paul_c Posted March 7, 2021 Share Posted March 7, 2021 1 hour ago, Flying dutchman said: I wonder why the engine wasn't producing the requested thrust on landing, plume seems alright to me.. This. They need to get to grips with why the engine(s) seem to work fine on a test stand, but don't once attached to a spaceship and flown in the profile they have in mind for the thing. Unlike an aeroplane or helicopter this thing is 100% reliant on the engines working properly to make a landing. Yes I know the SNs are allocated for these testing phases but there is a cost to crashing, both monetary in cleanup; possibility of damaging other kit; regulatory and reputational costs too. I would not be surprised if the FAA once again want quite a detailed investigation into the latest crash and want to see changes made - on their terms, not SpaceX's, which will be like walking through treacle compared to if SpaceX themselves could dictate the pace of advancement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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RCgothic Posted March 7, 2021 Share Posted March 7, 2021 (edited) 7 hours ago, paul_c said: They need to get to grips with why the engine(s) seem to work fine on a test stand, but don't once attached to a spaceship and flown in the profile they have in mind for the thing. That's why they fly. The only site at risk belongs to SpaceX, and the people who get the say on whether SpaceX can risk that site is SpaceX. The flights haven't come even close to risking anything else, and they're equipped with flight termination systems in the event that they might. And on the contrary, I don't think SpaceX is taking any reputational damage whatsoever from these flights. I don't see why the FAA would have any more problem with SN10 than SN9 (or especially SN8). Edited March 7, 2021 by RCgothic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikegarrison Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 6 hours ago, RCgothic said: The only site at risk belongs to SpaceX, and the people who get the say on whether SpaceX can risk that site is SpaceX. No, this is not how it works. Everything that flies needs to have some kind of permission. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RCgothic Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 And the FAA have no reason to deny that permission based on the flights to date or they would already have denied SN9 or 10. There isn't more risk just because the prototypes haven't stopped crashing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeSchmuckatelli Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 4 hours ago, RCgothic said: There isn't more risk just because the prototypes haven't stopped crashing. The risk is some competitor's lobbyist convincing a regulator that 'something needs to be done.' Easiest thing in the world to do if you want to throw a wrench into a competitor's works; get the administration to put on the brakes for no good reason... other than because Sen. Sidekick or Rep. Handmeout has a 'constituent' who isn't getting paid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RCgothic Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 I suppose one of the benefits of high chamber pressure is really responsive hydraulics! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RealKerbal3x Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 Next! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaceception Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 Is that heatshield patch bigger or about the same size as SN10s? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeSchmuckatelli Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 Is there anything different about the flaps? I can't tell if it is a camera angle /shadow thing or something new Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RealKerbal3x Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 22 minutes ago, Spaceception said: Is that heatshield patch bigger or about the same size as SN10s? It's bigger. 14 minutes ago, JoeSchmuckatelli said: Is there anything different about the flaps? I can't tell if it is a camera angle /shadow thing or something new They seem the same to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tater Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 15 minutes ago, JoeSchmuckatelli said: I can't tell if it is a camera angle /shadow thing or something new Think they are the same, it's just the light. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeSchmuckatelli Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 5 minutes ago, tater said: Think they are the same, it's just the light. Gotcha. The actuator portion just looks really pronounced in the image Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tater Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 SN11 tile detail: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerbiloid Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 (edited) Choosing which one looks the best on photos? Spoiler Edited March 8, 2021 by kerbiloid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RealKerbal3x Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 SN11 is on the move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cubinator Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 Russia wouldn't sell an ICBM and now look what happened... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lukaszenko Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 41 minutes ago, cubinator said: Russia wouldn't sell an ICBM and now look what happened... Probably now is the time to buy ICBMs from Russia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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tater Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 SN10 flight was 5 days ago. Wonder what the interval between SN10 and SN11 flight will be? 2 weeks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derega16 Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 53 minutes ago, tater said: SN10 flight was 5 days ago. Wonder what the interval between SN10 and SN11 flight will be? 2 weeks? They might waiting to make a sacrifice to the Kraken first Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeSchmuckatelli Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Lukaszenko said: Probably now is the time to buy ICBMs from Russia Can I pick it up myself? - I've never been a fan of their delivery options Edited March 8, 2021 by JoeSchmuckatelli Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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zolotiyeruki Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 59 minutes ago, JoeSchmuckatelli said: Can I pick it up myself? - I've never been a fan of their delivery options Hehehe, this can be interpreted at least three ways off the top of my head, and all of them are gloriously humorous! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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