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"As the Earth is now thinking that our ship has exploded, we have several years to prepare the giant megalithic artifacts"

Yes, it's a microscope there. Waiter! Pepsin Cola, please.

Relax Repeated lacks.

Be consisting of water for 75% is cheating.

Calling 911 because all you need is love.

Banned for being far from the madding crowd.

Pool loop

As here is a lot of well-educated Kerbal herders with statistical charting software at hands, maybe build some timeline regression diagrams of energy available to humans, of speed available, of energy source density available, , etc.? Then by looking at it, we would have a clear picture.

Because it was put in production early, and there was no other human-rated rocket until Proton. Also because its expensive launchpads with the tulip were already built and had to be used. Later it keeps being used because it's already being used, with minor improvements of engines and tanks. Dismissing it means a replacement of the launchpads. Thus, one early version of Angara had lateral fuel tanks on top, to let using it from the Soyuz launchpad. Also, thanks to R-7 we now have the main spaceport in Kazakhstan, as its early control system was requiring two navigation stations at 150 km to the left and to the right from its path, and one more at 500 km behind, so Kazakhstan was the place where all of them were on the USSR territory. What place could be better for cryogenic fuel than hot desert? Obviously not SubArctic Plesetsk. But Baikonur had a significant advantage. While other developers were having their factories near Moscow and Dnepropetrovsk, and had to deliver rocket parts via railroad, Baikonur allowed Korolyov have his own reign right at the place and also use the factory in Samara, at the Volga coast. So, while Korolyov was dismissed from the military development, declassified, and became the official frontman of the Soviet cosmonautics, the serious developers were forcedly focused on ICBM, SLBM, and spysats, leaving the manned space flights limited with Soyuz/R-7. Except the orbital stations and Proton for them, which are not Korolyov's. There were several more military cosmonaut groups (for Almaz, for 7K-VI, for Buran), being trained for speaceflights, some of them including people from the original cosmonaut team, but none of them had flown on purposed ships due to the corresponding programs cancellation. Stalin died in the year of R-5 test flights. The post-V-2 rocketry and cosmonautics in whole is totally Khrushchiov's times. The imprisoned Korolyov was assigned as Glushko's deputy when Glushko had asked for an aviation engineer, and Sevruk (the main proponent of hypergolic combat ballistic rockets, and thus the natural Korolyov's opponent) suggested to him to take Korolyov, as it's a lot of work with hypergolic engines, so they can't distract. Then due to unknown reasons Korolyov from Glushko's deputy quickly became his boss, even while there were already two groups, adopting the of German ancestry. He's mentioned by his colleagues as a great administrator of Chaotic Good alignment, harsh but not cruel, but at the same time the memoirs of different persons, not his proponent Chertok, let compare this love to the stories about dolphins. We know stories of those people, whom the dolphins were pushing to the coast, but never the stories of those, whom they were pushing to sea. Some memoir talks about a case, when a department boss was moved to another place after Korolyov had flown on the first helicopter of four, so had to wait others. Also, most part of payload tonnage and total launches had no relation to R-7. They were made by Proton, R-14, R-36, R-36M, R-29RM, R-12. If also distract all launches of Zenith-2 spysats, which are the main R-7 payload in numbers, the R-7 part becomes even smaller. The only reason of its usage (Zenith-2 = Vostok) was poor vacuum electronics. If they were focused on the electronics improvement, R-7 would be required several times less.

Waving is cheating/

Peak of Legislature

Granted. Now you are dreaming of its return instead of you got instead. I wish for iWish.

When you are rhyming tentacles with spectacles.

Floor 4633a. Followed by the Floor 4634bis.

There is an object (say, a human), and its unique handle, assigned by the Universal Operating System. If make an exact physical copy of you, it will be like you, but not you. It will be an exact copy of you, with another unique handle, another "me", another memory area allocated to that object handle, so another personality (while originally exactly like-yours), and another memories (though originally the same, as the copy ancests the allocated memory area descriptors, copy-on-demand, you see). So, to make the copy be you, its handle should be overwritten with the value from yours. Preferrably or necessarily, right in its constructor, to avoid lost memory areas, and thus the Universal Memory Leak. Obviously, two object can't have two squal handles, so the previous you should be unallocated. Important: it doesn't mean killing the original right on the transmission completion. It means that the very constructor of copy should receive the handle value and zeroize the previous one by reference, so your previous body gets assigned to a null handle, and will be later unallocated by garbage collector. class CMe { private: CHandle m_hHandle = NULL_HANDLE; private: CMe(CHandle & hRefHandle = NULL_HANDLE): m_hHandle(hRefHandle) { hRefHandle = NULL_HANDLE; } public: void move(CHandle const & hDestinationHandle) { CMe(m_hHandle); } }; Basically, that's it. You should create an exact copy of your body (or maybe another type of body, compatible with your handle), and assign your handle to it on construction. Then you don't need to send something to there, because it's much easier to send yourself to the something. Time and space probably play no role here.

