and will return back in his time. (Lounge move countdown. 10... 9... ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_v Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 (edited) 4 hours ago, inuzupunupi said: <mentions heiwaco whackjob> Yeah, Anders Björkman has been mentioned here before. Known kook, don't give him the benefit of any more search-engine hits. This loon builds boats. But apparently he's an expert on everything else despite having dodged the clue-bat all his life. Edited October 11, 2016 by steve_v Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Streetwind Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 @inuzupunupi - Please note: discussion of conspiracy theories is explicitly listed as forbidden content under the forum rules. While the moderators occasionally allow poking some good-natured fun at complete crackpots, you might want to carefully consider what kind of discussion you're starting. That said, wow. That website... just wow. I think it hurt something inside my head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p1t1o Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 (edited) This one has done the rounds on here before: its not even really much of a "conspiracy theory" its basically just a complete rat trying to sell a book. *Best* case scenario, he's only stupid/crazy. Unfortunately, its more likely he is not crazy/stupid, but just clever enough to make a living off of them. *edit* ninja'd NB: dont forget that atomic bombs also dont work, 911 was a hoax (and Osama Bin Laden was innocent!) and if it seems unbelievable you are suffering from "cognitive dissonance". And also, apparently...several ferry disasters were also conspiracies? (Im not adding arbitrary things, they're all on his site) Edited October 11, 2016 by p1t1o Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YNM Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 (edited) Just to quote myself from another thread : On 6/22/2016 at 4:05 PM, YNM said: It seriously depends on whether he "believe" that gravity, with all laws in it, is true. I mean, if he's a flat-earther or at least geocentric as well it'll be hard. How can we even use Newton's gravity if that's the case ? ... On 6/22/2016 at 11:39 PM, YNM said: On 6/22/2016 at 10:29 PM, p1t1o said: He is fascinating though, I wanna follow him around for a day, see what gets up to, see how he survives... The identity is fully fake though. Googling on the corporation results in a few unrelated results, two prominent : gambling machine industry and automotive. The name refers to some local swedish athlete in skiing. This guy is just soo fake that his existence is ALSO fake. This guy is known to be a full-fledged BS. If any of the reader is part of the scandinavian civil servant then please, if you will, tell us the truth of this guy. Edited October 11, 2016 by YNM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matuchkin Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 This guy is so credible that he puts "X"es into every word that relates to a conspiracy according to his belief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GDJ Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 (edited) I took the time to read just about 75% the entire page that was linked. I found the man vulgar, disrespectful, patronizing, and knows enough of the mathematics to be dangerous. He has shown pictures of dead astronauts and found people that somewhat resemble them and claim the dead are alive. It's disgusting. His knowledge of science is thready at best. Do not give this "person" any more attention. Edited October 11, 2016 by GDJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnemoe Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 9 hours ago, p1t1o said: This one has done the rounds on here before: its not even really much of a "conspiracy theory" its basically just a complete rat trying to sell a book. *Best* case scenario, he's only stupid/crazy. Unfortunately, its more likely he is not crazy/stupid, but just clever enough to make a living off of them. *edit* ninja'd NB: dont forget that atomic bombs also dont work, 911 was a hoax (and Osama Bin Laden was innocent!) and if it seems unbelievable you are suffering from "cognitive dissonance". And also, apparently...several ferry disasters were also conspiracies? (Im not adding arbitrary things, they're all on his site) Don't think he try to sell a book, first he can not write and he is rambling in a the universe is a hoax way. It would be easy to make an conspiracy book based on NSA, the food industry or similar, not ranting in every direction claiming orbital mechanic and nuclear weapons is an scam, you putt off most of the regular conspiracy nuts this way. i might be bad satire of the conspiracy nuts, however I doubt it. The paragraph about tesla was interesting, he call that tesla company is a fake company, why: because its doubt they will be able to deliver model 3 on time, yes many experts assume tesla will have problems delivering all the orders at time. Now this is something between optimistic and shady business practice. It don't not make the company fake, a fake company is a empty company created just for scamming like sending out fake bills. Tesla produces cars. And that does this have to do with spaceflight outside of Musk founded tesla and spacex? My guess he is both stupid and crazy, might well be mentally ill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDE Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 