[WIP][1.9.x-1.12.x] Scatterer-atmospheric scattering (0.0838 - 14/08/2022) Scattering improvements, in-game atmo generation and multi-sun support

xXIndestructibleEVAXx · March 30, 2022

Apologies if there is a better place to ask this or I'm just missing something, but is there a way to turn off the surface saturation on Kerbin? I'm messing with visual packs and something I've done has made it rather bright, and I would prefer it to be off.

EDIT: Nvm, figured it out!

Edited March 30, 2022 by xXIndestructibleEVAXx

damerell · April 6, 2022

I'm contemplating a boat trip around Laythe, and so when I saw Scatterer gives actual waves, I installed it. Hooray, this should add a bit of interest to boat trips.

However, now I have to ask - anyone got any tips for boat design if you are using Scatterer to give actual waves? Bolting together rocket spares any old way isn't cutting it anymore.

blackrack · April 8, 2022

On 4/6/2022 at 4:53 PM, damerell said:

I'm contemplating a boat trip around Laythe, and so when I saw Scatterer gives actual waves, I installed it. Hooray, this should add a bit of interest to boat trips.

However, now I have to ask - anyone got any tips for boat design if you are using Scatterer to give actual waves? Bolting together rocket spares any old way isn't cutting it anymore.

I don't have any building tips, but the thing I remember from this post is that real world stability rules apply (ship designs that are more stable irl are more stable in-game): https://www.reddit.com/r/KerbalSpaceProgram/comments/khzqcy/testing_out_the_new_scatterer_waves_with_my_125/

blackrack · April 8, 2022

New build is up, mostly fixing TAA and enabling it by default.

Full changelog:

- Fix TAA breaking with atmosphereless bodies and becoming a smearfest
- Fix TAA randomy disabling with TUFX
- Use TAA by default on the default preset and upwards, the lower 2 presets still use SMAA
- Expose TAA settings
- Fix UI window being unclickable/undraggable on lower screen resolutions
- Fix Bruneton tonemapper causing artifacts with bright colors

abbiii · April 8, 2022

Flags on crafts flicker with TAA enabled (latest version).

Edited April 8, 2022 by abbiii
add gif to illustrate problem

Flipper028 · April 8, 2022

3 hours ago, abbiii said:

Flags on crafts flicker with TAA enabled (latest version).

Getting similar problems especially with UI in map view. Submitted a issue on github with logs. Turning off TAA fixes it

RyanRising · April 9, 2022

7 hours ago, blackrack said:

New build is up, mostly fixing TAA and enabling it by default.

Full changelog:

- Fix TAA breaking with atmosphereless bodies and becoming a smearfest
- Fix TAA randomy disabling with TUFX
- Use TAA by default on the default preset and upwards, the lower 2 presets still use SMAA
- Expose TAA settings
- Fix UI window being unclickable/undraggable on lower screen resolutions
- Fix Bruneton tonemapper causing artifacts with bright colors

I love you, blackrack.

blackrack · April 9, 2022

14 hours ago, abbiii said:

Flags on crafts flicker with TAA enabled (latest version).

I'm unable to reproduce this. And it looks more like z-fighting so maybe give it an inch of spacing or provide more info (check the OP: how to report issues section).

11 hours ago, Flipper028 said:

Getting similar problems especially with UI in map view. Submitted a issue on github with logs. Turning off TAA fixes it

Just noticed this. I don't think it's fixable without breaking the atmospheres in map view with TAA. The thing is TAA works by jittering the projection matrix to take offset samples over time, but the shaders have to work with it.

Could be fixed by overriding the orbit icons shader, I consider it quite mild though so probably not going to fix it.

Poodmund · April 9, 2022

Is there any ability to set what layers the anti-aliasing affects?

blackrack · April 9, 2022

24 minutes ago, Poodmund said:

Is there any ability to set what layers the anti-aliasing affects?

The choice is limited to opaque and transparencies. The icons count as transparencies. Unfortunately it has to be applied to transparencies or other issues appear with the atmosphere, so not sure what else to do there, maybe just reverting to SMAA in map view.

Edited April 9, 2022 by blackrack

Agustin · April 9, 2022

I think the last update made the menus in the space center to shake. At least in my configuration.

I also saw the flag flickering and in map view things shaked too.

Reverting to previous version fixed all that.

Edited April 9, 2022 by Agustin

R-T-B · April 10, 2022

23 hours ago, Agustin said:

I think the last update made the menus in the space center to shake. At least in my configuration.

I also saw the flag flickering and in map view things shaked too.

Reverting to previous version fixed all that.

I haven't seen any of these bugs, but being a 4K user, I don't use TAA either, so maybe that's what causes it.

Agustin · April 10, 2022

Anyways... Is there a way to scale down the stock sunflare texture? It looks so weird.

RyanRising · April 11, 2022

On 4/9/2022 at 6:06 AM, Agustin said:

I think the last update made the menus in the space center to shake. At least in my configuration.

