[1.3] RealEnginesPack v1.8 OMS and Apollo engine release. 22/07/2017

[VenomousRequiem]

@CobaltWolf you wouldn't have to worry about it if you finished the A6 i sent you months ago.

[KAO]

Are you still going to do Russian engines or is that chapter closed?

If you are, the RD-0410 would be an amazing addition. Probably my favorite engine, though I can see how it might be a bit difficult to model what with all the plumbing. Nevertheless it would be really cool to be able to use a Soviet nuclear engine. The only nuclear engine mods I've seen are either fictional or based on American engines, which leaves the Soviets kinda underrepresented. I'm doing a Soviet themed RSS/RO playthrough and, aside from filling the gap, a nuclear engine would be very useful for interplanetary missions.  

Edited July 15, 2017 by KAO

[Alcentar]

13 hours ago, KAO said:

Are you still going to do Russian engines or is that chapter closed?

If you are, the RD-0410 would be an amazing addition. Probably my favorite engine, though I can see how it might be a bit difficult to model what with all the plumbing. Nevertheless it would be really cool to be able to use a Soviet nuclear engine. The only nuclear engine mods I've seen are either fictional or based on American engines, which leaves the Soviets kinda underrepresented. I'm doing a Soviet themed RSS/RO playthrough and, aside from filling the gap, a nuclear engine would be very useful for interplanetary missions.  

I'm not ready to speak for the fate of add-on because I have not been able to find the motivation to continue working on it for a long time. 

[NathanKell]

@Alcentar the NK-33 and RD-275 are fixed! Awesome! But there's still an issue: while the actual vernier models on the RD-108 move correctly, the thrust transforms don't seem to be parented to the right verniers at all. Do test it ingame and try to roll, and see what happens: the exhausts don't move correctly in sync with the verniers, and no roll control is provided--the exhausts splay in and out instead of going side-to-side.

[Alcentar]

On 16.07.2017 at 0:21 AM, NathanKell said:

@Alcentar the NK-33 and RD-275 are fixed! Awesome! But there's still an issue: while the actual vernier models on the RD-108 move correctly, the thrust transforms don't seem to be parented to the right verniers at all. Do test it ingame and try to roll, and see what happens: the exhausts don't move correctly in sync with the verniers, and no roll control is provided--the exhausts splay in and out instead of going side-to-side.

I'd rather see what's wrong with him.

[Alcentar]

Guys, anyone knows if the Americans have normal photos of their engines, I found only one photo of OMS, but it's not enough to make a 3d model ... It's also quite difficult to find normal photos of other engines ... If anyone has information About OMS give me links to normal photos. 

[Phineas Freak]

@Alcentar You are a very lucky person! The AJ10 engine in general is (was?) the simplest engine ever to be manufactured using non-modern techniques. Orthographic view:

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Using the above image as a basis you could also make almost every AJ10 variant ever made. Compare it to the AJ10-118K used on the Delta II launch vehicle:

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Only a bit longer of a nozzle. The very early variants (used on the Able/Ablestar upper stages) have a nozzle slightly smaller than the AJ10-190 variant.

TL;DR: it would be great if by modeling the Shuttle OMS engine you could also make the rest of them...

Edited July 18, 2017 by Phineas Freak

[Alcentar]

1 hour ago, Phineas Freak said:

@Alcentar You are a very lucky person! The AJ10 engine in general is (was?) the simplest engine ever to be manufactured using non-modern techniques. Orthographic view:

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Using the above image as a basis you could also make almost every AJ10 variant ever made. Compare it to the AJ10-118K used on the Delta II launch vehicle:

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Only a bit longer of a nozzle. The very early variants (used on the Able/Ablestar upper stages) have a nozzle slightly smaller than the AJ10-190 variant.

TL;DR: it would be great if by modeling the Shuttle OMS engine you could also make the rest of them...

Here is the picture I'm focusing on, the base is already made in 3d but this is not enough for the release of the engine.

By the way, thanks for the information, I'm not very familiar with the American engines.
I will search for at least a little more information, and if do not find then I will have to do a very not exact model.

[Phineas Freak]

Hmm, none of the "official" AJ10 (or other American hypergolic engines, like the LMAE/LMDE) ever had very detailed pictures of the inner workings, only the overall factor. Also, these engines are pressure-fed so the only real components are the combustion chamber, some propellant pipes and the propellant valves. Example No. 1 (AJ10-37 - Vanguard Able):

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Example No. 2 (AJ10-142 - Thor Delta):

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Example No. 3, a more complicated design from the Apollo SPS (AJ10-137):

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As you see...not a lot.