16 hours ago, inuzupunupi said: "media" have never been to Pluto, so Pluto don't real. I wonder how many people can be convinced of that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnemoe Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 13 minutes ago, DDE said: I wonder how many people can be convinced of that... http://www.revisionism.nl/Moon/The-Mad-Revisionist.htm Now Anders Björkman is proved to be fake and don't exist, I believe that the entry behind the Anders Björkman alias is also fake and don't exist, or rather the pages is an very early AI experiment or more likely an chatbot tried to make an page out of google search. The page design, content and grammar make it unlikely its an human who has made it. Unless the someone stand forward and take responsibility for the page we can assume its an result of some software error. its the easiest solution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cubinator Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 You can count on me for this xkcd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p1t1o Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 13 hours ago, magnemoe said: Don't think he try to sell a book... Oh no? http://heiwaco.tripod.com/carnet_propositions.htm Its about ferry-disaster-conspiracies, but still... 13 hours ago, magnemoe said: ...or rather the pages is an very early AI experiment or more likely an chatbot tried to make an page out of google search. The page design, content and grammar make it unlikely its an human who has made it. Unless the someone stand forward and take responsibility for the page we can assume its an result of some software error. its the easiest solution. I could go for this explanation 12 hours ago, cubinator said: <snip> It wouldn't be a thread about conspiracy nuts without that comic! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nefrums Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 He obviously does this just for the money/attention. " Anders Björkman, M.Sc. is a Naval Architect and Marine Engineer with more than 45 years experience of tanker and ferry design, construction and operations. " ref A person working with this must at least have a rudimentary understanding of fluid dynamics, and there is no way such a person could seriously believe that air resistance does not exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p1t1o Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 44 minutes ago, Nefrums said: He obviously does this just for the money/attention. " Anders Björkman, M.Sc. is a Naval Architect and Marine Engineer with more than 45 years experience of tanker and ferry design, construction and operations. " ref A person working with this must at least have a rudimentary understanding of fluid dynamics, and there is no way such a person could seriously believe that air resistance does not exist. On the other hand, he has been conditioned over 45 years to think of any vehicle moving upwards or downwards in altitude as a catastrophic disaster situation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 And Moon is only a bulb in a giant black blanket. And yeah, who said we can't divide by zero? All the same liars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chabadarl Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 35 minutes ago, Ser said: And Moon is only a bulb in a giant black blanket. And yeah, who said we can't divide by zero? All the same liars. They said you cannot divide by zero because infinity is not reachable but that's because they have put them in guantanamo... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZooNamedGames Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 On 10/11/2016 at 3:45 AM, Streetwind said: @inuzupunupi - Please note: discussion of conspiracy theories is explicitly listed as forbidden content under the forum rules. While the moderators occasionally allow poking some good-natured fun at complete crackpots, you might want to carefully consider what kind of discussion you're starting. Yeah learned that the hard way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gerbil Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 The guy is Swedish, i.e. English is not his native language, so you can forgive him for grammatical errors. One thing he does though is figure out how much fuel would be needed to slow down something like a space shuttle. Instead of calling the guy names, and engaging in rhetoric, show that his calculations are wrong. See near the bottom of http://heiwaco.tripod.com/moontraveld.htm where he shows the math: Quote ... you need ~3.6% of the spacecraft mass or 2 800 kg of fuel just to slow down 100 m/s ...How Apollo 11 without any rocket engine aboard managed to arrive at the re-entry start point in the upper atmosphere at the right time/speed/direction in 1969 is a mystery. I haven't been able to find a derivation of this kind anywhere else on the web. So there's the challenge: prove it incorrect. Anybody? (without name-calling, please!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanamonde Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 Eew. This thread was kind of a mess even before it was 2 years old. Time to let it go back to decomposing in its grave. Thanks for trying to help, though, @gerbil , and welcome to our forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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