Everyone would have his own red dwarf as a personal ranch, where you can sleep under sun without burns, as UV is low. Unless the unexpected luminosity fluctuation happens while sleeping.

Most of their plans were having anything common neither with technological/economical reality, like the original lunokhod on tracks (hi, lunar dust, 40 km ever) and with nuclear reactor or the rover train, following the lunar terminator in a travel around the Moon (hi again, lunar dust, 40 km ever), nor with engineer's common sense, like these ones So, while it's theoretically feasible to make a spaceship shaped as a statue of Icarus, more dull designs are usually preferred. I didn't know that, that's interesting to know. You are welcome. http://kbhmisaeva.ru/ The N1 was cancelled because it was too handcraftish, unreliable, and limited in payload due to its spherical tanks, enormous cross-section and countless engines. A cylindric rocket can be made (and it was done many times) longer, shorter, narrower, double-diameter bottle or cylindriconical, have lateral boosters to vary the payload. A cylindric shell of UR-200 first stage can be made a launch container for UR-100, the UR-100 made narrower to have a narrower container, of same cylindrical sections like R-9 stages, and when the engines and the gap obturator have gotten better, UR-100 can be replaced with wider UR-100N in original UR-200-wide containers. And all of that on the existing equipment, from standard section, just having them repurposed. And having every rocket matching the railroad car standards until the very late Energy central body. That's what an industrial way is. This spherical-conical snowman was able only to incompletely fill the tanks to launch less than the 95 t max. It wasn't able to carry more than that. So, Glushko just had burnt the heresy with fire, and started making a proper thing. The Space Race was a purely American shadow boxing. The Soviet people were aware of Soviet achievements when they happened, but knew nothing about failures. So, Sputnik, Lunnik, human spaceflights, and orbital stations were actively forced by the official propaganda, but I remember the very late 1980s, when the articles "Do you know that the USSR had its own lunar flight program?", "Look! We had a project of N1 superrocket" began to appear and were looking conspirologically. The official version was: "Meh! While they have sent the people to the Moon, we have done the same even without sending people, so what? Better look at our orbital stations, which they don't have." Also, every second believe that the Apollos were filmed in a studio, because of no stars on lunar sky and radiation belts killing everyone. The space doesn't occupy most part of human mind. Can't understand, sorry. They were afraid of success of what? It doesn't matter. The very way of the Saturn family engineering is typically industrial, like Henry Ford blesses. The Titan and Delta as well. Like UR and Energy, too. All of them are unified and standardized, all of them use existing parts of predecessors, all of them are made of lego. How do the engineers do? They take an alumagnesium alloy standard slab from the metallurgical plant, polish it with a milling machine, cut into standard panels, bend them to a standard curvature, weld fixed amount of them into a cylindrical ring, make its inner surface waffled with another milling machine, send it to the storehouse. They do the same for vessel heads of standard sizes, and for power set elements. They use standard industrial equipment for that, the more common - the better. The less experienced staff is required - the better. The less staff is needed - the better, ideally only automated machines. And this in turn means, the simpler are shapes - the better. Only cylinders, short wide cones, small hemispheres. No long cones like R-7 lateral boosters or the ... anticone? like the R-7 central body, or N-1 stage hulls, large spheres of different diameters like N-1 tanks (six diameters for 3 stages, almost all wider than a railroad car, and one or two wider than a regular river barge). Very excellent, when you can take ready-to-use parts from several different part manufacturers. They take as many cylindric rings of assigned diameter from the storehouse, vessel heads welded into shorter rings of the same diameter, stack them and weld together, making a cylindric tank of required diameter. When they need to make it shorter, instead