[1.12.5] Bluedog Design Bureau - Stockalike Saturn, Apollo, and more! (v1.14.0 "металл" 30/Sep/2024)

[Zorg]

6 minutes ago, bigyihsuan said:

I got the film-return contract that follows the Keyhole/Spyglass missions and I've been having trouble getting the results from the camera experiment into the sample return capsule without a Kerbal.

I saw that there was a "Collect All" action in action groups for the return capsule, so I set it. But, when I used it, it didn't work. I did the following:

1. Launch the thing into orbit.
2. Run the camera experiment.
3. Press action group 1 to "Collect All".
4. Expected: The return capsule should have the results from the camera inside.
5. Actual: Nothing happens.

Is there something wrong going on here?

I've had reports of this not working for some people, but in my test install this is working fine so i suspect there's some mod that interferes. Could you provide a mod list?

[Jcking]

2 hours ago, Zorg said:

Didnt have time to test extensively but I believe the payload should be appropriately shielded now. Please see if performance is ok.

I am pleased to report that the vehicle performed exceptionally, exceeding the variant shielded with the fairing inside the SLA with 300 m/s more remaining in the S-IVC.

Edited April 25, 2022 by Jcking

[bigyihsuan]

21 minutes ago, Zorg said:

I've had reports of this not working for some people, but in my test install this is working fine so i suspect there's some mod that interferes. Could you provide a mod list?

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Edited April 25, 2022 by bigyihsuan

[Zorg]

3 minutes ago, Jcking said:

I am pleased to report that the vehicle performed exceptionally, exceeding the variant shielded with the fairing inside with 300 m/s more remaining in the S-IVC.

I should probably get rid of the custom drag cube or at least increase the area back to closer to the default values since that wasnt the cause in the end

4 minutes ago, bigyihsuan said:

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Could you see if removing x-science and launching a fresh craft works?

[GoldForest]

5 minutes ago, Jcking said:

I am pleased to report that the vehicle performed exceptionally, exceeding the variant shielded with the fairing inside with 300 m/s more remaining in the S-IVC.

Hmm, I did a test flight last night with the not patched git, and was able to get to 150 x 150km with about a 1000 m/s give or take 100 m/s in the S-IVC. 

Are you playing on RSS or larger than 2.5x system?

Edit: Or did you mean 300 more than last flight? 

Edited April 25, 2022 by GoldForest

[Jcking]

8 minutes ago, GoldForest said:

Hmm, I did a test flight last night with the not patched git, and was able to get to 150 x 150km with about a 1000 m/s give or take 100 m/s in the S-IVC. 

Are you playing on RSS or larger than 2.5x system?

2.7 scale system with a 38.8 ton lander 8.2 meters height, 6.3 meters diameter plus block V for payload, which was within the margins set by a successful test with a block V and a 39.5 ton ore container as payload.

Edited April 25, 2022 by Jcking

[GoldForest]

13 minutes ago, Jcking said:

2.7 scale system with a 38.8 ton lander 8.2 meters height, 6.3 meters diameter plus block V for payload, which was within the margins set by a successful test with a block V and a 39.5 ton ore container as payload.

Ah, so you meant 300 m/s more than last test? 

Also, custom lander or Artemis/Altair?

[Zorg]

14 minutes ago, GoldForest said:

Ah, so you meant 300 m/s more than last test? 

Also, custom lander or Artemis/Altair?

these exact details dont really matter to me so long as there isnt payload induced drag anymore. Ive pushed a new commit just now with a less silly drag cube for the H03 SLA and also the same fix for the regular jettison SLA and 4.25m straight SLA panels. The fix ultimately was to put a cargobay module on the panels themselves as the one on the base somehow wasnt working as intended.

Edited April 25, 2022 by Zorg

[DaOPCreeper]

Also the new Apollo casuals no longer work with comfortable landing. When i right click on it during re-entry there is no longer an "activate pre -landing mode" option. Im not sure if this is something you need to do on your rend, or something on their end so if its on their end let me know and i can the dev  of the mod 

[Zorg]

4 minutes ago, DaOPCreeper said:

Also the new Apollo casuals no longer work with comfortable landing. When i right click on it during re-entry there is no longer an "activate pre -landing mode" option. Im not sure if this is something you need to do on your rend, or something on their end so if its on their end let me know and i can the dev  of the mod 

Compatibility is provided by CL so you you need to contact them.

[somnambulist]

3 hours ago, Zorg said:

Could you see if removing x-science and launching a fresh craft works?

In my experience x-science doesn't break the collect experiment function. But using its Science Here-and-Now window to run experiments can break things if the part uses `DMModuleScienceAnimateGeneric` instead of `ModuleScienceExperiment` (like the BDB cameras) resulting in no valid science being logged in the first place. If that's the case here it's best to run all experiments manually and *only* rely on x-science for notifications and tracking. 

Details here from last year — 

 

Edited April 25, 2022 by somnambulist
Clarity and fix phone typing

[Shlyopa]

T H I C C

 

[Doc Shaftoe]

3 hours ago, Shlyopa said:

T H I C C

This makes me deeply uncomfortable.

[CobaltWolf]

Not sure how long I'll be going for, but I'm streaming more work on the LM variants.

[Yuriy Istochnikov]

On 4/23/2022 at 12:40 PM, Zorg said:

The Skylab Teleoperator Retreival System is now on github in an early alpha state. Consists of a probe core (with 6 axis attitude control), optional solar panels, and independent prolusion kits each of which contains a large store of monopropellant and 8 thrusters (this works as an engine not RCS). 

