The Lounge's "Random Questions That Don't Need Their Own Thread" Thread

[JoeSchmuckatelli]

18 minutes ago, kerbiloid said:

could the vikings be regularly robbing in England

But they stayed.  Raids were a thing, Fer shure, but the middle of Anglaland was the Daneslaw. 

See also NorthMandy

 

 

Also - Kievan Rus.  They liked warmer climes. 

 

Why take trinkets when you can take everything? 

[kerbiloid]

22 minutes ago, JoeSchmuckatelli said:

But they stayed.  Raids were a thing, Fer shure, but the middle of Anglaland was the Daneslaw. 

It was later, when they got used to rob it, and didn't want to spend the time in the sea.

Normandy was also not a short trip, it was being devastated for years.

What were they robbing before, to get used  to?
A typical viking movie is not about invasion, it's about a pack of drakkars, looting, and returning.
If you were a viking, what you could rob from those beggars, when you have almost no room in your boat?

24 minutes ago, JoeSchmuckatelli said:

Also - Kievan Rus.  They liked warmer climes. 

Another funny things about the vikings.

If they control the Dnepr, i.e.the famous  Route from the Varangians to the Greeks, what can suggest a Norse peasant to the rich Byzantians, except turnip and dried fish?
And even if so, a 10 t capable knarr with them looks too unserious for such long travel.
So, the only things they can sell, is what they can get in the Slavic and Finno-Ugric lands, but then who needs that Scandinavia? Why stay there, why need the Route at all? (Let alone the fact the Route is mentioned once in a semi-legend, and has poor to no archaeological proofs.)

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So, what's a brief and rough calculation of a viking naval short trip to England or some other land?

Where did they put the loot onboard, when the boat was hardly carrying the oarmen themselves?

[JoeSchmuckatelli]

Ah - but you forget... This is the poor robbing from the slightly less poor.  'twas ever thus. 

Sure, every one hears about the fabulous money-stary with all the peace-nik monks that one band knocked off that one time... 

Trading?  Spying more like.  Selling fish and a few scrawny slaves for the juicy news of when the church money was moving along the river. 

So then again, another band 'my cousin knows a guy who ran with the Rus and this one time they got a fat bishop and a boatload of gild' 

Irresistible 

[kerbiloid]

2 hours ago, JoeSchmuckatelli said:

This is the poor robbing from the slightly less poor.  'twas ever thus. 

Yes, I always think about this when reading the "sagas", written in so high style by a rich Iceland farmer Snorry Sturluson, familiar with Homer and Vergilius (in Ancient Icelandic translation, I guess), like he was not medieval Bilbo Baggins, but professor Tolkien himself.

Or the epic movies by Hrafn Gunnlaugsson, depicting the real Scandinavian realities as good as Akira Kurosawa depicts the real samurai world, both having nothing common with treasures and luxury.

And I understand when you rob another farmer, take his carriage full of crops, and drive away his cattle.
But how to put this into a boat, whose capacity per oarman is nearly matching the oarman mass itself, plus some water to drink?

The monks are same beggar peasants, but gathered in a campus. Ok, they have a golden candlestick and a chalice, the only in their town.
The lord also has a chest of silver coins.
So, the whole trip looks like "for a fistful of dollars".

Say, the Europeans were taking the South American silver and gold, but they are dense, and the XV century ships were rather large.
The tea and spices from India were not dense, but costing a lot, and the ships were same large.
The (unwillingly moved persons) from Africa were not dense or costing themselves, but they were able to work on plantations of very profitable cultures, like cotton, sugar, tobacco. And the ships were same large.

But any sea trip by an oar boat (to England or not to England) means almost zero capacity, and at the same time nothing dense or profitable to take.

The water displacement of the boats is known, the oarman mass and supply rate is same.

So, I wonder if the famous "he had built three drakkars, and together with a hundred of brave men crossed the sea and returned with blah-blah profit" is to any degree realistic at all. 
I can't see any possible calculation for that.

[AlamoVampire]

Pokemon go players: why do some of you insist on burning golden raspberries on pokemon you JUST put into a gym? Id understand if you were closing in on 8 hours 20 minutes but under an hour or just MINUTES into holding it and youre being assailed relentlessly? What gives?

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you get a max of 10 candies per 30 minutes, its a waste i dont get. I just faced a player doing that after us beating each other a few times but i kept fighting and his last try burned 10 goldens in under 5 minutes and i now hold the gym. 
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Edited August 27, 2023 by AlamoVampire

[Nazalassa]

3 hours ago, AlamoVampire said:

you get a max of 10 candies per 30 minutes, its a waste i dont get.

