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[Space Kerbalisation Tech]

random question, but are you planning to make more near future/far future mods?

 

Edited September 12, 2021 by Space Kerbalisation Tech

[Starhelperdude]

1 hour ago, Space Kerbalisation Tech said:

random question, but are you planning to make more near future/far future mods?

 

IMO it would be better to update existing NF mods and then maybe move on to never projects

[Rakete]

2 hours ago, Starhelperdude said:

maybe move on to newer projects

Random idea: Somehow I feel an autodestruct mod would be nice. Some mechanism to blow things up in space or on ground. Why not push a big red button and make an old duna ground station blow up in really nice big fireworks with a nice mushroom cloud from an exploding NFE-Reactor instead of leaving debris all over the place? Somehow I feel a molten reactorcore should have more consequences than just having a powersupply stopping to work. (And yes, I know: Chernobyl and also Fukushima Daichi didn't blow up in a nuclear blast, but in an accumulation of H2/O2 gas mix - but KSP is just a game.)

Just a funny idea.  Kerbals loooove fireworks. Or... at least I do...

Edited September 12, 2021 by Rakete

[Zelda]

50 minutes ago, Rakete said:

Random idea: Somehow I feel an autodestruct mod would be nice. Some mechanism to blow things up in space or on ground. Why not push a big red button and make an old duna ground station blow up in really nice big fireworks with a nice mushroom cloud from an exploding NFE-Reactor instead of leaving debris all over the place? Somehow I feel a molten reactorcore should have more consequences than just having a powersupply stopping to work. (And yes, I know: Chernobyl and also Fukushima Daichi didn't blow up in a nuclear blast, but in an accumulation of H2/O2 gas mix - but KSP is just a game.)

Just a funny idea.  Kerbals loooove fireworks. Or... at least I do...

There's actually a mod that does exactly this, and LGG has updated it to 1.12! 

 

[Rakete]

10 minutes ago, Zelda said:

There's actually a mod that does exactly this, and LGG has updated it to 1.12! 

 

Didn't know this mod. Thx. Might consider to install this.

 

Anyways, I still think a molten reactor core of the NFE reactors should have some consequences for the ship. But that's just my two cents. 

[Cochies]

Greetings.
Are there any plans to correct the direction of the RCS in capsules from the NFSpacecraft?
The center of thrust of the PPD-1 is strongly displaced from the center of mass, which makes it difficult to use.
Mk3 (Crew Dragon) nozzles are directed in such a way that they make it very inconvenient to use this capsule separately without additional RCS modules.
Sadly. Cool details. But they are too inconvenient. I do not want to replace them with something, but I have to do it.

[Nertea]

12 hours ago, Space Kerbalisation Tech said:

random question, but are you planning to make more near future/far future mods?

 

Nope.

6 hours ago, Cochies said:

Greetings.
Are there any plans to correct the direction of the RCS in capsules from the NFSpacecraft?
The center of thrust of the PPD-1 is strongly displaced from the center of mass, which makes it difficult to use.
Mk3 (Crew Dragon) nozzles are directed in such a way that they make it very inconvenient to use this capsule separately without additional RCS modules.
Sadly. Cool details. But they are too inconvenient. I do not want to replace them with something, but I have to do it.

They are pretty fine. They provide fully balanced +/- Z translation as well as full rotation. It's not reasonable to expect them to provide balanced X/Y translation without additional thrusters because craft are varied in length and CofM. 

[Cochies]

9 hours ago, Nertea said:

They are pretty fine. They provide fully balanced +/- Z translation as well as full rotation. It's not reasonable to expect them to provide balanced X/Y translation without additional thrusters because craft are varied in length and CofM. 

The main problem is not the balance in relation to the  CoM.
The problem is that if you balance the thrust with additional RCS blocks, then when moving along X-Y there is a strong  thrust along Z.
Perhaps you are right as an author, perhaps someone is using the capsule RCS as it is and he likes it. But in my experience of use, the simplest solution is to turn off the capsule RCS and place some other RCS blocks on their surface.
It looks terrible. But at least it somehow works.

[Rakete]

Some random question: Some chance a revamp of the NF Aeronautics parts being on the agenda ? Somehow they look a bit... aged. and not as sexy as the rest of the NF mods. (not a priority, just a curios question)

Some random question 2: whats planned after the upcoming NFE-Update? I am really a fan of your great work! Your stuff makes KSP a whole better game. Really looking forward to the new NFE reactors.

Random idea: Somehow we could need some more high demanding energy sinks/consumers than only propulsion systems and converters. Some huge laser thingys or stuff like this. I'm not sure what to do with it, but having something to put all the energy in, except propulsion devices would be somehow nice... Some reason to put a nice big bad boy of reactor core in a spacestation in order to power something impressive, that's not an engine and only for stations. some big evil burning luminescent plasma experiment or something like this, that needs high amounts of energy for days or weeks. Maybe some nice idea of a nice evil futuristic (FFT) energy consumer comes up here. Or a wireless energy transfer dish to multiple vessels/ground stations, eg. by a big laser or microwave or fun stuff like that... (i'm kinda thinking of the james bond movie with hally berry) just an idea. 

