winged Posted November 5, 2016 Share Posted November 5, 2016 On 11/5/2016 at 5:38 AM, CobaltWolf said: IThis album by reddit user Winged_7 should give you an idea of the scale: http://imgur.com/a/fwFcg Expand I have forum account as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CobaltWolf Posted November 5, 2016 Author Share Posted November 5, 2016 On 11/5/2016 at 5:48 AM, legoclone09 said: And @winged has a video on his channel Expand On 11/5/2016 at 2:09 PM, winged said: I have forum account as well. Expand Eh, it was 2 AM and was barely coherent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legoclone09 Posted November 5, 2016 Share Posted November 5, 2016 On 11/5/2016 at 3:24 PM, CobaltWolf said: Eh, it was 2 AM and was barely coherent. Expand You were coherent at 1 AM on the stream last night, why not an hour later? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CobaltWolf Posted November 5, 2016 Author Share Posted November 5, 2016 On 11/5/2016 at 3:27 PM, legoclone09 said: You were coherent at 1 AM on the stream last night, why not an hour later? Expand I had another beer and took a melatonin between those times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wahgineer Posted November 5, 2016 Share Posted November 5, 2016 @CobaltWolf, there really isnt that much you'd have to do to incorporate Mars mission proposals. All you'd have to make are: The Mars Excursion Module (that big cone shape lander that looks like a biggy-sized Apollo CM) NERVA (that is, your own interpretation of it. You could always be lazy and just add LH2 configs for the Nerv ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CobaltWolf Posted November 5, 2016 Author Share Posted November 5, 2016 On 11/5/2016 at 6:59 PM, awsumindyman said: @CobaltWolf, there really isnt that much you'd have to do to incorporate Mars mission proposals. All you'd have to make are: The Mars Excursion Module (that big cone shape lander that looks like a biggy-sized Apollo CM) NERVA (that is, your own interpretation of it. You could always be lazy and just add LH2 configs for the Nerv ) Expand There's some stuff. Making sure that there are structural/habitable parts to make the geometry line up, massive docking ports to hold it all together, probably some unique dedicated radiators, some massive communications dishes... Since the stock NERVA is, well, NERVA, I decided that any nuclear engines I do would probably be based on Timberwinds - perhaps two both the large / small variants. I haven't really given thought to the MEM but I might explore alternate configurations to see if I can find something cooler. Also, while I want Ares to be buildable, it's not going to be the only configuration that's possible... There are plenty that I can explore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kerbal01 Posted November 5, 2016 Share Posted November 5, 2016 the apollo passive and active ports arent latching. also get structrual failures inbetween the engine mount and tank on S-IC with autostrut and rigid attach on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CobaltWolf Posted November 5, 2016 Author Share Posted November 5, 2016 On 11/5/2016 at 7:34 PM, DarthVader said: the apollo passive and active ports arent latching. also get structrual failures inbetween the engine mount and tank on S-IC with autostrut and rigid attach on. Expand Are you sure there isn't still some stock bug preventing them from working properly? Last couple times I tried to dock I had to F5/F9 to get them to work which makes it not my problem. And perhaps don't use rigid attach? You shouldn't be using it on Saturn V, it makes things LESS strong. Or save yourself some time and just install KJR... unless you're strange and like having to go through and manually auto strut everything to everything else... either way you get the same result... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PickledTripod Posted November 5, 2016 Share Posted November 5, 2016 On 11/5/2016 at 7:02 PM, CobaltWolf said: There's some stuff. Making sure that there are structural/habitable parts to make the geometry line up, massive docking ports to hold it all together, probably some unique dedicated radiators, some massive communications dishes... Expand You could just recommend using Nertea's Kerbal Atomics and Near Future Tech for most of that stuff, just like how you tell people who want Russian rockets to check out Tantares. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billbobjebkirk Posted November 5, 2016 Share Posted November 5, 2016 On 11/5/2016 at 2:09 PM, winged said: I have forum account as well. Expand Your channel looks really cool, reminds me a lot of Chrispbacon82 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legoclone09 Posted November 5, 2016 Share Posted November 5, 2016 (edited) I'm streaming right now so you all can see me rage at Skylab. Fun times. https://www.twitch.tv/legoclone09 matoroSalt = true isStream = false Edited November 5, 2016 by legoclone09 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wahgineer Posted November 5, 2016 Share Posted November 5, 2016 @CobaltWolf, I was just covering Ares stuff, since when you consider what we have, what is coming, and what is planned, that is the configuration we can acheive first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jso Posted November 5, 2016 Share Posted November 5, 2016 On 11/5/2016 at 7:34 PM, DarthVader said: the apollo passive and active ports arent latching. also get structrual failures inbetween the engine mount and tank on S-IC with autostrut and rigid attach on. Expand I autostrut to heaviest part the LES, SM tank, S-IVB tank, and S-II tank. Nothing else. Never have problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kerbal01 Posted November 6, 2016 Share Posted November 6, 2016 On 11/5/2016 at 10:33 PM, Jso said: I autostrut to heaviest part the LES, SM tank, S-IVB tank, and S-II tank. Nothing else. Never have problems. Expand That might be my problem, I autostrutted every part to heaviest part and rigid attached everything. Solid as a rock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drakenex Posted November 6, 2016 Share Posted November 6, 2016 On 11/6/2016 at 1:42 PM, DarthVader said: That might be my problem, I autostrutted every part to heaviest part and rigid attached everything. Solid as a rock Expand no, that doesn't work that way, not all parts are stressed the same way, it's like @Jso said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxxonius Augustus Posted November 6, 2016 Share Posted November 6, 2016 On 11/6/2016 at 4:00 PM, Drakenex said: no, that doesn't work that way, not all parts are stressed the same way, it's like @Jso said. Expand Then how does it work? I too auto strut every part to root and root part to heaviest, then set every thing to rigid attach. I do that with every rocket now and it seems to work well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CobaltWolf Posted November 6, 2016 Author Share Posted November 6, 2016 Or you could just, y'know, use KJR and save yourselves the time if you're going to autostrut everything anyways... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbodiah Posted November 6, 2016 Share Posted November 6, 2016 (edited) Cobalt, how about a set of floaters and balloons for the Apollo capsule? Can you borrow them from FASA? click to enlarge Edited November 6, 2016 by Jimbodiah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drakenex Posted November 6, 2016 Share Posted November 6, 2016 On 11/6/2016 at 5:23 PM, CobaltWolf said: Or you could just, y'know, use KJR and save yourselves the time if you're going to autostrut everything anyways... Expand yeah, but at the moment is not compatible with Infernal Robotics. Anyway yes, is hassle free solution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NyanTurian Posted November 6, 2016 Share Posted November 6, 2016 Now that Sigma Dimensions and Kopernicus are up to date, I thought I would try Kscale64 again. It seems I have an error and I was wondering if it is necessarily important or if this mod was actual cause. From my KSP.log [LOG 14:54:40.974] [ModuleManager] Applying node Bluedog_DB/Compatibility/Rescale/64K/Saturn/@PART[bluedog_Saturn_S1C_Tankage] to Bluedog_DB/Parts/Saturn/bluedog_Saturn_S1C_Tankage/bluedog_Saturn_S1C_Tankage [LOG 14:54:41.005] [ModuleManager] Applying node Bluedog_DB/Compatibility/Rescale/64K/Saturn/@PART[bluedog_Saturn_S1_EngineMount,bluedog_Saturn_S1C_EngineMount,bluedog_Saturn_S2_EngineMount,bluedog_Saturn_S4_EngineMount,bluedog_Saturn_S4B_EngineMount] to Bluedog_DB/Parts/Saturn/bluedog_Saturn_S1C_EngineMount/bluedog_Saturn_S1C_EngineMount [LOG 14:54:41.007] [ModuleManager] Error - Cannot parse variable search when editing key mass = #$RESOURCE[LiquidFuel]/maxAmount$ [LOG 14:54:41.008] [ModuleManager] Error - Cannot parse variable search when editing key mass = #$RESOURCE[Oxidizer]/maxAmount$ [LOG 14:54:41.008] [ModuleManager] Applying node Bluedog_DB/Compatibility/Rescale/64K/Saturn/@PART[bluedog_Saturn_S1_EngineMount,bluedog_Saturn_S1C_EngineMount,bluedog_Saturn_S2_EngineMount,bluedog_Saturn_S4_EngineMount,bluedog_Saturn_S4B_EngineMount] to Bluedog_DB/Parts/Saturn/bluedog_Saturn_S1_EngineMount/bluedog_Saturn_S1_EngineMount [LOG 14:54:41.009] [ModuleManager] Error - Cannot parse variable search when editing key mass = #$RESOURCE[LiquidFuel]/maxAmount$ [LOG 14:54:41.010] [ModuleManager] Error - Cannot parse variable search when editing key mass = #$RESOURCE[Oxidizer]/maxAmount$ [LOG 14:54:41.010] [ModuleManager] Applying node Bluedog_DB/Compatibility/Rescale/64K/Saturn/@PART[bluedog_Saturn_S1_EngineMount,bluedog_Saturn_S1C_EngineMount,bluedog_Saturn_S2_EngineMount,bluedog_Saturn_S4_EngineMount,bluedog_Saturn_S4B_EngineMount] to Bluedog_DB/Parts/Saturn/bluedog_Saturn_S2_EngineMount/bluedog_Saturn_S2_EngineMount [LOG 14:54:41.011] [ModuleManager] Error - Cannot parse variable search when editing key mass = #$RESOURCE[LiquidFuel]/maxAmount$ [LOG 14:54:41.012] [ModuleManager] Error - Cannot parse variable search when editing key mass = #$RESOURCE[Oxidizer]/maxAmount$ [LOG 14:54:41.012] [ModuleManager] Applying node Bluedog_DB/Compatibility/Rescale/64K/Saturn/@PART[bluedog_Saturn_S1_EngineMount,bluedog_Saturn_S1C_EngineMount,bluedog_Saturn_S2_EngineMount,bluedog_Saturn_S4_EngineMount,bluedog_Saturn_S4B_EngineMount] to Bluedog_DB/Parts/Saturn/bluedog_Saturn_S4B_EngineMount/bluedog_Saturn_S4B_EngineMount [LOG 14:54:41.013] [ModuleManager] Error - Cannot parse variable search when editing key mass = #$RESOURCE[LiquidFuel]/maxAmount$ [LOG 14:54:41.014] [ModuleManager] Error - Cannot parse variable search when editing key mass = #$RESOURCE[Oxidizer]/maxAmount$ [LOG 14:54:41.014] [ModuleManager] Applying node Bluedog_DB/Compatibility/Rescale/64K/Saturn/@PART[bluedog_Saturn_S1_EngineMount,bluedog_Saturn_S1C_EngineMount,bluedog_Saturn_S2_EngineMount,bluedog_Saturn_S4_EngineMount,bluedog_Saturn_S4B_EngineMount] to Bluedog_DB/Parts/Saturn/bluedog_Saturn_S4_EngineMount/bluedog_Saturn_S4_EngineMount [LOG 14:54:41.015] [ModuleManager] Error - Cannot parse variable search when editing key mass = #$RESOURCE[LiquidFuel]/maxAmount$ [LOG 14:54:41.016] [ModuleManager] Error - Cannot parse variable search when editing key mass = #$RESOURCE[Oxidizer]/maxAmount$ [LOG 14:54:41.031] [ModuleManager] Applying node Bluedog_DB/Compatibility/Rescale/64K/Solids/@PART[bluedog_Delta_GEM*,bluedog_Diamant_*,bluedog_castorSRB,bluedog_alcyone,bluedog_Castor*,bluedog_star*,bluedog_Soltan_*,bluedog_Titan_SRB*]:HAS[@RESOURCE[SolidFuel]] to Bluedog_DB/Parts/Delta/bluedog_Delta_GEM40/bluedog_Delta_GEM40 Any ideas? Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minepagan Posted November 6, 2016 Share Posted November 6, 2016 On 11/6/2016 at 8:09 PM, NyanTurian said: Now that Sigma Dimensions and Kopernicus are up to date, I thought I would try Kscale64 again. It seems I have an error and I was wondering if it is necessarily important or if this mod was actual cause. From my KSP.log [LOG 14:54:40.974] [ModuleManager] Applying node Bluedog_DB/Compatibility/Rescale/64K/Saturn/@PART[bluedog_Saturn_S1C_Tankage] to Bluedog_DB/Parts/Saturn/bluedog_Saturn_S1C_Tankage/bluedog_Saturn_S1C_Tankage [LOG 14:54:41.005] [ModuleManager] Applying node Bluedog_DB/Compatibility/Rescale/64K/Saturn/@PART[bluedog_Saturn_S1_EngineMount,bluedog_Saturn_S1C_EngineMount,bluedog_Saturn_S2_EngineMount,bluedog_Saturn_S4_EngineMount,bluedog_Saturn_S4B_EngineMount] to Bluedog_DB/Parts/Saturn/bluedog_Saturn_S1C_EngineMount/bluedog_Saturn_S1C_EngineMount [LOG 14:54:41.007] [ModuleManager] Error - Cannot parse variable search when editing key mass = #$RESOURCE[LiquidFuel]/maxAmount$ [LOG 14:54:41.008] [ModuleManager] Error - Cannot parse variable search when editing key mass = #$RESOURCE[Oxidizer]/maxAmount$ [LOG 14:54:41.008] [ModuleManager] Applying node Bluedog_DB/Compatibility/Rescale/64K/Saturn/@PART[bluedog_Saturn_S1_EngineMount,bluedog_Saturn_S1C_EngineMount,bluedog_Saturn_S2_EngineMount,bluedog_Saturn_S4_EngineMount,bluedog_Saturn_S4B_EngineMount] to Bluedog_DB/Parts/Saturn/bluedog_Saturn_S1_EngineMount/bluedog_Saturn_S1_EngineMount [LOG 14:54:41.009] [ModuleManager] Error - Cannot parse variable search when editing key mass = #$RESOURCE[LiquidFuel]/maxAmount$ [LOG 14:54:41.010] [ModuleManager] Error - Cannot parse variable search when editing key mass = #$RESOURCE[Oxidizer]/maxAmount$ [LOG 14:54:41.010] [ModuleManager] Applying node Bluedog_DB/Compatibility/Rescale/64K/Saturn/@PART[bluedog_Saturn_S1_EngineMount,bluedog_Saturn_S1C_EngineMount,bluedog_Saturn_S2_EngineMount,bluedog_Saturn_S4_EngineMount,bluedog_Saturn_S4B_EngineMount] to Bluedog_DB/Parts/Saturn/bluedog_Saturn_S2_EngineMount/bluedog_Saturn_S2_EngineMount [LOG 14:54:41.011] [ModuleManager] Error - Cannot parse variable search when editing key mass = #$RESOURCE[LiquidFuel]/maxAmount$ [LOG 14:54:41.012] [ModuleManager] Error - Cannot parse variable search when editing key mass = #$RESOURCE[Oxidizer]/maxAmount$ [LOG 14:54:41.012] [ModuleManager] Applying node Bluedog_DB/Compatibility/Rescale/64K/Saturn/@PART[bluedog_Saturn_S1_EngineMount,bluedog_Saturn_S1C_EngineMount,bluedog_Saturn_S2_EngineMount,bluedog_Saturn_S4_EngineMount,bluedog_Saturn_S4B_EngineMount] to Bluedog_DB/Parts/Saturn/bluedog_Saturn_S4B_EngineMount/bluedog_Saturn_S4B_EngineMount [LOG 14:54:41.013] [ModuleManager] Error - Cannot parse variable search when editing key mass = #$RESOURCE[LiquidFuel]/maxAmount$ [LOG 14:54:41.014] [ModuleManager] Error - Cannot parse variable search when editing key mass = #$RESOURCE[Oxidizer]/maxAmount$ [LOG 14:54:41.014] [ModuleManager] Applying node Bluedog_DB/Compatibility/Rescale/64K/Saturn/@PART[bluedog_Saturn_S1_EngineMount,bluedog_Saturn_S1C_EngineMount,bluedog_Saturn_S2_EngineMount,bluedog_Saturn_S4_EngineMount,bluedog_Saturn_S4B_EngineMount] to