If you need a green (and cool!) waste disposer:

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In 2021, environmentalist George Monbiot registered his childhood goldfish as a registered waste disposer in the UK.  --  Wikipedia

Besides, I'm pretty sure you can turn it into a pokemon.

[magnemoe]

On 8/26/2023 at 9:07 PM, kerbiloid said:

As it's widely known from movies, the robbing of Medieval England was an important part of Scandinavian life in the Viking Age.

Itself, their practice is understandable and maybe praiseworthy, but what's the economical base of it?

 

https://www.lifeofsailing.com/post/how-long-did-it-take-the-vikings-to-sail-to-england#:~:text=The Vikings' homeland was Scandinavia,average speed of 8 knots.

Let's take the Skuldelev ships as typical examples of the viking ships.

As we can see, Skuldelev 1..3 are sailships with tiny crews, and while their capacity looks enough large, unlikely they can follow the oarships with fighters.
(At least because the very first storm or strong wind would separate them).

Also we can see here that their total capacity is about a half of their total water displacement.
Let's use that for the oarships, too.

Skuldelev 5 is an oarship of 7.8 t of water displacement (so, about 4 t of total capacity), with 26 oars, thus ~30 men onboard, but also it's said about 41.

One man with weapon is, say, 100 kg heavy. I.e. it's 3..4 t.

The travel lasts for a week, and a man eats ~0.5 kg and drinks ~2+ kg of water per day. Probably more, as they are working hard with oars.
So, it's 20 kg of supplies to there, and something like that more if they fail but survive.

And as they need 2 liters of water daily anyway, it doesn't play a role if they are trying to save food.
So, they need 1.5 .. 3 t of supplies.

So, let's imagine that they take a supply sailship of 20 t displacement and 10 t capacity, and a crew of 5..8.
They have just ~6 t for loot even in this case.

Okay, they have robbed the England (again), took the loot and are on the way to home.

They have ~6 t of loot per ~50 persons.
I.e. ~120 kg of loot per everyone, once per year or more rarely.

120 kg of WUT can worth the risk and the efforts???
It's just two sacks of turnip and dried fish.
It's 120 daily portions of food. A lonely viking can survive the winter by eating this, but he could grow it himself more easily.

Or the slaves. Say, a slave together with weekly water supply weights in total ~80 kg.
This means that a viking can take one slave and a small bag of turnip, then feed all the turnip to the slave to let it work (and eat the viking's bread instead of the viking).

Of course, there is always the hospitable Lindisfarne monastery, with gold and other.
But it needs decades to recharge the treasury after the previous viking visit. So, it's an occasional jackpot but not a regularly planned option.

And, I have to remind, here we presumed that the drakkar is followed by a suply knarr, what is unlikely possible.

So.
What could the vikings be regularly robbing in England, when their longships hardly contain even the crew itself, with water supplies , let alone any loot?

(How many times per life had an English peasant seen the gold? And his rural senior as well.)

Simple, you don't max out the crew on your ship. You want an large crew in a sea battle for boarding and also more rowers but this would make it very cramped and short ranged as you point out. 
But you are not planning an sea battle but an long voyage followed by an invasion, so say 30 on each ship and picture changes. 

[kerbiloid]

5 hours ago, magnemoe said:

Simple, you don't max out the crew on your ship. You want an large crew in a sea battle for boarding and also more rowers but this would make it very cramped and short ranged as you point out. 
But you are not planning an sea battle but an long voyage followed by an invasion, so say 30 on each ship and picture changes. 

Small crew =
1. Lower power per oar, some oars aren't used, speed is low, duration is longer, more supplies is required, and higher probability of a storm to happen.
1a. Lower speed and maneuverability in a sea battle, slower turns, slower movements.
2. Smaller squad on every boat, need moar boats, which are to be built (which takes a lot of efforts).
3. Total loot of Skuldelev 5 is still ~500 kg. 500 kg of looted food is nothing even for 10 men instead of 40.

Btw, why at all the vikings were so scary for the Englishmen, who are North European as well. Unlikely two inches of height were so significant.