Edited September 13, 2021 by Rakete

[theJesuit]

32 minutes ago, Rakete said:

Some random question: Some chance a revamp of the NF Aeronautics parts being on the agenda ? Somehow they look a bit... aged. and not as sexy as the rest of the NF mods. (not a priority, just a curios question)

Some random question 2: whats planned after the upcoming NFE-Update? I am really a fan of your great work! Your stuff makes KSP a whole better game. Really looking forward to the new NFE reactors.

Random idea: Somehow we could need some more high demanding energy sinks/consumers than only propulsion systems and converters. Some huge laser thingys or stuff like this. I'm not sure what to do with it, but having something to put all the energy in, except propulsion devices would be somehow nice... Some reason to put a nice big bad boy of reactor core in a spacestation in order to power something impressive, that's not an engine and only for stations. some big evil burning luminescent plasma experiment or something like this, that needs high amounts of energy for days or weeks. Maybe some nice idea of a nice evil futuristic (FFT) energy consumer comes up here. Or a wireless energy transfer dish to multiple vessels/ground stations, eg. by a big laser or microwave or fun stuff like that... (i'm kinda thinking of the james bond movie with hally berry) just an idea. 

An experiment is a great idea! 

[CDSlice]

2 hours ago, Rakete said:

Random idea: Somehow we could need some more high demanding energy sinks/consumers than only propulsion systems and converters. Some huge laser thingys or stuff like this. I'm not sure what to do with it, but having something to put all the energy in, except propulsion devices would be somehow nice... Some reason to put a nice big bad boy of reactor core in a spacestation in order to power something impressive, that's not an engine and only for stations. some big evil burning luminescent plasma experiment or something like this, that needs high amounts of energy for days or weeks. Maybe some nice idea of a nice evil futuristic (FFT) energy consumer comes up here. Or a wireless energy transfer dish to multiple vessels/ground stations, eg. by a big laser or microwave or fun stuff like that... (i'm kinda thinking of the james bond movie with hally berry) just an idea. 

There is the antimatter factory in FFT that takes up a ton of energy. 

[Terrestris]

@Rakete

 I don't think there will be new content for NF/FF anymore. KSP 2 will release next year if everything goes as plan and won't be supporting mods for KSP 1.

Laser and light sail had featured in other mods, I remember Nertea said he don't want to replicate things alredy exist or overlapping with KSP 2.

[Nertea]

21 hours ago, Cochies said:

The main problem is not the balance in relation to the  CoM.
The problem is that if you balance the thrust with additional RCS blocks, then when moving along X-Y there is a strong  thrust along Z.
Perhaps you are right as an author, perhaps someone is using the capsule RCS as it is and he likes it. But in my experience of use, the simplest solution is to turn off the capsule RCS and place some other RCS blocks on their surface.
It looks terrible. But at least it somehow works.

I didn't see this in testing 5 minutes ago. I put 4x quad blocks on an engine below the dragonesque capsule and teleported to orbit, translating in any direction caused no rotation with SAS on. Perhaps you can share a craft image that causes this?

7 hours ago, Rakete said:

Some random question: Some chance a revamp of the NF Aeronautics parts being on the agenda ? Somehow they look a bit... aged. and not as sexy as the rest of the NF mods. (not a priority, just a curios question)

Some random question 2: whats planned after the upcoming NFE-Update? I am really a fan of your great work! Your stuff makes KSP a whole better game. Really looking forward to the new NFE reactors.

Random idea: Somehow we could need some more high demanding energy sinks/consumers than only propulsion systems and converters. Some huge laser thingys or stuff like this. I'm not sure what to do with it, but having something to put all the energy in, except propulsion devices would be somehow nice... Some reason to put a nice big bad boy of reactor core in a spacestation in order to power something impressive, that's not an engine and only for stations. some big evil burning luminescent plasma experiment or something like this, that needs high amounts of energy for days or weeks. Maybe some nice idea of a nice evil futuristic (FFT) energy consumer comes up here. Or a wireless energy transfer dish to multiple vessels/ground stations, eg. by a big laser or microwave or fun stuff like that... (i'm kinda thinking of the james bond movie with hally berry) just an idea. 

Well I'm ramping down all KSP mod work these days and am unlikely to do any more content for any mods in the near future, so... that's what is planned. Will try to cleanup some bugs and stuff but that's it. 

[SpaceFace545]

1 minute ago, Nertea said:

Well I'm ramping down all KSP mod work these days and am unlikely to do any more content for any mods in the near future, so... that's what is planned. Will try to cleanup some bugs and stuff but that's it. 

Makes sense, KSP2 maybe is right around the corner so any work now could just become irrelevant in several months. Their also may be something going on between you and that dev team so yeah 

[rocketman525]

One of the pictures in the near future launch vehicles album features the 3.75 M crew parts in a grey and yellow color game, similar to the hub max in the stock game. How is this color scheme accessed? 

Thanks!

