Boeing 7*7: the saga continues…

[SunlitZelkova]

Apparently not a MAX, but an Alaska 737, also in the Portland area, arrived with at the airport cracked windshield.

https://www.koin.com/news/portland/alaska-airlines-flight-cracked-windshield-safe-landing/

[PakledHostage]

39 minutes ago, SunlitZelkova said:

Apparently not a MAX, but an Alaska 737, also in the Portland area, arrived with at the airport cracked windshield.

This is getting ridiculous.  It isn't uncommon for them to crack.  This shouldn't be news. It's usually just the outer pane that cracks, often due to a problem with the anti-ice heating system. The structural pane is in the middle, protected by polymer and glass layers. And even if the structural pane breaks (e.g. due to a bird strike), the polymer layers can sustain the pressurization loads. Nobody freaks out when someone's minivan window cracks... they stop and get it fixed. That's all that would have happened here, just like the other dozens of times it happens around the world in any given year. 

[Nuke]

i think whats happened is that you are hearing about the usual aircraft wear and tear that always happens when you operate an airline. things that wouldnt be noteworthy by those inside the industry. but because boeing is under so much scrutiny it gets reported as more qc issues when its really a maintenance issue. this does not help their situation any.

[kerbiloid]

5 hours ago, PakledHostage said:

This is getting ridiculous.  It isn't uncommon for them to crack.  This shouldn't be news. It's usually just the outer pane that cracks, often due to a problem with the anti-ice heating system. The structural pane is in the middle, protected by polymer and glass layers. And even if the structural pane breaks (e.g. due to a bird strike), the polymer layers can sustain the pressurization loads. Nobody freaks out when someone's minivan window cracks... they stop and get it fixed. That's all that would have happened here, just like the other dozens of times it happens around the world in any given year. 

+1

The Boeing glasses are stronger than they seem. They face it every another Tuesday,

Spoiler

Btw, for the same reason.

Spoiler

P.S.
Why, do you think, the pilots have guns? Exactly for that.

No guns - more broken windows.

Edited March 19 by kerbiloid

[Nuke]

damn gremlins.

[PakledHostage]

8 hours ago, kerbiloid said:

The Boeing glasses are stronger than they seem. 

Boeing doesn't make the windows. Companies like PPG make them. 

[kerbiloid]

3 hours ago, PakledHostage said:

Boeing doesn't make the windows. Companies like PPG make them. 

Boeing selects proper glasses, like in the documentary above.

[Shpaget]

Another Boeing / Spirit whistleblower dies.

https://www.seattletimes.com/business/whistleblower-josh-dean-of-boeing-supplier-spirit-aerosystems-has-died/

[mikegarrison]

 

[kerbiloid]

"Keep walking. Nothing to look at."

[Nuke]

its amazing what you will say when someone hands you a briefcase full of money.

[PakledHostage]

Being a whistle-blower would be extremely stressful.  That's sure to have mental amd physical health implications. One doesn't need to subscribe to conspiracy theories to find plausible explanations for these unfortunate deaths.

[Ryaja]

On 5/1/2024 at 11:58 PM, mikegarrison said:

 

Least obvious government/corporate "silencing":

[Hotel26]

Seattle Times reports MRSA: methicillin-resistant staphylococcus aureus

"Staphylococcal enterotoxin B is a toxin associated with incidences of massive food poisoning. The bacteria that produce this toxin (SEB) are universally associated with man and other warm blooded mammals and their spheres of environmental influence include sewage and plumes. Staphylococcus aureus can readily be isolated from nose, armpits or a.n.a.l. swabs and about 50% of clinical isolates produce this toxin. Staphylococcal enterotoxin B is one of the superantigens capable of massive nonspecific activation of the immune system including a massive release of cytokines, such as interferon-gamma, interleukin-6 and tumor necrosis factor-alpha."

Edited May 4 by Hotel26

[darthgently]

41 minutes ago, Hotel26 said:

Seattle Times reports MRSA: methicillin-resistant staphylococcus aureus

"Staphylococcal enterotoxin B is a toxin associated with incidences of massive food poisoning. The bacteria that produce this toxin (SEB) are universally associated with man and other warm blooded mammals and their spheres of environmental influence include sewage and plumes. Staphylococcus aureus can readily be isolated from nose, armpits or a.n.a.l. swabs and about 50% of clinical isolates produce this toxin. Staphylococcal enterotoxin B is one of the superantigens capable of massive nonspecific activation of the immune system including a massive release of cytokines, such as interferon-gamma, interleukin-6 and tumor necrosis factor-alpha."