of two rings with opposing vessel heads they take one with a double hemisphere inside, and make the tank ends nested. When they need longer, they add a standard section, when they need shorter, they take a section less. To reinforce it from inside, they use power sets elements of standard curvature and length, not bend thm ogively. When they need an ogive fairing, they don't bend it out in Tin-Tin rocket style. They stack a set of short cones. Looks worse, made easier. When they need the lower stage wider than they have or the transport allows, they make a bunch of existing narrower cylinders like in Proton or Saturn IB, instead of growing a 16 m wide something like for N-1. They always remember that the local (especially military) specialists are monkeys with grenades, and the farther from the rocket they keep their hands, the better for everyone. Ideally the rocket should be hidden in a faceless cylindric container, delivered by train, put onto the launchpad, and forgotten. Its self-control (leaks and so on) is also better to self-control by the rocket, lighting a red lamp if the pressure between the rocket and the container is changed, or some electric resistance or capacity is changed. Originally the plan was to deliver the rockets already fueled, but after realising that the experienced military hands will more probably crash a fueled rocket than splash the fuel while fuelling, the idea was rejected. So, they deliver it empty, put in, and fuel. To make a container for a smaller rocket, they take sections from the bigger rockets (UR-100x / UR-200), because they are. To make a command post, they take a container from the big rocket, put the post inside instead of a rocket, and hang it in similar silo (R-36M family). To make an orbital telescope, they take a spysat and overturn it (Hubble/KH-11). They follow same dimensional requirements forced by the railroad, so the Shuttle cargo bay ideally matches Almaz station, even when they don't relate to each other. They don't hesitate taking each other's designs to let the things be easy, thus ISS and Shuttle international docking port standard is a Soviet docking port for Buran with changed electric cable positions (while originally the Shuttle was going to dock to Skylab using Apollo-like port), while OKB-1 and OKB-52 designs sometimes have treacherously unusual diameters or perimeters in integer feet. (Actually, they have integer or semi-integer number of aluminium panels per cylindric sections, but somehow the panel sets match integer feet, lol). The way used in N-1 design is a typical barn rocketry. "Let's take all those water tanks, stack them like a snowman, fill with petrol and liquid air, and attach thirty rockets from dragsters. If we need more, let's just buy more metal sheets, cut and weld them manually, like we made the water tower." It's ideal for the barn rocketry, but absolutely bad for mass production. It would be normal for mass production if they were using mass manufactured tanks of standard size, attaching NK-33 developed from NK-15 after testing that in a dragster rally and mass produced. But all those part were not mass manufactured, they were dedicated. So, to make the N-1 kind of rational, they should be producing the set of its tanks as normal industrial vessels for liquids. To do that, in 1920s they should think: "We are going to standardize fuel tanks for farms and fuel stations. What if in the future we will want to stack them and make a rocket. Let's now calculate which diameters we need." It would be possible, as the N-1 tanks have integer capacities in cubic meters, but it didn't happen. The R-7 tricky shape is caused by the RD-107/108 engine. It's weak (80..<100 tf) and bulky (~2.5 m together with attitude thrusters). So, it requires a 2.7 m wide rocket, but can't lift a cylindric one, only the carrot, 2.7 meters at the wide end. It happened because after making RD-103M for R-5M, Glushko bureau failed for various reasons (high-frequency pulsations, too thick chamber wals, etc.) RD-105,106,110 of ~100 tf thrust, and he decided to make the kerolox engine of the lowest adopted thrust, 25 t (like V-2, but more robust and on kerolox). Combining a quad, and adding the 100 tf turbopump from the failed projects, he made the original RD-107 without attitude controls, ~100 tf. But as the attitude controls from 3rd party would crash the harmony, he developed the known RD-107 with 2 and RD-108 with four attitude