Theres also a camera (with light), some separate lights, and an omni antenna (attached to the propulsion kit here).

Little 0.3125m docking ports for probes. The top node of the probe core can be switched from the 0.625m point (for the apollo port) to this flat end like below.

FINALLY

A squared satellite bus for BDB

On 4/20/2022 at 3:11 PM, Kuiper_Belt said:

Modular Skylab

I think its beautifully cursed! 

Can't wait to send the Shuttles to Skylab with that bad boy! Those parts are beautiful! Fantastic work as always!

An OPSEK/Tiangong in steroids. Very nice

[pTrevTrevs]

1974 in Spaceflight: Miscellaneous Orbital Launches:

June 1974: Mariner 10 makes its second flyby of the planet Mercury. Having already corrected its trajectory to be coplanar with Mercury's orbit, this second encounter can make a much closer approach to the planet, skimming a mere 40km above the southern hemisphere...

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At least one more flyby is expected before the spacecraft's maneuvering fuel is depleted, with the possibility of a fourth sometime next year.

 

July: Helios-A launches aboard the first Titan IIIE/Centaur. Launch goes well, proving the new launch vehicle's capabilities, unfortunately a hardware failure on the spacecraft crippled its electrical system and left Helios with a critical power shortage. This effectively doomed the mission. Close-up studies of the Sun will have to wait for Helios-B's launch...

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July: Commercial contract satellite launched to HEO on Delta 2000:

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September: Seasat launches from Vandenberg AFB on a modified Atlas E/F. I don't care that I'm a couple years early, I wanted to do it now.

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September: Westar 1 launches to GEO, on another Delta 2000:

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In other news, Skylab 3 has been onboard the station during the last two months, but I'll save that for a dedicated post.

[bigyihsuan]

7 hours ago, somnambulist said:

In my experience x-science doesn't break the collect experiment function. But using its Science Here-and-Now window to run experiments can break things if the part uses `DMModuleScienceAnimateGeneric` instead of `ModuleScienceExperiment` (like the BDB cameras) resulting in no valid science being logged in the first place. If that's the case here it's best to run all experiments manually and *only* rely on x-science for notifications and tracking. 

Details here from last year — 

 

Hm. Good to know! Thanks!

[GoldForest]

@Zorg Will you be adding the 25kw radiator, or no? 

[shakuvendell]

So, if I wanna make the Skylab meteorite shield bust the solar panel on it's own as it ejects, is there a way I can do that?

[GoldForest]

5 minutes ago, shakuvendell said:

So, if I wanna make the Skylab meteorite shield bust the solar panel on it's own as it ejects, is there a way I can do that?

No. You either need to add a decoupler to the solar panel or open it during launch. It will break off once the Saturn V reaches between 250 to 350 m/s. 

And IRL it wasn't the meteorite shield that broke the solar panel off, it was the S-II interstage's retro rockets firing, IIRC. 

Edited April 26, 2022 by GoldForest

[shakuvendell]

7 minutes ago, GoldForest said:

No. You either need to add a decoupler to the solar panel or open it during launch. It will break off once the Saturn V reaches between 250 to 350 m/s. 

And IRL it wasn't the meteorite shield that broke the solar panel off, it was the S-II interstage's retro rockets firing, IIRC. 

Really? Curious... Did it get caught in the rocket blast?

[GoldForest]

3 minutes ago, shakuvendell said:

Really? Curious... Did it get caught in the rocket blast?

Yeah, it did.  Also, I should say that the MS did loosen the solar array but didn't tear it off. The blast from the retros is what sheared it off. There's no real way to simulate this in KSP, so you're left with one of two options:
1) Add a small decoupler to the Solar Array and detach it at S-II sep
2) Open it during lift off. Yes, lift off. If you open it later, the atmospheric/wind forces aren't enough to rip it off.

[Zorg]

5 hours ago, GoldForest said:

@Zorg Will you be adding the 25kw radiator, or no? 

Its planned but not sure when. It was optional by the time of the later designs for the PT and I dont think it was to be used on skylab. But anyway yeah I will make one eventually.

2 hours ago, shakuvendell said:

So, if I wanna make the Skylab meteorite shield bust the solar panel on it's own as it ejects, is there a way I can do that?

I did try to add a cheeky collider to the left side of the shield but apparently for this kind of object self collisions dont happen during deploy. Oh well. You need to find another solution as suggested above.

Edited April 26, 2022 by Zorg

[GoldForest]

4 minutes ago, Zorg said:

Its planned but not sure when. It was optional by the time of the later designs for the PT and I dont think it was to be used on skylab. But anyway yeah I will make one eventually.

I did try to add a cheeky collider to the left side of the shield but apparently for this kind of object self collisions dont happen during deploy. Oh well. You need to find another solution as suggested above.

Awesome. 

As for the Solar Array pop off, would it be possible to make an in-flight part switch giving us the ability to switch to just the attachment joint?  Kind of like how Tundra's Falcon 9 has texture switching in-flight. Furthermore, would it be possible to have it stageable that way we can trigger it with the S-II separation?

[Zorg]

30 minutes ago, GoldForest said:

Awesome. 

As for the Solar Array pop off, would it be possible to make an in-flight part switch giving us the ability to switch to just the attachment joint?  Kind of like how Tundra's Falcon 9 has texture switching in-flight. Furthermore, would it be possible to have it stageable that way we can trigger it with the S-II separation?

Nah Im going to leave failures up to the players imagination to figure out  

Edited April 26, 2022 by Zorg