 

[Judicator81]

56 minutes ago, rocketman525 said:

One of the pictures in the near future launch vehicles album features the 3.75 M crew parts in a grey and yellow color game, similar to the hub max in the stock game. How is this color scheme accessed?

Many parts in SSPx mod have "metallic surface" variants. They are available in parts' PAW menu in VAB/hangar.

[sturmhauke]

Thank you @Nertea for all your awesome mods. I understand it's the end of an era, so here's to the next one!

[Rakete]

I agree, thank you @Nertea for all your great mods. It‘s really the end of an era. Thank you for all the things you gave to us. Maybe KSP2 is around the corner, maybe not. Who knows… Anyway, you made KSP a whole different game, at least for me. I hardly believe, that KSP2 will reach the quality (at least at release) and quantity of possibilities, which KSP 1 with all your mods did.

And if you get bored of retirement at some point and want to unexpectedly do another mod, we‘ll be right here to help in testing and debugging. Same goes for the rest of the ramping down period.

I don‘t agree, that your content might become irrelevant after the KSP2 release. I strongly believe that KSP 1 will have a longer life, than we all expect. Not all of us have strong machines, that will cope with KSP2 in terms of high part counts etc. if i have the choice between playing KSP2 with shiny new graphics (naaa, not so impressive right now) and only be able to basic crafts or have the choice to play KSP 1 with all the fantastic Nertea mods plus some visuals like EVE and Spectra and can do bigger complex things; than I would still continue to play KSP1 rather than KSP2. I don‘t expect KSP 2 to be much superior in terms of hardware munching and efficient coding. 

Edited September 14, 2021 by Rakete

[Terrestris]

3 hours ago, SpaceFace545 said:

Their also may be something going on between you and that dev team so yeah 

I am curious. 

32 minutes ago, Rakete said:

I strongly believe that KSP 1 will have a longer life, than we all expect. Not all of us have strong machines, that will cope with KSP2 in terms of high part counts etc.

I hold the opposite. It seems that the dev team has put a lot of effort into optimizing physics. KPS2 may perform better than KSP in low graphic setting on potato machine.

But if KSP2 disappoints everyone, then KSP will live forever.

Edited September 14, 2021 by Dr.Lxweei

[Rakete]

I hope the Ksp 2 teams has Nerteas Mods on their radar and maybe offer to integrate the great stuff directly into KSP 2 for some nice payment. Leaving behind so much great work would be a shame.

[Cochies]

3 hours ago, Nertea said:

I didn't see this in testing 5 minutes ago. I put 4x quad blocks on an engine below the dragonesque capsule and teleported to orbit, translating in any direction caused no rotation with SAS on. Perhaps you can share a craft image that causes this?

 

For example like this:
RCS are balanced.
I'm trying to shift to the right (red)
Stock RCS belt creates thrust to the right (green)
But the total thrust of the RCS capsule is directed not to the right, but to the right and forward (yellow)
Because of this, a completely unnecessary forward acceleration is created (blue).

Balancing the RCS so that its operation does not cause rotation is not difficult. But the extra thrust forward is very harmful.

[Nertea]

8 hours ago, Cochies said:

 

For example like this:
RCS are balanced.
I'm trying to shift to the right (red)
Stock RCS belt creates thrust to the right (green)
But the total thrust of the RCS capsule is directed not to the right, but to the right and forward (yellow)
Because of this, a completely unnecessary forward acceleration is created (blue).

Balancing the RCS so that its operation does not cause rotation is not difficult. But the extra thrust forward is very harmful.

Thanks for clarifying, I'll look into this.

[Rakete]

9 hours ago, Cochies said:

For example like this:
RCS are balanced.
I'm trying to shift to the right (red)
Stock RCS belt creates thrust to the right (green)
But the total thrust of the RCS capsule is directed not to the right, but to the right and forward (yellow)
Because of this, a completely unnecessary forward acceleration is created (blue).

Balancing the RCS so that its operation does not cause rotation is not difficult. But the extra thrust forward is very harmful.

The explanation is obvious. Look a the RCS exhaust angles. The part of the thrust in forward direction is an trigonometric function of the vector addition of both exhaust jets. In the shown screenshot the Z-components of both jets do not compensate, given that both exhaustjets of the capsule have identical thrust.

There are only two ways of fixing: correction of one of the two jet angles to mirror the other one OR adjust the strengh of the thrust to match the z-component of the other jet, resulting in other imbalances, I think.

Not an easy descision as changing the angle might not match the capsule model with its exhaust openings.

Edited September 14, 2021 by Rakete

[SpaceFace545]

18 hours ago, rocketman525 said:

One of the pictures in the near future launch vehicles album features the 3.75 M crew parts in a grey and yellow color game, similar to the hub max in the stock game. How is this color scheme accessed? 

when downloading SSPXR you'll see an extras folder, just copy in those.

[Spaceman.Spiff]

1 hour ago, SpaceFace545 said:

when downloading SSPXR you'll see an extras folder, just copy in those.

nope. it is included in SSPXR by default since the 2.0.0 update

 

Edited September 15, 2021 by Spaceman.Spiff