kerbiloid Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 (edited) 7 hours ago, JoeSchmuckatelli said: Earth’s protective ozone layer is slowly but noticeably healing at a pace that would fully mend the hole over Antarctica in about 43 years, a new United Nations report says. This can't be a truth !!!111oneone Just thirty years ago a nice young lady had warned the humanity about the inevitable ozone cataclysm and made a career. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Severn_Cullis-Suzuki Spoiler It never happened before, and look, it happens again... P.S. The previous Greta looked better. Edited January 10, 2023 by kerbiloid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerbiloid Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 (edited) Also, there is an argumented point of view that the puking moose are not less guilty in global warming than farting cows. (Can't find the original study, but they say, it's from this Norway man's facebook.) Odd Magne Harstad from the Norwegian Natural Science University (or so) stated that an adult moose pukes out 100 kg of methane (which is equivalent to 2100 kg of CO2) per year. It's twice+ more than what's produced by a plane from Oslo to Santiago. And 140 000 of these beasts are walking around Norway. @magnemoe, shouldn't you do something with that? (Let alone the Canadian forum users which don't care about their moose in turn.) Upd. The elves. It's a part of their plan. Spoiler They also tried it in Russia, but failed. Spoiler Edited January 10, 2023 by kerbiloid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codraroll Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, kerbiloid said: This can't be a truth !!!111oneone Just thirty years ago a nice young lady had warned the humanity about the inevitable ozone cataclysm and made a career. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Severn_Cullis-Suzuki Reveal hidden contents It never happened before, and look, it happens again... P.S. The previous Greta looked better. All it took was an understanding of the science and political action to mitigate the situation (the Montreal protocol). Some seem to be stuck on the first point without hope of ever progressing. Edited January 10, 2023 by Codraroll Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerbiloid Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 Just now, Codraroll said: All it took was an understanding of the science and political action to mitigate the situation (the Montreal protocol). The atmosphere read the protocol, felt ashamed, and returned the ozone layer back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codraroll Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 24 minutes ago, kerbiloid said: The atmosphere read the protocol, felt ashamed, and returned the ozone layer back. You prove my point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerbiloid Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 34 minutes ago, Codraroll said: You prove my point. Glad to make someone happy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrandedonEarth Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 18 hours ago, kerbiloid said: moose Get to know the Moose! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikegarrison Posted January 11, 2023 Author Share Posted January 11, 2023 15 hours ago, Codraroll said: You prove my point. The improvement in the ozone layer is a fantastic example of how effective international governmental regulation can, if done in a timely manner, undo ongoing environmental damage. There are many other examples of governmental intervention also working to correct environmental problems, like (for example) how many US urban waterways are far safer and cleaner to live near than they were when I was a kid. US urban air quality is also much better with the implementation of bans on leaded gasoline and the requirement for strict emissions controls on cars. None of this is a sign that government intervention is not necessary -- rather it is evidence that government intervention can be highly successful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerbiloid Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 4 hours ago, StrandedonEarth said: Opened beer. The main source of CO2 in the atmosphere. Only champagne can be worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeSchmuckatelli Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 We May Not Actually Need All That Lithium Read any article about the clean energy revolution, and chances are you’ll run into some staggering numbers about how demand for lithium, cobalt, nickel, and other minerals and metals is projected to rise over the next few decades. Policies that made cities more walkable and public transit better and more accessible could lower lithium demand between 18% and 66%, while simply limiting the size of EV batteries could cut demand by up to 42%. In the best-case scenario, where multiple types of these policies were implemented, demand for lithium in the U.S. could be more than 90% lower than current estimates. We May Not Actually Need All That Lithium (msn.com) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerbiloid Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 Compact cities → shorter lines. Shorter roads → less need in speed and mass of transport. Car sharing of short-range electric quad scooters with puny batteries and recharging pods everywhere → much less need in power. Thus, multistorey buildings. *** Multistorey buildings→ several tens of meters up instead of a mile horizontally. Multistorey buildings → one external wall per family instead of four and a roof → much less wasted heat. (Because your alive neighbours warm you from the left, ight, top, bottom, and rear). Multistorey buildings and shorter roads → one large police station, medical station, fire station, kid reconditioning camp school station instead of ten small ones. Sharing their resources more effectively and reaching the place faster. Cameras and sensors everywhere. Permanent personal tracking makes the biometry much easier and improves social and personal security. It's also easier in a multistorey area. *** Thus, the suburban low-storey areas Spoiler are the main enemy of the nature and humanity. They waste heat, they make the roads, the pipes, and the wires longer, they make you spend much more energy and materials than you actually need. Happily, there is a remedy: high prices and low medium class salaries. The humanity will use it soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeSchmuckatelli Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 Tornado alley shifting East? https://earthsky.org/earth/tornado-alley-dixie-climate-change/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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DDE Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 On 