[1.7.3] Real Battery v1.7

[Blackline]

Oh, sry, didn't recognize your post here :-)

I'll hack that in later. currently I am working on a way to get my batteries to work at higher warp rates: a dynamically expanding EC buffer, you get the full credit for the idea ;-)

[Blackline]

@FreeThinker found some more datasheets: http://www.edutecnica.it/elettronica/datasheets/PASSIVI/MC_Cell_Power_BOOSTCAP_Ultracapacitors.pdf http://www.maxwell.com/images/documents/K2Series_DS_1015370_5_20141104.pdf

The 3000F one has:

• 5.52 Wh per kg
• 13800 W per kg max, 5400W continous power
• 0.55 kg mass @ 0.475 litre volume

which gives 3Wh and 8/3 kW.

For comparison, a 200kg stock "battery" has 4000kJ -> about 1.1 kWh. A 200kg supercap (with those specs) would have 1.1kWh as well. So now we know where SQUAD got the specs from ;-)

Edited November 25, 2016 by Blackline

[FreeThinker]

22 minutes ago, Blackline said:

@FreeThinker found some more datasheets: http://www.edutecnica.it/elettronica/datasheets/PASSIVI/MC_Cell_Power_BOOSTCAP_Ultracapacitors.pdf http://www.maxwell.com/images/documents/K2Series_DS_1015370_5_20141104.pdf

The 3000F one has:

• 5.52 Wh per kg
• 13800 W per kg max, 5400W continous power
• 0.55 kg mass @ 0.475 litre volume

which gives 3Wh and 8/3 kW.

For comparison, a 200kg stock "battery" has 4000kJ -> about 1.1 kWh. A 200kg supercap (with those specs) would have 1.1kWh as well. So now we know where SQUAD got the specs from ;-)

that a bit disappointing, but there is still a lot of room for improvement. Here is a nice pic of its internal workings

 

Edited November 25, 2016 by FreeThinker

[FreeThinker]

It you want better energy storage, you gotta have to use fuel cell, they have a specific Energy of more than 500 Wh/kg (graphene super capacitor only has 85.6 Wh/kg, which translates to 308 kJ/kg)

A possible configuration would be to convert all Hydrogrogen + Oxygen rapidly into water in powerful fullcells and  store the waste water in big external water bladders.

Edited November 25, 2016 by FreeThinker

[rgr]

if you are interested in an apollo type fuel cell, i made one as a MM

[DJ Reonic]

Howdy, folks!

I'm playing with MM patches and this mod. My plan is to make a patch that, instead of cloning batteries, replaces any battery whether standalone or integrated into another part. I'm also looking into making a patch to work with AmpYear, making the reserve batteries use the Real Battery mechanics. Would this be something @Blackline would interested in?

[Errol]

Would it be possible to make a battery that acts like a lead acid battery but that cannot be charged? Can the charge rate be defined as zero, or a decimal? Could I just make a few cloned lead acid batteries with re-charge rates of say .00000000000000001?

[SpaceMouse]

Blackline hasn't replied to his thread in months. I too hope to see this project continue. I made my huge battery bank compatible with it.

[Blackline]

Hi there, i am currently on Stellaris, but i didn't die away

@DJ Reonic yes thats absolutely possible to replace all batteries with my RealBatteries. I already did that once, ill try to find the *.cfg

@Errol yes thats an already integrated functionality: Single use batteries. Although i'd need to make a new cfg file i guess.

@SpaceMouse I'm alive :-)

Cheers

DONE, see OP

Edited January 17, 2017 by Blackline

[Errol]

@Blackline Ever heard of the mod JDiminishingRTG? I think it would go great with this mod, however it hasn't been updated since 1.1.3

Anyone think they could make it compatible with this?

 

[Blackline]

@Nertea has a cfg file called NFElectricalRTGPatch.cfg shipped with NearFuture Electric, which enables decaying RTG's. Its within the Zip Package under Extras.

@Errol Btw, did you try out the non recharchable Lead-Acids i made you?

Edited January 23, 2017 by Blackline

[Errol]

11 hours ago, Blackline said:

@Nertea has a cfg file called NFElectricalRTGPatch.cfg shipped with NearFuture Electric, which enables decaying RTG's. Its within the Zip Package under Extras.

@Errol Btw, did you try out the non recharchable Lead-Acids i made you?

Just had a chance to fire up KSP for the first time in a few days. Tried real battery in a vanilla install, and I only seem to be able to get L-ion batteries to show up in the VAB, in both a fresh career start and sand box. 

