Zorg Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, Galileo chiu said: If Blue Origin built New Shepard in 1990 Will we ever see things from For All Mankind? 3 hours ago, SpaceFace545 said: Lmao Its already been stated that FAM stuff is highly unlikely. I do believe that cobalt just doesn’t like the show, can’t blame him. I personally mostly enjoyed the show for what it was (s1 at least), a Ronald D Moore show about social issues with some space related set dressing But regardless of what one may think about the quality of the show, the thing is that there are a lot of real world whacky advanced apollo/saturn/skylab stuff we could be (and we are) doing as opposed to stuff from FAM which ultimately does not even turn out to even work once we look at it critically in terms of balancing etc. Again I never expected that level of fidelity from a tv show like that but we do for BDB. Edited November 14, 2021 by Zorg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derega16 Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 Or this, https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/2001-a-space-time-odyssey-version-2.347087/ The exact same plot as FAM but make infinitely more sense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galileo chiu Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 what about more Alt-History rocket parts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teslamax Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 On 11/3/2021 at 6:01 PM, Kuiper_Belt said: The quality of work you guys have done in this revamp is simply stunning! Thank you for all the love and passion you put into this wonderful mod! I don't see a Power Module... ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pTrevTrevs Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 While it’s on my mind, I’ve got a quick question about the later Deltas. I know on Delta II flights with nine boosters, only six were lit on the ground the other three were air-started. I’m wondering when this profile started to see use. Was it a standard procedure as early as the Super Six and the Delta 900 or was it only introduced later once more powerful Castors and GEMs entered service? Kind of racking my brain over this, since I’m starting to fly Delta 0100s and I’m too much of a pedant for authenticity to let this slide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galileo chiu Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 17 minutes ago, Teslamax said: I don't see a Power Module... ;-) What? 14 minutes ago, pTrevTrevs said: While it’s on my mind, I’ve got a quick question about the later Deltas. I know on Delta II flights with nine boosters, only six were lit on the ground the other three were air-started. I’m wondering when this profile started to see use. Was it a standard procedure as early as the Super Six and the Delta 900 or was it only introduced later once more powerful Castors and GEMs entered service? Kind of racking my brain over this, since I’m starting to fly Delta 0100s and I’m too much of a pedant for authenticity to let this slide. Search it on google, use Wikipedia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Invaderchaos Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 (edited) I've been making progress on cleaning up a lot of the textures for Titan. I did most of the legwork the last time I touched up the titan textures (several months ago) but I am finishing off some things I didn't get around to last time (especially the UA120 motors and titan IV): I also redid the Titan 23G/IIIB structural piece and 23G second stage texture: I’m proud of how the 23G adapter turned out and I think it really goes well with the new 23G second stage texture. Always happy to do stuff for 23G as it’s one of the most underrated/coolest Titans imo. Edited November 14, 2021 by Invaderchaos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorg Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, Galileo chiu said: What? 25Kw power tower addition if they had been able to perform the Skylab reboost. I am planning to make this for the second phase of skylab stuff. 5 hours ago, pTrevTrevs said: While it’s on my mind, I’ve got a quick question about the later Deltas. I know on Delta II flights with nine boosters, only six were lit on the ground the other three were air-started. I’m wondering when this profile started to see use. Was it a standard procedure as early as the Super Six and the Delta 900 or was it only introduced later once more powerful Castors and GEMs entered service? Kind of racking my brain over this, since I’m starting to fly Delta 0100s and I’m too much of a pedant for authenticity to let this slide. Would suggest looking here: https://www.spacelaunchreport.com/thorflew.html Edited November 14, 2021 by Zorg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galileo chiu Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 14 minutes ago, Zorg said: 25Kw power tower addition if they had been able to perform the Skylab reboost. I am planning to make this for the second phase of skylab stuff. Would suggest looking here: https://www.spacelaunchreport.com/thorflew.html I would love to see that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam-Kerman Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galileo chiu Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 2 minutes ago, Adam-Kerman said: Do you think a S-I C boosted version of that would work? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballisticfox0 Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 Atlas! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam-Kerman Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 2 minutes ago, ballisticfox0 said: Atlas! Atlas! