PB666 Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, tater said: Atlas is already man-rated. F9 Block 5 will be the man-rated F9, which is why they need to launch them soon. They have to launch 5 of them before people. Odd, since SLS will fly with people on the very first "all up" flight (EM-2). There's no rated capsule or utility module that combined is rated, so there's a ride without a seat. I say that with one exception, because I don't think you can mate a Soyuz crew module with Atlas and still retain its rating. Who knows. Edited January 8, 2018 by PB666 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sh1pman Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 14 minutes ago, PB666 said: There's no rated capsule or utility module that combined is rated, so there's a ride without a seat. I say that with one exception, because I don't think you can mate a Soyuz crew module with Atlas and still retain its rating. Who knows. If both parts are human rated, then combined rocket should also be rated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikegarrison Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 29 minutes ago, sh1pman said: If both parts are human rated, then combined rocket should also be rated. I don't think it works that way. We haven't reached the Kerbal situation yet where spacecraft and rockets are all just plug-and-play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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CatastrophicFailure Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 Demosat... that’s the first pair of test satellites for SpaceX’s planned Internet constellation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitchz95 Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 (edited) Uh oh... Edited January 8, 2018 by Mitchz95 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightside Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 5 hours ago, CatastrophicFailure said: According to the article over on SpaceFlightNow.com, this time it was nowhere near that other thing. And the NRO has flatly disowned it at this point, which is unusual if it’s really theirs. Could... could that mean a static fire today?? Would they livestream that, given the magnitude of it? Unfortunate angle in this pic. I only see 1 booster! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatastrophicFailure Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 2 minutes ago, Mitchz95 said: Uh oh... Suuuuuure the extra-double-secret-super-black-you-saw-nothing!-satellite is DOA, I absolutely believe that. Crying shame, it is. Guess all those amateur satellite trackers can just stop bothering to track it, as well as all our international rivals. Nothing more to see, here, folks. Move along... move along... And of course, this... we do not speak of... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAL59 Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 8 minutes ago, Mitchz95 said: Uh oh... Maybe thats what they want you to think... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PB666 Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 Quote "Falcon 9 PAZ/Demosat launch out of Vandenberg is slipping out of January, but nothing to do with Zuma....slip was just before Zuma's launch - so posting this to make sure the official date in Feb (when published) isn't seen as related. "https://twitter.com/NASASpaceflight/status/950486296673308672/photo/1 Damn, who da f* greased January. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tater Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 1 hour ago, PB666 said: Damn, who da f* greased January. 3 launches, 2 in one day, and another a day apart at the Cape wasn't gonna happen. Particularly when rumors have FH as the 29th. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frozen_Heart Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 Hearing conflicting information on Zuma atm: -Satellite is dead in orbit -Satellite and second stage never reached orbit -Falcon 9 worked nominally Which is it? Can't have all of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tater Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 1 minute ago, Frozen_Heart said: Hearing conflicting information on Zuma atm: -Satellite is dead in orbit -Satellite and second stage never reached orbit -Falcon 9 worked nominally Which is it? Can't have all of them. The image I posted above suggests that S2 made orbit nominally. Looks like a week or 2 to confirm spacecraft on orbit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PB666 Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 (edited) 48 minutes ago, Frozen_Heart said: Hearing conflicting information on Zuma atm: -Satellite is dead in orbit -Satellite and second stage never reached orbit -Falcon 9 worked nominally Which is it? Can't have all of them. Its in orbit and the government doesn't want you to know its in orbit. The more confusion there is about its orbital status, the happier they are. Edited January 9, 2018 by PB666 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatastrophicFailure Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 1 hour ago, tater said: w00t w00t! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sh1pman Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 S2 could’ve worked nominally, but the Zuma spacecraft could fail to separate itself from S2. NG made their own custom decoupler (I think it’s the right word) for Zuma, so there could be problems with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Racescort666 Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 2 hours ago, PB666 said: Its in orbit and the government doesn't want you to know its in orbit. The more confusion there is about its orbital status, the happier they are. It was aliens swamp gas a weather balloon... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatastrophicFailure Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 3 hours ago, PB666 said: Its in orbit and the government doesn't want you to know its in orbit. The more confusion there is about its orbital status, the happier they are. Just saying... but if the estimates of 50* inclination are correct, that’s useless for overflying most of Russia, however... ”Why, hello there, Mr. Uncooperative Dictator! My, that’s a very nice thing-we-don’t-want-you-to-have you’ve got there, be a shame if someone... dropped a malfunctioning satellite on it...“ darn shame about those solid tungsten rods, too. There was this really big light bub, y’see... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerbiloid Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 (edited) A day ago (before Zuma launch) I was going to ask, is Zuma translated into Russian as Skif or Polyus? (I mean, a heaviest for the moment rocket (Energy/Falcon Heavy), two-stage with parallel stages, in its maiden flight carries a secret military payload). Is. P.S. Also looks like both rockets worked nominally, but the payload did something wrong and failed, Just don't say that Zuma was trying to perform a 180° turn... Spoiler 3 hours ago, PB666 said: Its in orbit and the government doesn't want you to know its in orbit. "У нас есть такие приборы! Но мы вам про них не расскажем!" "We have so special instruments! But we'll not tell you about them!" (From a joke song Аквалангисты (Scuba Divers)). Edited January 9, 2018 by kerbiloid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tater Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 The customer in this case provided their own payload separator, they did not use what SpaceX provides, so even a failure to separate is not the fault of SpaceX. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PB666 Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 1 hour ago, CatastrophicFailure said: Just saying... but if the estimates of 50* inclination are correct, that’s useless for overflying most of Russia, however... ”Why, hello there, Mr. Uncooperative Dictator! My, that’s a very nice thing-we-don’t-want-you-to-have you’ve got there, be a shame if someone... dropped a malfunctioning satellite on it...“ darn shame about those solid tungsten rods, too. There was this really big light bub, y’see... It was less than that or they would not have been spotted close to Khourtum. Try 40N 127E. Remember that from a satellites point of view the best orbit is one that flattens out on the Z axis over its target. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatastrophicFailure Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 13 minutes ago, PB666 said: It was less than that or they would not have been spotted close to Khourtum. Try 40N 127E. Remember that from a satellites point of view the best orbit is one that flattens out on the Z axis over its target. 50 degrees puts it right in that area on the upper stage's second pass, as it deorbits: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shpaget Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 (edited) So, what could be this Zuma thing? The go-to answer would be a spy sat, basically a telescope, but why such secrecy? US already opetates countless spy sats. Another one is not much of a news. If NRO (or whoever operates it) just said "Yeah, it's one of ours, and it's peeking into your bedroom." the reaction would be "Well, duh!" and it would have been the end of it. Remember the last SpaceX launch for NRO? They did it and there was next to no talk about it afterwards, but I wonder if this universal gag order isn't going to lead to another Streisand effect. Edited January 9, 2018 by Shpaget Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NSEP Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 So... what time on Wednesday? When are we getting news from that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSK Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 4 hours ago, tater said: The customer in this case provided their own payload separator, they did not use what SpaceX provides, so even a failure to separate is not the fault of SpaceX. Not that I have any reason to doubt you, but do you have a link for that? Purely because it would be a relief to this SpaceX fanboy. I'm wondering though if that might also explain the unexplained fairing issues with the first launch attempt - there was a problem getting the NG payload separator to play nicely with the SpaceX fairing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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