Edited August 28, 2023 by kerbiloid

[magnemoe]

2 hours ago, kerbiloid said:

Small crew =
1. Lower power per oar, some oars aren't used, speed is low, duration is longer, more supplies is required, and higher probability of a storm to happen.
1a. Lower speed and maneuverability in a sea battle, slower turns, slower movements.
2. Smaller squad on every boat, need moar boats, which are to be built (which takes a lot of efforts).
3. Total loot of Skuledev 5 is still ~500 kg. 500 kg of looted food is nothing even for 10 men instead of 40.

Btw, why at all the vikings were so scary for the Englishmen, who are North European as well. Unlikely two inches of height were so significant.

1 boat was mostly sailed so only 5 is required, see the cargo boat they found. 
1a They did not plan on a sea battle, viking time sea battles also did not require much maneuverability, it was common for defenders to tie their boats together so you could move forces around the repel boarders. Yes speed was nice if you tried to run away or catch an enemy but an lighter loaded boat would sail faster. 
2  60 men in that small boat for a week would be hard and you pointed out you could not take much loot with full crew. 
Yes this require that you have say half the crew you could maximum take but you might not want to take all you fighters on an dangerous raid, an storm could kill them all leaving the village defenseless. 
I recommended half of full combat load. 
3 Skuldelev 5 is small  Skuldelev 2 is the long-ship who can take 60+ men. with fewer men it could carry many ton with loot. 

The danger of the vikings was they they could hit any part of the coast at any time, raid and leave long before any counter could be gathered. England was in an bad state at this time. 
Only practical way to counter them would be an navy they did not have at this time.  Then they start colonizing part of England they could be dealt with like any other army. 

[kerbiloid]

13 hours ago, magnemoe said:

say half the crew you could maximum take but you might not want to take all you fighters on an dangerous raid, an storm could kill them all leaving the village defenseless. 
I recommended half of full combat load. 

The standard wooden Yal-6 boat 

Spoiler

is 600 kg empty, ~900 kg empty with things, carries 10 humans, has 6 oars (and optionally a mast with a sail).

So, its total mass is ~900 + 10 * 80+ ~= 1 800 kg.
I.e. it's 300 kg of propelled mass per oar.
 

A smaller Yal-2 is 170 kg heavy itself, capacity 400 kg, 2 oars. (170 + 400) / 2 ~=300 kg per oar.

Skuldelev 5 is 7 800 kg heavy, 26 oars = same 300 kg/oar.

So, we can presume that 300 kg/oar is close to the upper limit (otherwise Yal-like boats, which are obviously not combat, and need no combat maneuverability) just had less oars.

By halfing the Skuldelev-5 crew, we get 600 kg/oar, i.e. twice harder work, twice slower speed, twice longer trip, twice more supplies (40 kg instead of 20 per human). Actually, even worse, because 40 men on the 26-oar boat can replace each other in shifts.
We get twice lower maneuverability during the storms, when they need to quickly turn the boat with nose to wave, while its board is just 0.5 m above the water surface, and made of planks which can be broken.

In return, we get ~2 t of saved mass, i.e. ~2 000 kg of loot to be distributed between ~15 persons.
So, 140 kg of personal loot instead of 20. (2 100 / 15 + 20 kg of original loot - 20 kg of additional supplies = 140 kg.)

A sack of potato is 50..80 kg, so it's still two sacks of turnips, a bag of dried fish, a small barrel of beer.
As the medieval English peasant had seen gold^(tm) twice in his life, when the king was passing through his village, and when he was trading in the kingdom capital and visited a cathedral.
And for 140 kg of silver^(tm) you could buy the whole village, and probably not one.
And where there was 700 kg of silver, they had already built a castle around it.

So, the loot still looks too lousy to worth the risk and efforts.

Another problem are storms.
When you have several oarboats each full of people, i.e. Skuldelev-5 with 30..40 fighters on each, then each boat is a standalone combat unit.
You need ~6 humans one-by-one to stop a horseman by mass, and a reserve to replace the tired ones on the perimeter, so a pack of 30..40 is exactly what you need to have a viable battle group.
When your fleet gets into a storm, the boats can be thrown around and miss each other.
Continuing their trip, they will reach the hostile coast at random places separately.
So, if a lost lonely full-crew Skuldelev-5 lands, they can just attack and rob the nearest village. For their profit, and for their comrades from other boats help, by distracting and splitting the English forces.
While the half-crew Skuldelevs-5 and 5..8-crew knarrs are harmless and defenseless on land, and can only abort the trip and return back.

