sh1pman Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 54 minutes ago, DDE said: Worst-case scenario would probably involve cutting away the majority of Kazakhstan's 20% Russian population into a "South Siberia" Worst-case for who? Also, I don’t like the term “cutting away”. The term I’d use is “helping to organise a democratic referendum about the future of several territories during political instability”. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SunlitZelkova Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 (edited) I have run out of reactions for the day Apparently not actually! Thanks for the info. Not necessarily pertaining to the real life situation, but in a nightmare scenario where Baikonur is "lost" somehow, would Vostochny work for ISS missions? Edited January 6, 2022 by SunlitZelkova Actually was able to like Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sh1pman Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 9 minutes ago, SunlitZelkova said: Not necessarily pertaining to the real life situation, but in a nightmare scenario where Baikonur is "lost" somehow, would Vostochny work for ISS missions? Vostochny is a bit too far north for ISS missions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerbiloid Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 (edited) Just another evidence of superiority of Chelomei & Yangel's Plesetsk over Korolyov's Baikonur. *** Baikonur = money, all will stay same. Edited January 6, 2022 by kerbiloid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDE Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 Interesting factoid: according to at least some sources, the person to have first called for a CSTO intervention is Toktar Aubakirov, formerly the cosmonaut-researcher of Soyuz TM-13 (callsign "Donbass"), presently a socdem politician. https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/5156017 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SunlitZelkova Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 So I suppose the overview effect is basically like being a tourist in a country for a few days and deciding you want to live there, only for hard reality to slap one in the face and make them go back to being sensible (or in the case of space, like an average human). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve9728 Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 (edited) I was watching videos from the Internet about the riot in Kazakhstan and I noticed something particularly familiar: at certain distance in the crowd there always someone wearing a Red Jacket. And distance between each guy in the Red Jacket is approximately the same. All I can say is that some 'organization' and people have never been innovative in their script of "making something happen" In the end I hope everything can early pacification and return to peace. Edited January 7, 2022 by steve9728 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDE Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 8 hours ago, SunlitZelkova said: So I suppose the overview effect is basically like being a tourist in a country for a few days and deciding you want to live there, only for hard reality to slap one in the face and make them go back to being sensible (or in the case of space, like an average human). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_syndrome Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDE Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 (edited) @steve9728, I'm basically done trying to dig into this, there's too much opinion swirling around and some critical facts are missing or unconfirmed (for one thing, Where in the World is Nursultan Nazarbayev?) Should let the dust settle for a few weeks. One thing I wanted to note that, for a classic color revolution, it lacked the slickness, the branding (you know, the specific color that earns the phenomenon its name), a presentable picture of noble and peaceful freedom fighters standing opposite a row of faceless riot police. Instead it almost immediately erupted into something more akin to the KwaZulu riots last year - the same kind of "decentralized leadership", a political position boiling down to rage against The Man, and chaotic property destruction. Anyway, Baikonur's beginning to take measures, introducing a nighttime curfew and lockdown, banning sales of liquor, and raising neighborhood watch units to bolster patrols for the durat6 of the national state of emergency. https://tass.ru/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/13369453 Edited January 7, 2022 by DDE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve9728 Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 51 minutes ago, DDE said: @steve9728, I'm basically done trying to dig into this, there's too much opinion swirling around and some critical facts are missing or unconfirmed (for one thing, Where in the World is Nursultan Nazarbayev?) Should let the dust settle for a few weeks. One thing I wanted to note that, for a classic color revolution, it lacked the slickness, the branding (you know, the specific color that earns the phenomenon its name), a presentable picture of noble and peaceful freedom fighters standing opposite a row of faceless riot police. Instead it almost immediately erupted into something more akin to the KwaZulu riots last year - the same kind of "decentralized leadership", a political position boiling down to rage against The Man, and chaotic property destruction. Anyway, Baikonur's beginning to take measures, introducing a nighttime curfew and lockdown, banning sales of liquor, and raising neighborhood watch units to bolster patrols for the durat6 of the national state of emergency. https://tass.ru/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/13369453 Yeah, it's too werid: the 'smell' is familiar, but the change from peace to violence was too quick. Banning liquor is a good idea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerbiloid Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 2 hours ago, DDE said: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_syndrome Felt that remotely, being in Paris via Google Earth. Actually, nothing special. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerbiloid Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 3 hours ago, DDE said: Anyway, Baikonur's beginning to take measures, introducing a nighttime curfew and lockdown, banning sales of liquor, and raising neighborhood watch units to bolster patrols for the durat6 of the national state of emergency. https://www-rbc-ru.translate.goog/politics/07/01/2022/61d83d9f9a7947d1ef0970b6?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=ru More than 3-in-1 is not allowed in Baikonur. As the liquor sales are prohibited, actually even 3 is not required. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDE Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerbiloid Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 Several minutes later... Spoiler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotius Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 What the heck is that red thing? A raft? Inflatable mattress? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerbiloid Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 An inflatable mattress used as a sea raft. They took it from the beach cabin. But the most significant similarity is Neptun-25 craft on top. It has legs (like Oryol has) and arms, and can walk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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steve9728 Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 17 hours ago, DDE said: Although I really do want to visit here but... this is crime to paint those thing on Buran in every sense of the word I think... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SunlitZelkova Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 Who is worse? People who vandalize historical artifacts, or people who neglect them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerbiloid Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 Lyappa in all her glory, 00:30 Spoiler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeSchmuckatelli Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 On 1/10/2022 at 12:13 AM, SunlitZelkova said: people who neglect them? There's an odd sense - (at least in the US, which likely extends universally) - of who 'owns' the asset within the government that turns out to be controlling. The owning agency has responsibility for the asset. Then it has to prioritize what to do with the little bit of funding they get. Sometimes unused assets just get mothballed, regardless of the historicity of the object. I suspect that Buran is a military asset. One that's not being used, and there is no other agency of government stepping up willing to spend their budget on not only preserving history but building and maintaining a museum for it. My own experience with this occurred in a much more terrestrial arena. Fort Knox. Once the "Home of Armor". Legendary place for military guys - especially Tankers to visit. It's where we all went to school. They had a really good "Armor Museum" where you could see a lot of restored and historical tanks. Then, the Army, in its infinite wisdom, decided to move the Armor Branch to one of the Army's premier Infantry bases: Ft. Benning, GA. All the cool, historical tanks did not belong to the museum. They were on loan from the Armor Branch - and when the branch moved, so too did the tanks. So now the Museum at Ft. Knox is a weird, sad ode to ROTC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperFastJellyfish Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 Burya is owned privately, pending litigation, by a man willing to sell the orbiter back to Russia for the skull of the last Kazakh Khan. https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/10/kazakh-entrepreneur-seeks-to-trade-soviet-shuttle-for-historic-skull/?amp=1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeSchmuckatelli Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 2 hours ago, SuperFastJellyfish said: the skull of the last Kazakh Khan An elite archaeologist is reportedly already searching for it: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerbiloid Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 This explains a lot, these days. [x] Guard Burya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDE Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 9 hours ago, SuperFastJellyfish said: Burya is owned privately, pending litigation, by a man willing to sell the orbiter back to Russia for the skull of the last Kazakh Khan. https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/10/kazakh-entrepreneur-seeks-to-trade-soviet-shuttle-for-historic-skull/?amp=1 Putin already promised said head to Nazarbayev last year. https://www.mk.ru/social/2021/09/10/cherep-za-buran-kto-takoy-kenesary-khan.html Combine that with the rather hairy topic of this being clear Kazakh nationalist pandering - a political line with an unclear future given the rather drastic shift in Kazakhstan's international standing - and we might see someone cutting the knot, so to speak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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