thrusters, thus the engine became 75..80 tf, so too weak even for IRBM. So, the way they chose was to take a central booster as inverted carrot with RD-108, attach four boosters with RD-107, and thus R-7 appeared, It was three times overpowered (4 t warhead instead of the required 1.5 t), but it was even better because originally the warhead had 10x30 km error. Though, as the warhead department was failing the warhead re-entry, and there was declared an International Geophysical Year (the USSR, the USA, and the PRC had loudly declared their intention to launch the first satellite in that year, and immediately screwed it), Korolyov suggested Khrushchev to spend one headless R-7 from the storehouse to troll the 'Muricans with sat. Khrushchev was glad and agreed. Thus the first satellite flew into space. After putting five R-7 on military service and realizing that they are a total failure as ICBM, (they ordered to Korolyov / Korolyov asked them for) make a R-9A rocket. Korolyov was not punished for R-7 because the governmental order on R-7 creation was signed by the best people of the Soviet state, so whom should they accuse in that case. Kuznetsov bureau was making the NK-9 engine for it, and Glushko was making RD-111 as post-RD-107 with 4x40 tf chambers (like in the most powerful alcoholic RD-103M, but based on RD-107 design). Glushko was first, and R-9A was equipped with RD-111, raw and untested, so unstable. NK-9 appeared later and were used in the experimental global GR-1, based on the R-9A, and in the upper stages of N-1. Based on NK-9, the Kuznetsov bureau developed NK-15, and then NK-33 and its further family. Glushko suggested Korolyov to make R-7 bigger, give it six lateral booster, and replace RD-107 with RD-111, to make it 20 t capable, but to that time the UR-500 was more perspective and sane than another bunch of carrots on a huge rotating "Tulip", while the RD-111 was not properly finished, so the further R-7 and RD-107 upgrades were done by other bureaus. *** Now let's imagine that in mid-1950s the Soviet Governmental Commission had listened to the Korolyov description of R-7 and tulip launchpad, made a cuckoo sign, deciding that no ICBM and saved money is better than no ICBM and spent money, and totally dismissed him from rocketry and space, sending him to the rocket factory as a manager (the post where he was good). Obviously, no sat or Vostok is flying somewhere, Zenith spysat (closer to Corona or Sputnik-3) keeps being developed (irl replaced with Zenith-2 aka Vostok). Maybe the 'Muricans are the first in space, let them be happy, but more probably that in absence of Russkies in Space they keep screwing that space and finally lose the race again, lol. There is already 1.65 m Yangel's middle-range R-12 on pseudokerosene and nitric acid, replacing R-5M, and short-range SLBM R-13/R-21, all of them derived from R-11, derived from Wasserfall, derived from A-4. Next step is R-9B on UDMH and nitric acid, cancelled (due to then-weak engines and Korolyov's opposing to Yangel, who was formally his deputy) and turned into a family of IRBM and ICBM, i.e. R-14 and R-16. The size is the same as in real history. Thanks, railroad, for your 325 cm wide cars, causing R-16 1st stage 290 cm. Thanks, Thor, for your 8 ft (aka 244 cm) as the R-14 only stage. Thanks, R-14, for your 244 or 246 cm as the R-16 2nd stage. IRL also thanks R-9A for your 268 cm as R-14 shirt, compatible with the R-9A launchpad. Btw by taking a metal sheet 174x70 cm (or in case of Proton 200x80 cm), we can easily get some perimeters and diameters. From the railroad dimensions, we have 290 cm of max diameter inside a car, and 448 cm oversized. Thus, the widest part of Proton is 435 cm, but by splitting a shroud in quarters, we can have 570 cm wide shroud. Also, that's why the Shuttle cargo bay is 4.5+ m wide, exactly matching Salyut. Yes, thanks to the Roman horses. The A-4 is 165 cm in diameter, but twice as wide ~325 cm in wing span, so transportable straight by a railroad, or diagonally by a trailer which is transportable by the railroad. For wider stages only barges are appropriate. Barges can contain integer number of the Intermodal Containers of fixed size https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intermodal_container#Specifications. Basically, they are 2.438 m wide. Taking intercontainer gap as 5 cm, we have standard barge payload zone widths: 2 containers = 2x2.438 + 3x0.05 = 5 m 3 