So, I believe that if Skuldelev-5 was a thing with half-crew, it would just have twice less oars.
But the full crew of 30-40 is a requirement. Thus, the boat capacity leaves only 20 kg of loot per man, or 700 kg in total, and this looks too pathetic to worth the enterprise.

13 hours ago, magnemoe said:

an storm could kill them all leaving the village defenseless

The interesting thing is that before a storm can leave the village defenseless, the neighbors will attack it before the storm happens.
So, the whole idea of "all men of the village went to trip" looks highly fictional.

And as a village population is usually ~50..100, sometimes 200, the 30..40 men look like a regional army.

13 hours ago, magnemoe said:

The danger of the vikings was they they could hit any part of the coast at any time, raid and leave long before any counter could be gathered. England was in an bad state at this time. 
Only practical way to counter them would be an navy they did not have at this time.  Then they start colonizing part of England they could be dealt with like any other army. 

Britain is an island. The English had reached it by sea, and their original tribes were from the Jutes and Frisians, from the same Jutland...

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Just, when the robbery happens on ground, it's trivial.

Grab the farm, take the carriage, brake the barn and make sleds. Harness horses into them, put all sacks of food from the former barn on the carriage and sleds, drive the cattle, rope the captives behind, and go home.
The fresh water are in the rivers, in the lakes, in the pools. No need to work with oars, just walk and drive the animals.
The animals eat the grass which is everywhere, the humans (including the prisoners) get the food from the sacks.

Why the boat trip has nothing of it at all.

 

Edited August 29, 2023 by kerbiloid

[DDE]

Is there a decent AI that does the inverse of Stable Diffusion/Midjourney et cetera and describes images? I know Clipdrop, but it usually provides only the most basic keywords.

[AlamoVampire]

Idk if ive asked this before but, im at a place that has both a ren faire at one point and today only (true each year just dates shift a bit) and here my cell says 5Ge and at home LTE. So my ? Is why the disparity? Why one thing one place and a different thing else where?

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[SunlitZelkova]

Thought experiment:

A Soyuz capsule descends on your idyllic southern Oregon farm. But it’s 2023, and the capsule has a Soviet flag on it. The cosmonaut who comes out claims to be the creator of the universe. He performs some magic tricks, before saying he has come to you to warn you that your bestest, lifelong friend is evil and will do unspeakable things to you in 10 years.

Do believe the cosmonaut or reject his claims, trusting your friend?

This may or may not be based on a real life dilemma I am having. I’m totally not asking for advice. It’s just a thought experiment I thought I’d share.

[kerbiloid]

Commies. They try to fool you, and admix chemicals to the water. 

Spoiler

 

 

[magnemoe]

On 10/20/2023 at 7:13 AM, SunlitZelkova said:

Thought experiment:

A Soyuz capsule descends on your idyllic southern Oregon farm. But it’s 2023, and the capsule has a Soviet flag on it. The cosmonaut who comes out claims to be the creator of the universe. He performs some magic tricks, before saying he has come to you to warn you that your bestest, lifelong friend is evil and will do unspeakable things to you in 10 years.

Do believe the cosmonaut or reject his claims, trusting your friend?

This may or may not be based on a real life dilemma I am having. I’m totally not asking for advice. It’s just a thought experiment I thought I’d share.

I say no, a bit dependent on the quality of the magic tricks, I might ask him to resurrect my dead father as an example. 

[kerbiloid]

On 10/20/2023 at 8:13 AM, SunlitZelkova said:

Oregon farm

On 10/20/2023 at 8:13 AM, SunlitZelkova said:

Soviet flag

On 10/20/2023 at 8:13 AM, SunlitZelkova said:

claims to be the creator of the universe

If the Universe was created by the Soviet cosmonaut, it would be a collective farm. Is it?

Edited October 22, 2023 by kerbiloid

[JoeSchmuckatelli]

5 hours ago, kerbiloid said:

If the Universe was created by the Soviet cosmonaut, it would be a collective farm. Is it?

Are we so certain?  If Uncle Joe isn't watching him, might he just do something for himself? 

(The KGB certainly did) 

Are Cosmo-naugts known for the collective thinking? 

On 10/20/2023 at 1:13 AM, SunlitZelkova said:

claims to be the creator of the universe. He performs some magic tricks

Okay - how cool are the magic tricks?  Advanced Technology good or quarter behind the ear good? 

Also... Have you been to rural Oregon?  Ruskie gets a 50/50 chance of getting a stoner or a shotgun wielding 'Murica Furst guy. 