[Blackline]

Yes, its always the same part, you switch the type in the right clock menu.

[Errol]

8 hours ago, Blackline said:

Yes, its always the same part, you switch the type in the right clock menu.

OHHHH!

I was working on duplicating the .cfg and making more batteries of different types. The comment in the OP about part upgrading makes more sense now. 

Something I don't know about how the part upgrade mechanic works, does it affect parts that are currently in flight? I would not like that at all....

[Blackline]

No. Every part has its own config. Just try it out.

[DrunkenKerbalnaut]

I got halfway through reading the thread and thought of flywheel energy storage. Was about to skip ahead to suggest that as an addition, but it looks like a certain sagacious simian beat me to it  

But yeah. That would be... How did the ancient Greeks say it? Ah, yes, "Mad dope, son". 

Sorry. I should go to bed haha. 

Edited January 26, 2017 by DrunkenKerbalnaut

[Blackline]

Ok, I am convinced. Massive, high speed wheels will be the next big thing in realBattery ;-)

But what about the torque created during charging or discharging? I need to do some wiki on this, do they use counter rotating masses??

[DrunkenKerbalnaut]

8 minutes ago, Blackline said:

Ok, I am convinced. Massive, high speed wheels will be the next big thing in realBattery ;-)

But what about the torque created during charging or discharging? I need to do some wiki on this, do they use counter rotating masses??

Use reaction wheels as both the charging mechanism and the discharging mechanism. If you can get it to apply localized torque in two opposite vectors, maybe you can cause RUD by over-powering it haha. 

Sorry, to answer your question: design them or perhaps role play them as having contra-rotating flywheels. Always in pairs, you know? 

EDIT: and Wikipedia has done some work for you, where upgrades can be applied:

First generation flywheel energy storage systems use a large steel flywheel rotating on mechanical bearings. Newer systems use carbon-fiber composite rotors that have a higher tensile strength than steel and are an order of magnitude less heavy.[5]

Magnetic bearings are sometimes used instead of mechanical bearings, to reduce friction.

Other components are hub and shaft.

Edited January 26, 2017 by DrunkenKerbalnaut

[riocrokite]

On 1/26/2017 at 9:51 AM, DrunkenKerbalnaut said:

Use reaction wheels as both the charging mechanism and the discharging mechanism. If you can get it to apply localized torque in two opposite vectors, maybe you can cause RUD by over-powering it haha. 

Sorry, to answer your question: design them or perhaps role play them as having contra-rotating flywheels. Always in pairs, you know? 

EDIT: and Wikipedia has done some work for you, where upgrades can be applied:

First generation flywheel energy storage systems use a large steel flywheel rotating on mechanical bearings. Newer systems use carbon-fiber composite rotors that have a higher tensile strength than steel and are an order of magnitude less heavy.[5]

Magnetic bearings are sometimes used instead of mechanical bearings, to reduce friction.

Other components are hub and shaft.

maybe you guys can use some info gathered developing flywheel battery mod (I stopped dev mostly because of overpowered nature of flywheels):

 

[Blackline]

@riocrokite thank you, i'll look into that when doing the next update.

in the meantime i managed to put RealBattery on CKAN

[DJ Reonic]

@Blackline Did you ever find that config you mentioned a few posts ago?

[Blackline]

Ouch, forgot it, sorry. I'll try to remembur until im home from work.

As an alternative, why dont you just prune all stock batteries?

[DJ Reonic]

What I'm aiming to do, is to replace all stock E/c storage, whether in batteries or in command pods/probe cores, etc. with Real Batteries, if that's even possible, and then make KSP use that, if that's possible.

Edited January 31, 2017 by DJ Reonic

[Blackline]

I didn't try it, but i think it should be enough to change the very first line in my RealBattery_mm.cfg to somethink like this:

@PART[*]:HAS[@RESOURCE[ElectricCharge]]

 

WARNING  That really converts ALL parts with EC to Realbatteries WARNING

Edited January 31, 2017 by Blackline

[DJ Reonic]

On 1/31/2017 at 0:59 PM, Blackline said:

I didn't try it, but i think it should be enough to change the very first line in my RealBattery_mm.cfg to somethink like this:

@PART[*]:HAS[@RESOURCE[ElectricCharge]]

 

WARNING  That really converts ALL parts with EC to Realbatteries WARNING

I tried exactly this, and all my parts were renamed to Real Battery names.