I also saw the flag flickering and in map view things shaked too.

Reverting to previous version fixed all that.

This is an artefact of TAA’s implementation here. You can find a more detailed explanation above your post on this page.

Benzo Kerman · April 11, 2022

On 4/10/2022 at 6:04 AM, Agustin said:

Is there a way to scale down the stock sunflare texture? It looks so weird.

There are other sunflares available for Scatterer, like Sunflares of Maar. They look better but they are a little difficult to get working .

Krazy1 · April 12, 2022

With TAA (default settings), I'm noticing fairly obvious jittering on the map view. The whole scene is jittering randomly a pixel or 2. It's a bit nauseating. However, it does not do this at all in the tracking station. I switched to SMAA and the map view is OK now.

I found that under Long Distance Terrain Shadows changing the 3 Shadow Cascade Splits settings from 0.015 to 0 pushed the shadow transitions out to farther distances which I prefer. With 0.015 settings, the closest and 2nd levels happen within the normal view distance of a ship and the abrupt edge between sharp and blurry shadows is distracting.

Is certainly nice that all of these options are available to experiment with.

KSP 1.12.3, scatterer 834. I've got a GTX1060 with a 1920x1200 screen.

blackrack · April 12, 2022

6 hours ago, Krazy1 said:

With TAA (default settings), I'm noticing fairly obvious jittering on the map view. The whole scene is jittering randomly a pixel or 2. It's a bit nauseating. However, it does not do this at all in the tracking station. I switched to SMAA and the map view is OK now.

I found that under Long Distance Terrain Shadows changing the 3 Shadow Cascade Splits settings from 0.015 to 0 pushed the shadow transitions out to farther distances which I prefer. With 0.015 settings, the closest and 2nd levels happen within the normal view distance of a ship and the abrupt edge between sharp and blurry shadows is distracting.

Is certainly nice that all of these options are available to experiment with.

KSP 1.12.3, scatterer 834. I've got a GTX1060 with a 1920x1200 screen.

On 4/9/2022 at 3:06 PM, Agustin said:

I think the last update made the menus in the space center to shake. At least in my configuration.

I also saw the flag flickering and in map view things shaked too.

Reverting to previous version fixed all that.

Please read a few posts/pages back before reporting an issue that's already reported.

BTAxis · April 12, 2022

Just chiming in to say that I also have the flag flickering. On top of that, I noticed black flickering on the inside of hot Restock engine bells. As for others, turning off TAA resolved this for me.

Krazy1 · April 16, 2022

I'm having an issue with scatterer not loading all the settings from the config.cfg file. The changes I made are being saved correctly in the config.cfg but they don't all get loaded after restarting KSP. Specifically: ocean underwater caustics, ocean sky reflections and long distance shadows. I have to enable them manually every time I launch KSP. Here's my CFG file. The CFG path is default, gamedata\scatterer\config.

I removed scatter and purged contents in KCAN and redownloaded - same behavior.

Steps: Do not open the KSC blue circle icon, use KAC to "jump to ship", then ESC to go back to KSC, then open the blue circle icon and check the 3 settings above. (maybe switching to a ship isn't needed; just what I did)

I also see an EXC in the KSP log when the blue circle icon is clicked.

Spoiler

[LOG 23:28:15.571] [UIMasterController]: ShowUI
[EXC 23:28:18.121] ArgumentException: Getting control 3's position in a group with only 3 controls when doing repaint
Aborting
   UnityEngine.GUILayoutGroup.GetNext () (at <58f888e0d56a4620958c8e58a768c70d>:0)
   UnityEngine.GUILayoutUtility.BeginLayoutGroup (UnityEngine.GUIStyle style, UnityEngine.GUILayoutOption[] options, System.Type layoutType) (at <58f888e0d56a4620958c8e58a768c70d>:0)
   UnityEngine.GUILayout.BeginVertical (UnityEngine.GUIContent content, UnityEngine.GUIStyle style, UnityEngine.GUILayoutOption[] options) (at <58f888e0d56a4620958c8e58a768c70d>:0)
   UnityEngine.GUILayout.BeginVertical (UnityEngine.GUILayoutOption[] options) (at <58f888e0d56a4620958c8e58a768c70d>:0)
   scatterer.MainOptionsGUI.DrawQualityPresets () (at <cfffef0e458b4b3d87698d7c7f3ab260>:0)
   scatterer.MainOptionsGUI.DrawOptionsMenu () (at <cfffef0e458b4b3d87698d7c7f3ab260>:0)
   scatterer.GUIhandler.DrawScattererWindow (System.Int32 windowId) (at <cfffef0e458b4b3d87698d7c7f3ab260>:0)
   UnityEngine.GUILayout+LayoutedWindow.DoWindow (System.Int32 windowID) (at <58f888e0d56a4620958c8e58a768c70d>:0)
   UnityEngine.GUI.CallWindowDelegate (UnityEngine.GUI+WindowFunction func, System.Int32 id, System.Int32 instanceID, UnityEngine.GUISkin _skin, System.Int32 forceRect, System.Single width, System.Single height, UnityEngine.GUIStyle style) (at <58f888e0d56a4620958c8e58a768c70d>:0)
   UnityEngine.DebugLogHandler:LogException(Exception, Object)
   ModuleManager.UnityLogHandle.InterceptLogHandler:LogException(Exception, Object)
   UnityEngine.Debug:CallOverridenDebugHandler(Exception, Object)

It's not the only EXC though and I have a lot of mods installed.