containers = 3x2.438 + 4x0.05 = 7.5 m 4 containers = 4x2.438 + 5x0.05 = 10 m (most common) 5 containers = 5x2.438 + 6x0.05 = 12.5 m 6 containers = 6x2.438 + 7x0.05 = 15 m (river-sea class barge, avoid it for its renting price) 24 containers = 24x2.438 + 25x0.05 = 60 m MSC Gülsün (Notice the perfect match of the sizes and the Metric units. It's probably done by French or Germans to troll the Anglosaxons). The same dimension limits are also clearly visible in the automobile trailer sizes, and bridge standards. The railroad car is 22..25 m long, thus all rockets or rocket stages are shorter than 22 m. If they are longer, they consist of two parts, assembled after the railroading. The central UR-700 (9-block) booster and the additional boosters of UR-700 (15- and 18-block) consist of two main 4.1 m wide parts: fuel tank and engines, and oxidizer tank. Each is delivered by its own car. The lateral UR-700 (9-block) boosters has a third part on top, transfusion tank, consisting of 12 m high tilted cone and ~10 m cylinder. The central and lateral booster tanks of UR-700 (15- and 18-block) are longer by one 2-m high section, 7 and 5 instead of 6 and 4 rings. All of them are shorter than a railroad car. That's the engineers' way of doing things. Science is for nerds, who live in their Mathematrix. True engineers measure in train cars and barges by hands. That's the Way. *** So, in absence of R-7 and R-9 the R-14 and R-16 pair appears by several years earlier, and has same dimensions. The they are taken and used by OKB-52 in their development of UR family. UR-200 is a standard launch vehicle for 2.5 t orbital payloads (IS/US sats), and in this reality becomes the first rocket to put in LEO all three first sats, and something like Mercury (1.7 t), if they decide. Actually, it would be a 0.8 sized single-seat cabin of further LK-1 with some lifesupport aggregate attached below, like they prefer, with 2..6 orbits lifespan. Non-maneuverable, pure Mercury. By implementing the intermediate concept which led from 3 m wide UR-200 to 4 m wide UR-500, they would attach four lateral booster of then-coming-UR-500 with engines from UR-200 (nailed, not jettisonnable, like in UR-500, but with their own fuel tanks in every), enlarge the second stage to 2.9 m, and get a rocket with 5 t payload, ideal for Vostok (4.8 t) or simplified LK-1 (standard 2.511 capsule, but no maneuvering). Vostok is basically a stratospheric balloon cabin, used in many ways since Piccard created it first for FNRS-1, so its usage in a spaceship looks obvious, either as a cabin, or as a habitat. Basically, this gives Vostok/Voskhod and Soyuz. So, even if the very first ship was based on LK-1 design, it's very possible that Vostok would be repeated in this reality as the first day-to-week flight ship for basic experiments. The Mercury-like cone would anyway be airbreaking ballistically, at the same 10 g. Once RD-253 come into scene, a UR-500-compatible, 4.1 m wide, 250 t heavy rocket with twin RD-253, third stage of UR-500 as 2nd stage, with payload capacity of 6+ t, i.e. a total alternative for R-7 appears. It would be launching Soyuzes and LK-1. Btw, LK-1 has a triple purpose. Its rear booster (delta-V ~ 3 km/s) can put it in LEO, or send it from LEO to the lunar flyby, or return it from the lunar surface to the Moon (they called it LK-3). Actually, a rather multifunctional ship with that booster as integral part. It was replaced with LK-700 to increase it volume, to add two lunar EVA suits. Otherwise they should be getting out in undies rescue suits, and have just several minutes to plant a flag, listen the anthem, make a selfie, grab several nearest stones and jump back to the cabin. This would happen in early 1960s. In absence of N-1 distraction, the RD-270 is developed, the UR-700 appears first 9-block, then 15- and 18-block, up to 270 t payload. The UR-500 adopts NK-33 family as UR-500MK, then grows up twice, becoming a 70 t capable kerolox rocket. The next step is 8.8 m central booster with four expanded parablocks from UR-700 (15-block), followed by UR-700M of 12 m central body and seven lateral 8.8 m boosters, 700+ t of payload. As RD-170 was designed from the RD-270 turbopump and, they say, NK-33 ancestry, a RD-170 or quad NK-33+ still appears to make the rocket kerolox. Probably, the further progress would be possible only as a combination of Sea Dragon and Nexus, so they would wait for wiki article with its DIY pdf on it.