Well crap.  And puke too probably.

[kerbiloid]

On 5/2/2024 at 6:05 AM, Shpaget said:

Another Boeing / Spirit whistleblower dies.

https://www.seattletimes.com/business/whistleblower-josh-dean-of-boeing-supplier-spirit-aerosystems-has-died/

https://nypost.com/2024/05/04/us-news/boeing-faces-10-more-whistleblowers-after-two-die/

A lot of work to do...

[magnemoe]

On 5/3/2024 at 12:44 AM, PakledHostage said:

Being a whistle-blower would be extremely stressful.  That's sure to have mental amd physical health implications. One doesn't need to subscribe to conspiracy theories to find plausible explanations for these unfortunate deaths.

This, its very rare for large public traded companies to assassinate someone, as it who would sign that order? Same with direct damaging an competitor equipment. 
And if your told to sign you ask for an order to do so. 
Now it can be people lower down covering their wrongdoings.

[StrandedonEarth]

The saga continues....

https://www.theguardian.com/business/article/2024/jun/01/boeing-safety-crisis-response-union-busting

[Codraroll]

6 hours ago, StrandedonEarth said:

The saga continues....

https://www.theguardian.com/business/article/2024/jun/01/boeing-safety-crisis-response-union-busting

Boeing: "Okay, so we're in a bit of a pickle at the moment, but if we just introduce a bit more business management people in the production line and push our workers a little bit harder, while loosing a few more regulatorial screws, we think this can work out just fine!"

Edited June 2 by Codraroll

[mikegarrison]

Boeing claims the decision to move 787 production to South Carolina was not union-busting, except an exec for the company literally said it was, back about 15 years ago. He was boasting about it to South Carolina politicians.

It's illegal in the US to move work away from a union plant specifically to punish the union. Of course it is done, but as long as you don't openly SAY it, it's hard to do anything about it. But Boeing execs openly SAID that they were doing this illegal thing.

So the unions took them to the NLRB's labor court, and Boeing lost. Boeing appealed, and lost. Appealed again, and lost. Eventually they got the union to drop the complaint as part of a negotiation of a new contract.

[Shpaget]

Boeing grounds its 777x test fleet after finding a severed thrust link (part of the engine mount) following a 5 hour test flight. Inspection of the other two test aircrafts finds cracks in both aircraft. There are two such links for each engine (for redundancy). It's not clear if cracks appear on both links.

According to https://aviationweek.com/air-transport/aircraft-propulsion/boeing-halts-777-9-certification-tests-engine-mount-checks it's a Boeing designed part, not General Electric.

Edited August 22 by Shpaget

[Nightside]

Should I change the title of this topic to Boeing in general ? Or is there already another Boeing post?

[Kerbart]

I guess it's best not to fly? Many people told me in the past that Airbusses are inherently unsafe, and one should only trust their life to a Boeing. That doesn't seem an option either now?

[Codraroll]

4 hours ago, Nightside said:

Should I change the title of this topic to Boeing in general ? Or is there already another Boeing post?

Your call as the thread owner. I think I'd take out the "737 Max" bit and just leave the rest. "The saga continues" is an apt summary of the situation Boeing is in, really.

[PakledHostage]

The pylons on Boeing aircraft are a nightmare. They have been since well before the merger with McDonnel Douglas that gets all the blame for the company's current woes.  Look at the list of structural airworthiness directives on just about any of their types and you'll see that a disproportionate number of them are ATA 54 (pylons). They use a variation on the same design for all their types, and it has the same problems on all of them.

But having said that, I will also say again that it's easy for laypeople to jump all over Boeing in response to any little story they read in the media. It's harder to process those stories in proper context. Every type has maintenance issues.  Service bulletins and airworthiness directives get issued for all of them. Sometimes those airworthiness directives even require that work be done prior to further flight. Almost all the time, those maintenence directives go unnoticed by the general public. But in the case of Boeing these days, people treat any little wrinkle as a major moral failure by the company.  In this case, the problem is happening on a type that's still in flight testing and that hasn't yet entered service. That's when you're supposed to find problems. They found the problem, they're going to fix it.

Edited August 22 by PakledHostage