Forgot to get Player.log. Let me know if that helps.

blackrack · April 16, 2022

1 hour ago, Krazy1 said:

I'm having an issue with scatterer not loading all the settings from the config.cfg file. The changes I made are being saved correctly in the config.cfg but they don't all get loaded after restarting KSP. Specifically: ocean underwater caustics, ocean sky reflections and long distance shadows. I have to enable them manually every time I launch KSP. Here's my CFG file. The CFG path is default, gamedata\scatterer\config.

I removed scatter and purged contents in KCAN and redownloaded - same behavior.

Steps: Do not open the KSC blue circle icon, use KAC to "jump to ship", then ESC to go back to KSC, then open the blue circle icon and check the 3 settings above. (maybe switching to a ship isn't needed; just what I did)

I also see an EXC in the KSP log when the blue circle icon is clicked.

Hide contents

[LOG 23:28:15.571] [UIMasterController]: ShowUI
[EXC 23:28:18.121] ArgumentException: Getting control 3's position in a group with only 3 controls when doing repaint
Aborting
   UnityEngine.GUILayoutGroup.GetNext () (at <58f888e0d56a4620958c8e58a768c70d>:0)
   UnityEngine.GUILayoutUtility.BeginLayoutGroup (UnityEngine.GUIStyle style, UnityEngine.GUILayoutOption[] options, System.Type layoutType) (at <58f888e0d56a4620958c8e58a768c70d>:0)
   UnityEngine.GUILayout.BeginVertical (UnityEngine.GUIContent content, UnityEngine.GUIStyle style, UnityEngine.GUILayoutOption[] options) (at <58f888e0d56a4620958c8e58a768c70d>:0)
   UnityEngine.GUILayout.BeginVertical (UnityEngine.GUILayoutOption[] options) (at <58f888e0d56a4620958c8e58a768c70d>:0)
   scatterer.MainOptionsGUI.DrawQualityPresets () (at <cfffef0e458b4b3d87698d7c7f3ab260>:0)
   scatterer.MainOptionsGUI.DrawOptionsMenu () (at <cfffef0e458b4b3d87698d7c7f3ab260>:0)
   scatterer.GUIhandler.DrawScattererWindow (System.Int32 windowId) (at <cfffef0e458b4b3d87698d7c7f3ab260>:0)
   UnityEngine.GUILayout+LayoutedWindow.DoWindow (System.Int32 windowID) (at <58f888e0d56a4620958c8e58a768c70d>:0)
   UnityEngine.GUI.CallWindowDelegate (UnityEngine.GUI+WindowFunction func, System.Int32 id, System.Int32 instanceID, UnityEngine.GUISkin _skin, System.Int32 forceRect, System.Single width, System.Single height, UnityEngine.GUIStyle style) (at <58f888e0d56a4620958c8e58a768c70d>:0)
   UnityEngine.DebugLogHandler:LogException(Exception, Object)
   ModuleManager.UnityLogHandle.InterceptLogHandler:LogException(Exception, Object)
   UnityEngine.Debug:CallOverridenDebugHandler(Exception, Object)

It's not the only EXC though and I have a lot of mods installed.

Forgot to get Player.log. Let me know if that helps.

I think this is your culprit

[LOG 23:20:15.562] Applying update Spectra/Spectra_scatterer/Scatterer_Settings/@Scatterer_config:AFTER[scatterer] to Scatterer/config/config.cfg/Scatterer_config

Krazy1 · April 16, 2022

11 hours ago, blackrack said:

I think this is your culprit

All the settings worked when I removed Spectra. Thanks.

blackrack · April 22, 2022

Just pushed a small fix to a TAA smearing issue that affects Waterfall plumes when using Tufx HDR.

Benzo Kerman · April 22, 2022

1 hour ago, blackrack said:

Just pushed a small fix to a TAA smearing issue that affects Waterfall plumes when using Tufx HDR.

Did you get the issue fixed where TAA is disabled when switching to map view with TUFX?

blackrack · April 22, 2022

2 hours ago, Benzo Kerman said:

Did you get the issue fixed where TAA is disabled when switching to map view with TUFX?

Nope, haven't looked into it yet.

MoeKitsune · April 23, 2022

Anyone know of a sunflare for stock systems that work with the latest version of scatterer?

[WIP][1.9.x-1.12.x] Scatterer-atmospheric scattering (0.0838 - 14/08/2022) Scattering improvements, in-game atmo generation and multi-sun support

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