Edited July 21, 2017 by Phineas Freak
Fix small typo...

[Alcentar]

Update v1.8
1. Fixed a problem with RD-108, thanks @NathanKell for comment, I hope now everything works properly.

2. Made a small restoration of textures and models for engines RD-107/108 and A7.

3. Added two new engines for US pack, OMS/Orion engine (AJ10-190) and Apollo engine (AJ10-137).

 

Download: https://spacedock.info/mod/1212/RealEngines?new=True

Many thanks @Phineas Freak for the information and assistance in creating new engines, now I also have a reserve for the creation of new engines. 

[NathanKell]

@Alcentar awesome!

[Alcentar]

Continuing to develop the project "Energia".
Upper stage block DM is ready, the Smerch upper stage is almost ready.

[Alcentar]

My first file on Sketchfad is the rocket Energia and Polyus.
Although the first attempt is unsuccessful, the central unit is slightly shifted backward. 

https://sketchfab.com/models/f7b0d5c070c54e9d9bc64fcb201ae7da

[Morashtak]

After reading thru the threads I could find no config file for CTT so decided to learn about rocket engines;

Real Engines Community Tech Tree config file      (via Dropbox)

Bonus - Uses stock only tech nodes so is ready to import into the relevant cfg's.

Added a bit of fluff to each description (as per Wikipedia so beware). The "attachment" parts are a bit confusing so clarification will be needed as well as they are showing up in the fuel tank section - Should be "Structural"?

This was all done in the wee, dark hours of a Sunday morning so suggestions are highly welcome and expected.

Edited August 20, 2017 by Morashtak
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[smckamey19]

I was just looking for something like this! I couldn't see the engines anywhere and wondered why. I guess this explains it. Where do I put the file after I download it?

I can never find the engines when I'm in the game.... 

[Morashtak]

28 minutes ago, smckamey19 said:

I was just looking for something like this! I couldn't see the engines anywhere and wondered why. I guess this explains it. Where do I put the file after I download it?

I can never find the engines when I'm in the game.... 

To keep the file structure clean add a folder under the Real Engines folder, call it Patches, place this file in the new folder. MM will see it and do its thing.

[smckamey19]

40 minutes ago, Morashtak said:

To keep the file structure clean add a folder under the Real Engines folder, call it Patches, place this file in the new folder. MM will see it and do its thing.

Awesome! Thanks! Is there any way to scale the engines in game? 

[Morashtak]

TweakScale is the go-to for most parts but it needs a config file that points MM to each of REs parts. Again, not a problem for @Alcentar.

No promises but looks easy tho' will take a few tests to ensure all the engines are incorporated.

First pass done

TweakScale config file ; requires TweakScale. Place file in TweakScale's Patches folder

 

Edited August 21, 2017 by Morashtak
added file link

[Calvin_Maclure]

Just wanted to confirm something. To get this mod to work for RO/RSS, I have to 1- download the mod and 2- download the cfg files as on the first page? Anything special I need to do to install the cfg files?

[Phineas Freak]

@Calvin_Maclure You will get the the RealEngines patches automatically when you install RO (the link to the patches in the OP points to the GitHub RO repository).

[Calvin_Maclure]

14 hours ago, Phineas Freak said:

@Calvin_Maclure You will get the the RealEngines patches automatically when you install RO (the link to the patches in the OP points to the GitHub RO repository).

Ah ok. So nothing special needs to be done. Awesome!

[Jamesbowser]

Hey you do realize that the green things are hydraulics and that the whole engine and turbo pumps gimbals with the nozzle and only the thrust structure stays still. I know most people don't care but this real bug me from a realism point of view.   I'm not saying you have to remodel the engines as they look great but just make it so the whole engine assembly gimbals instead of just the nozzle.

Note how the whole engine gimbals instead of just the nozzle.

 

[Alcentar]

On 10.09.2017 at 4:44 AM, Jamesbowser said:

Hey you do realize that the green things are hydraulics and that the whole engine and turbo pumps gimbals with the nozzle and only the thrust structure stays still. I know most people don't care but this real bug me from a realism point of view.   I'm not saying you have to remodel the engines as they look great but just make it so the whole engine assembly gimbals instead of just the nozzle.

Note how the whole engine gimbals instead of just the nozzle.

 

I can not do it.
 

[CobaltWolf]

1 hour ago, Alcentar said:

I can not do it.

If you don't want to I understand, but can I ask why you think you can't?

[Alcentar]

2 hours ago, CobaltWolf said:

If you don't want to I understand, but can I ask why you think you can't?

Because I tried to do it but nothing happened.