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cdodders Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 9 hours ago, birdog357 said: Are we just gonna gloss over space shuttles to the moon? Never seen it, but have read synopsis. Pretty sure I recall they took Columbia, the heaviest of the birds, to the moon? From what I could tell, they tried to make it out that the Shuttle refuelled at Skylab. So they tried to make it work and ended up with more issues Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaintedLion Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 21 minutes ago, Adam-Kerman said: Atlas! someone say... ATLAS?! 11 minutes ago, Cdodders said: From what I could tell, they tried to make it out that the Shuttle refuelled at Skylab. So they tried to make it work and ended up with more issues What would have worked better was if the shuttle took them to some sort of nuclear orbital craft that took them to the moon, like the original Space Transportation System concept. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beccab Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 17 minutes ago, TaintedLion said: someone say... ATLAS?! What would have worked better was if the shuttle took them to some sort of nuclear orbital craft that took them to the moon, like the original Space Transportation System concept. No need for nuclear, normal space tugs work just fine. For example Early Lunar Access (lunar lander on Shuttle, TLI stage on a Titan): Space Exploration Initiative: Cool Orbital Transfer Vehicles with the same purpose that I forgot the origin of: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jcking Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 But the RNS is cool Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billbobjebkirk Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 10 hours ago, Beccab said: I believe in Season 2 they were just trying too hard not to be another Apollo program alternate history and budgetary restrictions made them to use the Shuttle for as much stock footage as possible. I loved season 1 though I think they just used the TTL shuttle design as an iconic thing that viewers would recognize, rather than because it made sense. Maybe some concept artist was showing off pictures of the DC-3 anf some non-technical person said "but that doesn't look like the shuttle!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimmas Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 17 minutes ago, billbobjebkirk said: I think they just used the TTL shuttle design as an iconic thing that viewers would recognize, rather than because it made sense. Maybe some concept artist was showing off pictures of the DC-3 anf some non-technical person said "but that doesn't look like the shuttle!" This is fairly off-topic now but the reason they used the shuttle (according to Moore himself) was because it was going to be either a) reuse the existing shuttle set and stock shuttle footage to cut costs or b) design a completely new vehicle and massively cut back on other parts of the show like the moon base set. It was a budget thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beccab Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Grimmas said: This is fairly off-topic now but the reason they used the shuttle (according to Moore himself) was because it was going to be either a) reuse the existing shuttle set and stock shuttle footage to cut costs or b) design a completely new vehicle and massively cut back on other parts of the show like the moon base set. It was a budget thing. Agreed, that's why personally I'm not too critical of the shuttle to the moon (they should have kept the ET though, there was a NASA study on that exact architecture. It was found to be a poor choice, but doable). Pathfinder, though... It's fine to hand wave something, it's a TV show. But this one handwaved: - Pathfinder having enough fuel to reach orbit, let alone the moon - Pathfinder having enough thrust to reach orbit from a plane - the reason Pathfinder has those jet engines, given they are never used during liftoff and redundant during landing - not just putting nuclear engines on a crewed shuttle (which is fine ish), but also landing them on earth with the crew and reusing them despite the radiations You want a plane launched nuclear space shuttle? Sure, handwave the last thing, add drop tanks and replace the jet engines with stuff that has a decent thrust. Then use the NERVA in orbit Edited November 14, 2021 by Beccab Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starhelperdude Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 1 hour ago, Beccab said: - the reason Pathfinder has those jet engines, given they are never used during liftoff and redundant during landing Buran wants to know your location Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beccab Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 23 minutes ago, Starhelperdude said: Buran wants to know your location It never flew with jet engines, only the atmospheric one had them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TruthfulGnome Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 (edited) Based on this Edited November 14, 2021 by TruthfulGnome Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jcking Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 Turns out that the 400k lbs thrust version of the J-2T gives a substantial improvement for INT-17 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pTrevTrevs Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 (edited) 8 hours ago, TaintedLion said: someone say... ATLAS?! What would have worked better was if the shuttle took them to some sort of nuclear orbital craft that took them to the moon, like the original Space Transportation System concept. Or they could have gone balls to the wall and used a Saturn-Shuttle with an S-II stage. Would have loved to see that kind of insanity. Edited November 14, 2021 by pTrevTrevs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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