(or the stoned version of the latter - paranoia is baaad, maaan) 

[SunlitZelkova]

7 hours ago, kerbiloid said:

If the Universe was created by the Soviet cosmonaut, it would be a collective farm. Is it?

We’re all living in the Soviet Union in the year 3268, but we’ve had our minds wiped so we don’t know. We’re stuck in the simulation program Gavan-5.

(This is a joke and has nothing to do with the premise of the thought experiment)

1 hour ago, JoeSchmuckatelli said:

Okay - how cool are the magic tricks?  Advanced Technology good or quarter behind the ear good? 

Also... Have you been to rural Oregon?  Ruskie gets a 50/50 chance of getting a stoner or a shotgun wielding 'Murica Furst guy. 

(or the stoned version of the latter - paranoia is baaad, maaan) 

Like, instead of pulling a rabbit out of a hat, morphing a hat into a rabbit good.

I’ve actually resolved the real life conundrum that created this thought experiment, and thus developed my own answer to it.

I would stand by the friend and reject the freakish cosmonaut’s claims. Poop happens in life, but I’m not going to rely on a wizard- or hallucination- to try and prevent it.

Ironically despite being an Oregonian I haven’t really been to southern Oregon lol. The farthest south I’ve been is either Eugene, to see the University of Oregon museum for paleontology and anthropology, or Madras, to see the Erickson Aircraft Collection. I can’t remember of the top of my head which is furthest south.

[JoeSchmuckatelli]

1 minute ago, SunlitZelkova said:

I would stand by the friend and reject the freakish cosmonaut’s claims. Poop happens in life, but I’m not going to rely on a wizard- or hallucination- to try and prevent it.

You should publish this.  It's really good advice that I wish more people would take to heart!

 

[JoeSchmuckatelli]

13 minutes ago, SunlitZelkova said:

I’ve actually resolved the real life conundrum that created this thought experiment

That is good to hear.

13 minutes ago, SunlitZelkova said:

Ironically despite being an Oregonian I haven’t really been to southern Oregon

You should go!

So - coincidentally I was searching for content about Westward Expansion for my students and I stumbled across this video about one of my favorite parts of the country: 

Ironically, in a completely different tack I looked up the population of Chico when I lived there (about 35-40,000) and today (102,000).  I'm not sure I'd recognize 'my' town now that it's ~ three times larger!  Also, some of my students chose to write about the native peoples from that part of the Sacto valley, and I'm starting to wonder if the Universe isn't trying to tell me something.

The piece of land between Chico and North Oregon is some of the coolest and most mixed terrain the US has to offer.  With the added advantage that you can drive around a lot of places and never see another soul.  (I've fished creeks with the fattest trout that acted like they had no experience of flies having hooks!)  High mountain deserts, deserts, forests, rainforests, volcanoes, crater lakes, cinder cones and lava tubes, and, of course, rugged coastlines.  Hell, there's places out there with ferns taller than I am (which takes a bit of doing).

Also - the beer is good.  Like REAL GOOD.

Edited October 22, 2023 by JoeSchmuckatelli

[SunlitZelkova]

Thanks for the advice!

7 minutes ago, JoeSchmuckatelli said:

Also - the beer is good.  Like REAL GOOD.

This will definitely convince my mom and her boyfriend for a family road trip.

[TheSaint]

3 hours ago, JoeSchmuckatelli said:

The piece of land between Chico and North Oregon is some of the coolest and most mixed terrain the US has to offer.  With the added advantage that you can drive around a lot of places and never see another soul.  (I've fished creeks with the fattest trout that acted like they had no experience of flies having hooks!)  High mountain deserts, deserts, forests, rainforests, volcanoes, crater lakes, cinder cones and lava tubes, and, of course, rugged coastlines.  Hell, there's places out there with ferns taller than I am (which takes a bit of doing).

Also - the beer is good.  Like REAL GOOD.

My wife did her PT internship in Yreka and Bend. She concurs on everything, including the beer.

[kerbiloid]

9 hours ago, JoeSchmuckatelli said:

Are we so certain?

We are.
The Soviet cosmonaut is a communist, chosen from others, he is morally stable enough to be trusted with supersecret equipment and objectives.
As he is one, he is also a military pilot, a part of the people's elite.
He is crossing the state borders many times per day, while others are waiting for a chance to visit Bulgaria.
The first ones (who were alone in the craft) were later working in Soviet administration, in High Council, etc. That's their career.

