Real Life "Kerbalisms"

[Lisias]

Absolutely atrocious! Ludicrous! Insane! I LOVED IT!!! - one of the best KSP projects I will ever do!!

Hydrofoil Albatros Rocket.

Can't find a use for it except by the military, however. The second stage (as the first stage is the boat!!!) need to land somewhere, after all, denying a large area of the Globe as civilian launching places.

[magnemoe]

On 9/27/2023 at 8:35 PM, kerbiloid said:

Pchelka / Little Bee

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People has build larger RC planes  

[magnemoe]

1 hour ago, Lisias said:

Absolutely atrocious! Ludicrous! Insane! I LOVED IT!!! - one of the best KSP projects I will ever do!!

Hydrofoil Albatros Rocket.

Can't find a use for it except by the military, however. The second stage (as the first stage is the boat!!!) need to land somewhere, after all, denying a large area of the Globe as civilian launching places.

Loved it to, you would not launch this very far from land anyway I think, second stage lands on an runway, either RTLS or an runway downline and fly back to base to be mated with ship again. 
Obvious change I would make was to put rocket engines on the ship to push this up to takeoff speed, then light second stage. 
The kicker is that hydrofoils are fast but are they fast enough, concord required 400 km/h. You are taking an ship up to close to the water speed record for specialty build speed boats  Yes you have rocket engines but any issues like to high vaves as these speed in water and you rud rocket style 

[Lisias]

21 minutes ago, magnemoe said:

Loved it to, you would not launch this very far from land anyway I think, second stage lands on an runway, either RTLS or an runway downline and fly back to base to be mated with ship again. 

Landing that second stage on a boat would require a hell of a big one. I doubt even something twice as big as CVN-78 would withhold such a monster!

 

23 minutes ago, magnemoe said:

Obvious change I would make was to put rocket engines on the ship to push this up to takeoff speed, then light second stage. 

It was the second thing I though (after "I need to do this on KSP!")

You need a hell of a thrust to accelerate the compound to takeoff speed (they are on water, after all!), and after the thing takes off, the extra hardware will be just dead weight - having more thrust than you need for reaching orbit is pure waste. Not to mention that a good part of the fuselage would be wasted by carrying the fuel just to break the whole compound inertia (and water induced drag), again wasting internal space that could be used to something useful - as allowing more cargo to be shoved on the third stage by using the (now extra) internal fuel to do more orbital work for it.

 

26 minutes ago, magnemoe said:

The kicker is that hydrofoils are fast but are they fast enough, concord required 400 km/h. You are taking an ship up to close to the water speed record for specialty build speed boats  Yes you have rocket engines but any issues like to high vaves as these speed in water and you rud rocket style 

A Ground Effect vehicle as the Caspian Sea Monster appears to be a more plausible solution, I agree.

[DDE]

On 10/18/2023 at 4:15 PM, Lisias said:

What by the Kraken's name is this?? Kamov Ka-26

A combination of the need for twin ICEs - antiquated by that time, but pretty cheap, I imagine - and Kamov's trademark customizable/modular aft area.

3 hours ago, Lisias said:

Absolutely atrocious! Ludicrous! Insane! I LOVED IT!!! - one of the best KSP projects I will ever do!!

Whoo, he went there. I knew about that thing, but damn...

[magnemoe]

10 hours ago, Lisias said:

Landing that second stage on a boat would require a hell of a big one. I doubt even something twice as big as CVN-78 would withhold such a monster!

It was the second thing I though (after "I need to do this on KSP!")

You need a hell of a thrust to accelerate the compound to takeoff speed (they are on water, after all!), and after the thing takes off, the extra hardware will be just dead weight - having more thrust than you need for reaching orbit is pure waste. Not to mention that a good part of the fuselage would be wasted by carrying the fuel just to break the whole compound inertia (and water induced drag), again wasting internal space that could be used to something useful - as allowing more cargo to be shoved on the third stage by using the (now extra) internal fuel to do more orbital work for it.

A Ground Effect vehicle as the Caspian Sea Monster appears to be a more plausible solution, I agree.

Yes you could technical land as as in reverse of release but this would be very hard. I though more of do the launch from an place where you could easy reach an runway after release, that just need to be an airport there second stage was checked out and mated with the first stage again. 
And an ground effect craft makes more sense as you can release at say 600 km/h. You would not need rockets here either except perhaps for liftoff  

9 hours ago, DDE said:

A combination of the need for twin ICEs - antiquated by that time, but pretty cheap, I imagine - and Kamov's trademark customizable/modular aft area.