Bluedog_DB/Parts/Saturn/bluedog_Saturn_S4_EngineMount/bluedog_Saturn_S4_EngineMount [LOG 14:54:41.015] [ModuleManager] Error - Cannot parse variable search when editing key mass = #$RESOURCE[LiquidFuel]/maxAmount$ [LOG 14:54:41.016] [ModuleManager] Error - Cannot parse variable search when editing key mass = #$RESOURCE[Oxidizer]/maxAmount$ [LOG 14:54:41.031] [ModuleManager] Applying node Bluedog_DB/Compatibility/Rescale/64K/Solids/@PART[bluedog_Delta_GEM*,bluedog_Diamant_*,bluedog_castorSRB,bluedog_alcyone,bluedog_Castor*,bluedog_star*,bluedog_Soltan_*,bluedog_Titan_SRB*]:HAS[@RESOURCE[SolidFuel]] to Bluedog_DB/Parts/Delta/bluedog_Delta_GEM40/bluedog_Delta_GEM40 Any ideas? Thanks Expand What seemed to be the issue? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CobaltWolf Posted November 6, 2016 Author Share Posted November 6, 2016 Tagging @Jso and @komodo, they were making those. Basically they've been working on having SMURFF-derived (stats, not the plugin) tweaks for optimal performance at various rescale sizes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jso Posted November 6, 2016 Share Posted November 6, 2016 (edited) On 11/6/2016 at 8:09 PM, NyanTurian said: Now that Sigma Dimensions and Kopernicus are up to date, I thought I would try Kscale64 again. Expand Is that from the released version or the latest from github? Edit: Just updated git to get rid of those old files - we could really use some 6.4x flight tests. Edited November 6, 2016 by Jso Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
komodo Posted November 6, 2016 Share Posted November 6, 2016 On 11/6/2016 at 9:20 PM, Jso said: Is that from the released version or the latest from github? Edit: Just updated git to get rid of those old files - we could really use some 6.4x flight tests. Expand Haven't had any troubles in 6.4x yet, barring atlas vega not having enough umph to make a Mun shot (should it?), but yeah, kill/comment out the Saturn rescale configs for the moment, they certainly aren't up to speed with the new system. (testing resumes tomorrow night for me, unfortunately, silly work and such... *grumble) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NyanTurian Posted November 6, 2016 Share Posted November 6, 2016 On 11/6/2016 at 8:38 PM, minepagan said: What seemed to be the issue? Expand The issue is that I'm not sure sure if that part is safe to use or will it affect the rest of the mod? On 11/6/2016 at 9:20 PM, Jso said: Is that from the released version or the latest from github? Edit: Just updated git to get rid of those old files - we could really use some 6.4x flight tests. Expand Yes, the latest version of Sigma Dimensions (v0.60), Kopernicus (1.2.1-1), and KScale64 v1.302. I just flew a sort of Saturn V cargo lifter version with the 5.6m parts, like how Skylab was launched. There was some interesting effects with the engine mount reported as having an error in my KSP.log. After decoupling the S-IC from the SII, the ullage fired on the S-II and the retro rockets on the engine mount. Then I noticed about 30 seconds later the S-IC had exploded with lots of debris. The g-force tolerance was exceeded on the S-IC main tank by about 1000/50g and 110/50g on the 5.6m decoupler as the in-flight log wrote. The launch was otherwise successful. What is the intended delta-v of the S-IC + S-II + S-IVB with the cargo in the fairing? I managed 7,940 m/s with 33,000 kg of cargo. The whole Saturn V system had a LEO payload capacity of well over 100,000 kg, so this seems some what low. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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