So, the Soviet cosmonaut would even not bother with reinventing a wheel.
He would create kolkhoz's ("collective farm", where the farm belongs to its members, and the product is distributed proportionally to their "labour days" amount) and sovkhoz's ("Soviet farm", i.e. an agricultural [Soviet] State's enterprise, where people are hired and work for salary, considered more progressive that kolkhoz, and replacing them).
He would not believe the individual farmer skills, and would suspect him in possibly bad intentions.
As we can see, in the USA just 3% (?) of population are now farmers, so it looks like the USA community shares his views, lol.

Also, he would be a materialist, rejecting the creationism. (May change with age, but never in individualism direction, as he is also a collectivist, aware of the might of the people's collective led by the Communist Party). So, unlikely he could claim the world creation.

So, a Soviet cosmonaut would create the world of Oregon taking the Soviet anecdote as blueprint.

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%Current POTUS name% wakes up in horror, covered with cold sweat, nervously grabs the document case, then sits down on the couch, and stares at the shocked staff with wide-opened eyes on pale face.

"What happened, Mr. President?!"

"I just... Thanks God, it's just a nightmare, just a nightmare...
I was participating the meeting of the Communist Party Plenum, attentively listening the report of the representative of the Party Control Committee.
And then the Chairman suddenly stops him, looks at me, and says:
'And now let's listen the explanations of comrade %Current POTUS name%, the First Secretary of the American Regional Party Committee, why has the exemplary sovkhoz Red Washington failed the plan on the winter crops preparation?'"

 

 

9 hours ago, JoeSchmuckatelli said:

might he just do something for himself? 

You just don't know the Soviet kolkhozniks. Doing for themselves for the expropriated kolkhoz supplies was their skill.

 

9 hours ago, JoeSchmuckatelli said:

Are Cosmo-naugts known for the collective thinking? 

The cosmo-, astro-, and whatever other -naught is just the man in the middle between the huge collective on the Earth, and the complicated technical device in the nowhere. Unless he's Buck Rogers, he must be a part of hivemind. Otherwise, three more lunar craters would be named after the Apollo-13 crew members.
The anarchy of Mercury was just a temporary childhood disease, quickly eradicated by the multi-seat crafts and the multi-day flights.

9 hours ago, JoeSchmuckatelli said:

Have you been to rural Oregon?  Ruskie gets a 50/50 chance of getting a stoner or a shotgun wielding 'Murica Furst guy. 

Have you been to rural Tambov?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tambov_Rebellion
To rural Don?
https://ru-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Гражданская_война_на_Дону?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=ru&_x_tr_hl=ru&_x_tr_pto=wapp
They had airplanes, artillery, and machine-guns, and were participating in the WWI for years.
I'm afraid, the rednecks of Oregon would better in advance cut off the front sight of their shotguns, like in another anecdote.
A typical error of individual survivalists and militiamen is the conviction that as they are strongest in their village, the are strongest at all.
In fact, they would be 1:10 against poor people, ready to risk to become the rich farmers instead of them (in case of US, for example from South), supported with professional army where it's needed. So, their further existance would be just a result of humanism of the authorities who control both.
No peasant can survive without farming and hiding in forests. And the ability of farming and presense of forests is just a question of the authorities economic and political plans. As the real history shows, about 5% of civil population was a price for making the sane people hating but loyal, and then more loyal than hating, when the political change not a question of life and death.
Say, the Communists were officially proclaiming internationalism, and were never going to eliminate peoples. They were eliminating some relatively small social groups, while 90% of people weren't under attack. While some other ideologies were (and are) treating the whole ethnicity (say, the Russians) as a must-die, making the defeat equal to death anyway, and leaving no reason to let them keep the habitable planet as a prize. 

So, the Commies vs Oregonies battle would finish with same Oregonian farmers hunting the individualist renegades interfering with their collective farm business. Probably, with stronger Reversed Kerbal accent.

Have you seen Postman? An unemployed Xerox salesman is a brutal force against redneck armies.

Edited October 23, 2023 by kerbiloid

[JoeSchmuckatelli]

4 hours ago, kerbiloid said:

, the Soviet cosmonaut would even not bother with reinventing a wheel

Won't lie: that was an impressive response. 

Well played, sir 

[JoeSchmuckatelli]

Why does my (IOT) oven have a stronger wifi signal than my router? 

 

 

 

(rhetorical) 

Edited December 5, 2023 by JoeSchmuckatelli