Deflated Plastihill

The budget deficit of developed countries would be in googodollars.

Banned for yearism.

Granted. You stick a bird feather into it. Now it has a decoration functionality. I wish for a normal OS instead of Win vs *nix false choice.

Imagine that you are slowly piloting https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rutan_Voyager The ET will be thinking that the Earth is occupied by Kzin or Kilrathi. Wait... Oh...

10 000 000 000 page long threads would be a normal thing. And 10 000 000 year necroposting.

The next planned flight was to use a modified N1 with NK-33 instead of NK-15, so it had chances. Also it had increased capacity (95 vs 85 t in LEO, so +~10%). But was cancelled due to the whole program cancellation. Also the RD-270 engine had a planned kerosene modification for N-1 to replace NK-33. If it was finished, it would give aanother chance. But in any case, the N-1 capacity was 1.5 times less than SaturnV's or Energia with 8 boosters, and barely was able put onto the Moon something safe or useful. It was an illusion of lunar rocket, not a lunar rocket. It was tested three times in LEO, and never on landing, which it was purposed for. Which was to be designed by the bureau which had never practically designed any orbital ship bigger than Soyuz, just "took" two ready-to-use unbuilt Almaz instances and applied changes, which were, if look at the further expanded Almaz, planned by the Salyut bureau long before it happened. (The electronics had become better and allowed direct photo transmissions from orbit, the optical telescope was considered auxiliary and reduced, while the large radar became the main tool of Almaz, and was permanently being improved, so the photocapsules got obsolete, and it was no more need in the torpedo tube, sticking out down from the spherical compartment behind. A nose docking part was planned (and unplannedly added to the OPS instance from museum, and it's an interesting things, as it's described as "for Soyuz", but has nothing common with the Syromyatnikov's Soyuz port. It's of Almaz native standard, geometrically and physically compatible with Soyuz-4/5, lol.) Thus the whole spherical chamber was obsolete to that time, as the EVA hatch could be put into the added 2 m wide nose compartment, like it was there on "Salyut". This made the rear part flat, and as VA was planned to be extended, becoming 3.5 m wide 6-crew instead of 2.788 m of the 3-crew, it would allow VA be attached to the wide end, like in Excalibur-Almaz picture, with launching the station upside-down to let the VA be on top. The thing which Korolyov's OKB did to the unfinished 20 t Almaz was adding to it the engine section from 6 t Soyuz, lol. Of, course, all of them were put in LEO by OKB-52's UR-500K Proton, as Korolyov's OKB never had successfully built a rocket more capable then 6 t. Even that R-7 was improved by Kozlov's OKB for their 7K-VI, not by Korolyov/Mishin bureau. All OKB-1 megaprojects were based on numerous dockings in LEO and LLO long before the first successful docking was performed. While LK-700/UR-700 was direct accent to avoid any docking at all, because it was based on actually existing solutions. So, the MKBS would become another TMK-1 (the OKB-1's Martian ship project with an agricultural farm and rotating mirror for it, lol). What they actually were able to realistically plan as orbital station, was http://www.astronautix.com/s/soyuz7k-s.html Notice, that the OIS part is derived from early Kozlov's design. The whole Almaz project was started exactly to make something bigger than OKB-1 can provide. Yes, they would be cancelled at all for the sake of great design ideas. They were designed by OKB-52 and Salyut bureaus and launched with a rocket from OKB-52, which was made out of ICBM UR-500 exactly when and because N-1 development got stuck, and Korolyov put all efforts to kill UR-500 unborn. Later he became the UR-500 proponent exactly because was failing N-1 and needed something for the Zond lunar flyby, lol. They had plans for L-5 complex https://antonkachinskiy.livejournal.com/11621.html https://antonkachinskiy.livejournal.com/14314.html And plans for this one, too. And this one: Panically avoiding hypergolics, but trying to put a nuclear reactor or engine into everything (and yes, the nukes were successfully used by others, not by OKB-1 ever) R is for Realism, really. The KBKhM bureau is successfully working till now, the death of Isaev didn't stop its work. It was considered unupgradable officially, that's why it was cancelled, and the industrial hardware was repurposed for Energy, a 7.75 m miscarriage of original (8.8 wide + laterals) Vulcan with hydrogen upper stage Vesuvium, cut down because of the N-1 factory limitations among other reasons. The only Soviet hydrogen engine was RD-0120, derived from the nuclear RD-0411 project (the used RD-0410 is its 1:10 prototype). It was developed much later for Energy. Same маниловщина / manilovism when you are dreaming of obviously unrealistic things seriously, like "Let's build a bridge from our village to Moscow, and let the vendors be standing on it and trading, while we are passing by on carriages", as almost any OKB-1 gorgeous plan. The 60s were completely industrial outside of the Korolyov's reign, as well as 40s were. Everyone else's solutions were standardized, based on cylindric sections, scalable, modular, storable. Not handmade curves, non-scalable and non-modular due to their shape and technology. Industrial = 1 000 silos with UR-100 in several years, rather than 5 failed R-7 on ground. Saturn family is an example of industrialism, like the UR and Energy families were. It would be anyway cancelled due to 95 t max payload (when they need <70 and >150), but would be a false alternative, slowing down any other development.