Whoo, he went there. I knew about that thing, but damn...

was these used on ships? seen something like it, and on a ship modular payload is more importan as you only have one or perhaps two helicopters unless you are an carrier. 

[DDE]

2 hours ago, magnemoe said:

was these used on ships? seen something like it, and on a ship modular payload is more importan as you only have one or perhaps two helicopters unless you are an carrier. 

Kamov usually worked with the Navy, yes, although the Navy never took advantage of that feature on the larger Ka-25 and 27. I recall about five mutually incompatible craft types (SAR, ASW, troop transport/gunship, ASh targeting, AWACS/AEW) when even the heavy cruisers had three hangar spots to spare.

Craft may be modular, but crews aren't.

[DDE]

Aerosani. Autogyro. Why not both, with a snowmobike track bogey to boot?

Leonid (?) Kurbala, a low-ranking airplane designer, 1943.

[Lisias]

A 747 with afterburners as a first stage launch vehicle.

A Space Shuttle used to carry and launch a smaller Space Shuttle.

A C-5 as a launching platform for yet another Space Shuttle.

Oh, dear…. What magnificent concepts for a KSP career game!!

 

 

Edited October 23, 2023 by Lisias
kraken damned tyops!

[SunlitZelkova]

1 hour ago, Lisias said:

first stage lunch vehicle.

I love these typos.

When I was in the 6th grade, we had this thing called Satellite Club. While we didn’t actually build a satellite, we did build the bus of a weather balloon, each working in teams to construct a small 6in x 6in cube with actual temperature sensors, among other things. It was funded by Boeing and the Paul Allen Foundation, among other organizations, and we lived in the Seattle area. Along with middle schoolers, high schoolers participated too.

But anyways, one day when me and this other kid were in the hallway, the janitor walks up to us. He shares a moment from a show he watched, where one guy in Mission Control says it’s “lunch time” and a guy with a red button thinks it’s “launch time” and they accidentally launch a rocket.

As a 12 year old I found it hilarious, the 14 year old beside me not so much.

Every time I see that typo I think of that moment

[Lisias]

49 minutes ago, SunlitZelkova said:

2 hours ago, Lisias said:

first stage lunch vehicle.

I love these typos.

On a side note, I recently noted that the number or typos and "miswords" I do increases exponentially with the size of the swap file on my rig. I'm suspecting that I'm not that bad on typing, it looks like something failing on handling the keystrokes events on my rig.  

(right now, not a single typo happened on the last two sentences)

 

49 minutes ago, SunlitZelkova said:

When I was in the 6th grade, we had this thing called Satellite Club. While we didn’t actually build a satellite, we did build the bus of a weather balloon, each working in teams to construct a small 6in x 6in cube with actual temperature sensors, among other things. It was funded by Boeing and the Paul Allen Foundation, among other organizations, and we lived in the Seattle area. Along with middle schoolers, high schoolers participated too.

You will love this history so! (look for "Don Morris' Australian Balloon 9825 Story)

 

49 minutes ago, SunlitZelkova said:

But anyways, one day when me and this other kid were in the hallway, the janitor walks up to us. He shares a moment from a show he watched, where one guy in Mission Control says it’s “lunch time” and a guy with a red button thinks it’s “launch time” and they accidentally launch a rocket.

Fantastic history!

Edited October 23, 2023 by Lisias
Forgot to reproduce the typo! The first time EVER I wanted a typo on purpose, and I type it correctly!!!

[SunlitZelkova]

7 hours ago, Lisias said:

You will love this history so! (look for "Don Morris' Australian Balloon 9825 Story)

That's a lovely story!

[kerbiloid]

11 hours ago, Lisias said:

 

Indeed, Kerbal.

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[DDE]

Aleksandr Konstantinov, one of the weapons designers who tried to unseat the Kalashnikov rifle during the 5,45 mm rifle trials, had apparently heard that lowering the recoil axis reduces mizzle climb... so he went all. Sources like Popenker claim this was actually built and submitted:

Edited October 26, 2023 by DDE

[Lisias]

8 hours ago, DDE said:

Aleksandr Konstantinov, one of the weapons designers who tried to unseat the Kalashnikov rifle during the 5,45 mm rifle trials, had apparently heard that lowering the recoil axis reduces mizzle climb... so he went all. Sources like Popenker claim this was actually built and submitted:

Damn, it took me half an hour until I understand the damned thing wasn't inverted!

As a matter of fact, Konstantinov is not the only one to have that idea. Emilio Ghisoni also though of that, and created the Mateba MTR, and later the Model 6 - the idea was being commercialised until recently as Mateba Model 6 Unica (one of the very few autorevolvers in existence).