1/26/2023 at 10:02 AM, kerbiloid said: Compact cities → shorter lines. Shorter roads → less need in speed and mass of transport. Car sharing of short-range electric quad scooters with puny batteries and recharging pods everywhere → much less need in power. Thus, multistorey buildings. *** Multistorey buildings→ several tens of meters up instead of a mile horizontally. Multistorey buildings → one external wall per family instead of four and a roof → much less wasted heat. (Because your alive neighbours warm you from the left, ight, top, bottom, and rear). Multistorey buildings and shorter roads → one large police station, medical station, fire station, kid reconditioning camp school station instead of ten small ones. Sharing their resources more effectively and reaching the place faster. Cameras and sensors everywhere. Permanent personal tracking makes the biometry much easier and improves social and personal security. It's also easier in a multistorey area. *** Thus, the suburban low-storey areas Hide contents are the main enemy of the nature and humanity. They waste heat, they make the roads, the pipes, and the wires longer, they make you spend much more energy and materials than you actually need. Happily, there is a remedy: high prices and low medium class salaries. The humanity will use it soon. And thus... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerbiloid Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 (edited) 16 minutes ago, DDE said: And thus... A proper, normal city. The curve is called "normal" for reasons. What's not normal, is not normal. P.S. And it should be fractal, but that's obvious itself. Normality and fractality. Spoiler With a red fractal pentagram on top. Like this, but red. So, basically, something like that. Spoiler Edited January 27, 2023 by kerbiloid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeSchmuckatelli Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 Steak is not nearly as bad for the planet as some may have been led to believe https://www.sciencenews.org/article/methane-warm-earth-atmosphere-radiation (mind you, the cow farts argument was always stupid) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farmerben Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 15 hours ago, JoeSchmuckatelli said: Steak is not nearly as bad for the planet as some may have been led to believe https://www.sciencenews.org/article/methane-warm-earth-atmosphere-radiation (mind you, the cow farts argument was always stupid) While I was skeptical of models before, such a huge mistake (if verified) means we should throw all existing models out the window. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeSchmuckatelli Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 25 minutes ago, farmerben said: While I was skeptical of models before, such a huge mistake (if verified) means we should throw all existing models out the window. Nah - all the models are continuously being tweaked and reworked and proofed. This is more of a proof of rigor in the system and methodology than anything else. My only point is that some of the more extreme 'suggestions / fixes' out there (kill all the livestock and just eat beets) aren't good science. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farmerben Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 Cattle can help significantly in sequestering soil carbon. The top foot of so of topsoil is the best reservoir we have for absorbing CO2. The preindustrial levels of CO2 were practically in deficit. Double the preindustrial level might be a good target for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeSchmuckatelli Posted May 6, 2023 Share Posted May 6, 2023 Here's one of those fun, science adjacent articles that are humorously wrong. Not full on 'Ancient Aliens' wrong - but the presumptions underlying the stories are incorrect (in the main, or only corrected paragraphs later) Earth was a hot place to live. Very hot. During this Mesozoic Era — from about 250 to 66 million years ago — the concentrations of CO2 in the atmosphere were around 16 times higher than now, creating a "greenhouse climate” with temperatures on average six to nine degrees warmer than today. Scientists assume that methane from dinosaurs burping and farting — similar to cows today — contributed to global warming at the time. https://www.dw.com/en/dinosaurs-lived-on-a-scorching-planet-why-cant-humans/a-65494282 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darthgently Posted May 6, 2023 Share Posted May 6, 2023 46 minutes ago, JoeSchmuckatelli said: Here's one of those fun, science adjacent articles that are humorously wrong. Not full on 'Ancient Aliens' wrong - but the presumptions underlying the stories are incorrect (in the main, or only corrected paragraphs later) Earth was a hot place to live. Very hot. During this Mesozoic Era — from about 250 to 66 million years ago — the concentrations of CO2 in the atmosphere were around 16 times higher than now, creating a "greenhouse climate” with temperatures on average six to nine degrees warmer than today. Scientists assume that methane from dinosaurs burping and farting — similar to cows today — contributed to global warming at the time. https://www.dw.com/en/dinosaurs-lived-on-a-scorching-planet-why-cant-humans/a-65494282 By far, from what I remember, now and in the past, by orders of magnitude, the consistent winners for methane production are microbes in wetlands and marshlands. Higher animals are a whisper in a hurricane comparatively speaking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeSchmuckatelli Posted May 6, 2023 Share Posted May 6, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, darthgently said: By far, from what I remember, now and in the past, by orders of magnitude, the consistent winners for methane production are microbes in wetlands and marshlands. Higher animals are a whisper in a hurricane comparatively speaking Well, and that's animals. Volcanic activity, including continental drift? At least the heavy hitters are mentioned - but the timing and phrasing in the article reflect an annoying trend Edited May 6, 2023 by JoeSchmuckatelli Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerbiloid Posted May 6, 2023 Share Posted May 6, 2023 They do. Spoiler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeSchmuckatelli Posted May 6, 2023 Share Posted May 6, 2023 50 minutes ago, kerbiloid said: They do. Reveal hidden contents Side question: does Ankh-Morpok humor translate well into Russian, or must it be read in the original to be appreciated? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darthgently Posted May 6, 2023 Share Posted May 6, 2023 El-Niño weather pattern expected to be a bit more robust this time around. Hopefully not a lot more robust. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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