The Moon to Mars blueprint:

[StrandedonEarth]

https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/atoms/files/m2m_strategy_and_objectives_development.pdf

Had to post it first; now I'm going to read it and comment later.

[SunlitZelkova]

Oh my god, is that Callisto in the “Future Destinations” section of the Moon To Mars Scope?

Edit- This doesn’t look like a blueprint, it’s more of a blueprint for making a blueprint.

Edited April 19, 2023 by SunlitZelkova

[AtomicTech]

Fingers crossed that this comes with the funding to do this...

[Superfluous J]

And they said (of 90% of my KSP craft) that landing on the engine bell wasn't realistic!

[Shpaget]

2 hours ago, SunlitZelkova said:

is that Callisto in the “Future Destinations”

Don't know about the small smooth massively upscaled ball, but the high resolution one with the straight lines is Europa.

[tater]

Wow. Hot garbage.

They show the Moon—and show numerous, NOT Human Landing System of Record. You'd think they might consider the vehicle they actually picked, the one maybe launching in 2 days? Maybe?

[kerbiloid]

1 hour ago, Shpaget said:

Don't know about the small smooth massively upscaled ball, but the high resolution one with the straight lines is Europa.

It's a Europa shot from Callisto surface.

[Piscator]

If you're talking about the featureless orange ball on page six, I'm pretty sure that's supposed to be Titan.

[Shpaget]

3 minutes ago, Piscator said:

If you're talking about the featureless orange ball on page six, I'm pretty sure that's supposed to be Titan.

In that case, a "Not even close to scale" disclaimer would have been quite appropriate.

[kerbiloid]

20 minutes ago, Piscator said:

If you're talking about the featureless orange ball on page six, I'm pretty sure that's supposed to be Titan.

It's zoomed Jupiter. Europa is a moon of it.

Edited April 19, 2023 by kerbiloid

[StrandedonEarth]

7 hours ago, tater said:

Wow. Hot garbage.

Isn't it though? A whole lot of navel-gazing justification for the carefully launcher-agnostic plan. Any details were buried so deeply I missed them. Probably in the second half, which was all appendices....

[mikegarrison]

9 hours ago, Superfluous J said:

And they said (of 90% of my KSP craft) that landing on the engine bell wasn't realistic!

If it works in KSP, it must be legit.

[SunlitZelkova]

11 hours ago, Piscator said:

If you're talking about the featureless orange ball on page six, I'm pretty sure that's supposed to be Titan.

13 hours ago, kerbiloid said:

It's a Europa shot from Callisto surface.

15 hours ago, Shpaget said:

Don't know about the small smooth massively upscaled ball, but the high resolution one with the straight lines is Europa.

Strange considering Europa’s radiation levels make it unfeasible for human exploration.

The only crewed Jupiter mission architecture in existence has humans going to Callisto and then teleoperating probes on Europa.

[mikegarrison]

On page 6, the grey/brown sphere just below the hazy orange one is 100% definitely Europa. The hazy orange one could be many things, but I would guess Titan.

 

[kerbiloid]

1 hour ago, SunlitZelkova said:

Strange considering Europa’s radiation levels make it unfeasible for human exploration.

The only crewed Jupiter mission architecture in existence has humans going to Callisto and then teleoperating probes on Europa.

High lithobraking speed both makes infiltration faster (and thus protects from excessive radiation dose) and allows to enter the subglacial ocean without mining procedures.