Both guns tried to lower the most the barrel to do exactly the same, reducing mizzle climb. Never used one of these, but I had heard that at least on this requirement, the thing succeeded.

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Forgot about the Chiappa Rhino, the last work of the guy.

 

Edited October 26, 2023 by Lisias
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[Lisias]

Just found this one!

Launching a SSTO using a bobsled - I can't imagine the G forces when the tracks start the climb in such accentuated angle - it must be back breaking! (and the thing intended to be manned!) - you need to be a Kerbal to survive the launch!

 

 

[DDE]

3 hours ago, Lisias said:

As a matter of fact, Konstantinov is not the only one to have that idea. Emilio Ghisoni also though of that, and created the Mateba MTR, and later the Model 6 - currently, the idea was being commercialised until recently as Mateba Model 6 Unica (one of the very few autorevolvers in existence).

Both guns tried to lower the most the barrel to do exactly the same, reducing mizzle climb. Never used one of these, but I had heard that at least on this requirement, the thing succeeded.

They have emulators in Tula, up to and including a certain AEK-906 (i.e. Konstantinov was involved) Nosorog (Rhino).

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The ever-so-memeable 12.7x55 mm revolver also uses it.

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...in all two known specimens, of course.

[kerbiloid]

8 hours ago, DDE said:

Looks like a bag gun.

[magnemoe]

On 10/26/2023 at 1:38 PM, DDE said:

Aleksandr Konstantinov, one of the weapons designers who tried to unseat the Kalashnikov rifle during the 5,45 mm rifle trials, had apparently heard that lowering the recoil axis reduces mizzle climb... so he went all. Sources like Popenker claim this was actually built and submitted:

 

And yes this required some head scratching to understand, Not sure how it would be to use. 

Now for an revolver it would be pretty easy to put the drum and barrel forward and down significantly reducing the impact of muzzle rise. You you probably want to raise the sights a bit.  Way harder with other guns because the bolt move backward. 
As I understand double action revolvers already have an issue do to high trigger pull as you need to rotate the drum in addition to cocking the hammer. But if the barrel inline with forearm was an significant benefit an semi auto revolver who rotated and cocked would not be that hard. Guess benefit is not that large and the main benefit of revolvers is the simplicity and little who can go wrong. Handguns are not very accurate anyway, and the average police or soldier would not be an expert pistol shooter anyway. 

[Lisias]

21 minutes ago, magnemoe said:

As I understand double action revolvers already have an issue do to high trigger pull as you need to rotate the drum in addition to cocking the hammer. But if the barrel inline with forearm was an significant benefit an semi auto revolver who rotated and cocked would not be that hard. Guess benefit is not that large and the main benefit of revolvers is the simplicity and little who can go wrong. Handguns are not very accurate anyway, and the average police or soldier would not be an expert pistol shooter anyway. 

It's the main criticism about Mateba's ones (and any other autorevolver too). An autorevolver is way simpler than a pistol, but still a bit more complicated than a simple revolver - you need proper sealing on the chamber, otherwise the gases will leak and the mechanism will not cock. On the other hand, they are safer to be handled exactly because of that: you can have a finger ripped out on a Magnum .44 if you don't mind how to hold the weapon while firing.

Additionally, not every ammunition have enough kick to pull the cycle - common ammo degenerates the weapon's cycle into a double action exactly like common revolvers. But at least you can use ordinary non FMJ (Colt and S&W) ammo on it if desperated, what still makes it more versatile than a pistol.

[kerbiloid]

4 hours ago, magnemoe said:

Not sure how it would be to use. 

 

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You bring it to negotiation. If things go wrong, use the standard maneuver.

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[StrandedonEarth]

Putting a fake manual transmission and clutch in a battery-electric car? Sounds Kerbal to me...

Toyota has built an EV with a fake transmission, and we’ve driven it | Ars Technica

[kerbiloid]

Pchiolka/Little Bee engine malfunction test.

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[Lisias]

"I swear, major, the aircraft took off by itself - it was an accident!!"  

 

 

[magnemoe]

On 11/1/2023 at 4:04 AM, StrandedonEarth said:

Putting a fake manual transmission and clutch in a battery-electric car? Sounds Kerbal to me...

Toyota has built an EV with a fake transmission, and we’ve driven it | Ars Technica

Now this was weird. I assume an electrical motor can work on the entire speed range of the car without any gearing. Manual transmissions has always been popular in Europe but is going away. 
That killed them was that automatic is more efficient less pollution also an hybrid want automatic as it want to control then to use the electric engine, mostly then going slowly or then its fully charged.