[1.x+] Community Resource Pack

[PTNLemay]

@goldenpsp

I see... so I'll just have to keep an eye out.  It sounds like TAC LS might need it, but it's not ready for 1.1 yet.  

Thanks for the quick answer!

Edited April 30, 2016 by PTNLemay

[ShotgunNinja]

Hi, I was wondering if it would be okay for a mod to require CRP, but also to redefine the used resources (with the same values) as a fallback in case the user doesn't have CRP.

[NathanKell]

If you require something, doesn't that by definition mean either (a) the user will have the mod, or (b) bad things will happen? Isn't the fallback "break"? :]

[ShotgunNinja]

@NathanKell Make sense. Got to break savegames there is no alternative. I have another question: can I assume 'density' is in tons/liters when not specified? Eg: can I assume density  volume is 1.0 if not specified? Thanks

Edited May 1, 2016 by ShotgunNinja

[NathanKell]

@ShotgunNinja without a resource present even the loading screen will break, IIRC, but IMO that is better than having local fallbacks. Yes, tonnes/L is a reasonable assumption, though invalid for stock resources. If density is not specified then something is very, very wrong.

[ShotgunNinja]

@NathanKell Sorry, i meant 'volume'... The last question would have been "Can I assume volume is 1.0 if not specified?"

[NathanKell]

@ShotgunNinja Ohh! Looks like the default for volume in KSP is 5, so alas no.

[StevieC]

uh, is there a KSP 1.1.2 compatible release of CRP yet on GitHub? Trying to install some mods but they keep listing this one as a dependency.

[Starstrider42]

It looks like RoverDude updated the compatibility data 2 hours after your post.

Edited May 3, 2016 by Starstrider42

[ShotgunNinja]

@NathanKell, @RoverDude I released an updated version of Kerbalism that use CRP values for Food and Oxygen. I got rid of Waste altogheter. I'm still defining Food and Water in this version (with identical values to CRP) to ease the transition, as the alternative would have made Kerbalism impossible to install by CKAN (as it would have required CRP, while at the same time CRP is flagging it as a conflict). The plan is to remove the Food/Oxygen definitions and flag CRP as a dependency starting from the next version, 0.9.9.6.

Edited May 7, 2016 by ShotgunNinja

[RoverDude]

Sounds good, I'll remove the flag when I am on something other than a mobile device (gig in brooklyn tonight)

[Aceoaces]

On 5/8/2016 at 5:47 PM, RoverDude said:

Sounds good, I'll remove the flag when I am on something other than a mobile device (gig in brooklyn tonight)

The "Disrupt NY 2016 Hackathon"?

[RoverDude]

Nope, indie rock   Had a fun show this weekend

[FreeThinker]

Oh, just noticed that resources have volume now, I will update all KSPI resources.

Edit: I made a pull request at https://github.com/BobPalmer/CommunityResourcePack/pull/92

Edited May 14, 2016 by FreeThinker

[RoverDude]

0.5.2 - 2016.05.14
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Added Volume and reverted UF4 and ThF4 to original KSPI density & cost
Added Volume property to other resources used by KSPI
Added default volume to other CRP resources
 

[FreeThinker]

On 1-5-2016 at 11:32 PM, NathanKell said:

@ShotgunNinja Ohh! Looks like the default for volume in KSP is 5, so alas no.

What about etherical resources like ElectricCharge and Wasteheat. Should their volume be defined as 0. Or would that cause divide by 0 errors?

Edited May 17, 2016 by FreeThinker

[brusura]

Just downloaded it and now I have a lot of new resources in the scanner, but when I switch from surface > ocean > Atmos the respective resources in their realm just keep adding I was expecting to see in sruface only surface resource and so on , also I have a double XenonGas resource listed, ah and also the cuttoff work a little different from stock, at 70% for example ore on the mun is the maximum concentration while with crp I can go up to 90% without any change in the overlay , is this changed from stock also? and how is it calculated?

 

Edited May 21, 2016 by brusura

[FreeThinker]

Many atmosphere contain Nitrogen Dioxide, for some almost completely like Titan, Triton and Pluto. I propose we add it as a resource. At least I want to be able to add it to KSPI-E atmosphere definition file to accurately represent the moons atmosphere. The Gas can then be decomposed into Nitrogen and Oxygen. It's also an important gas in many ISRU chemical reactions.

Edit: forget about Nitrogen Dioxide, I was misinformed

Edited June 16, 2016 by FreeThinker

[RoverDude]

@brusura - cutoff is relative, uses the stock system.

No idea how you are getting two definitions...

@FreeThinker - send the config as a pull request.

[Starstrider42]

6 hours ago, FreeThinker said:

Many atmosphere contain Nitrogen Dioxide, for some almost completely like Titan, Triton and Pluto. I propose we add it as a resource. At least I want to be able to add it to KSPI-E atmosphere definition file to accurately represent the moons atmosphere. The Gas can then be decomposed into Nitrogen and Oxygen. It's also an important gas in many ISRU chemical reactions

I think you mean nitrogen? I'm not aware of any real or theoretical atmosphere where NO₂ is a major constituent.

[brusura]

@RoverDude

strange that you are not getting the double definition, I have also reproduced it on a stock installation with only CRP, do you think my savegame could help?

[JPLRepo]

@RoverDude how do i get my mods to play CRP. Ie. They all define their own resources now. But I'd like to add them into the CRP mix instead. Can I add resources like "Glykerol" - the magical substance my DeepFreeze mod uses to freeze Kerbals. And so on? What's the process? 

[goldenpsp]

14 minutes ago, JPLRepo said:

@RoverDude how do i get my mods to play CRP. Ie. They all define their own resources now. But I'd like to add them into the CRP mix instead. Can I add resources like "Glykerol" - the magical substance my DeepFreeze mod uses to freeze Kerbals. And so on? What's the process? 

I'm not @Roverdude, but that won't stop my response anyhow 

You can utilize CRP for any resources it may contain.  Include it and utilize their definitions.  There isn't any need to add something like your "Glykerol" to CRP and it probably wouldn't be appropriate.

The main goal of CRP is to help in cases where mods use the same resources so they don't stomp on each other.  For example back in the day, you had 3 mods, MKS, TAC-LS, and Interstellar, which all used "water".  But each mods "water" was defined separately so if you went to mine "Water" on say the Mun, you got three different water resources, none of which were compatible with each other.

That being said, there isn't a need to put in one off "magical" resources that aren't used across multiple mods.  You can utilized both CRP and non CRP resources at the same time.

 

[JPLRepo]

5 hours ago, goldenpsp said:

I'm not @Roverdude, but that won't stop my response anyhow 

You can utilize CRP for any resources it may contain.  Include it and utilize their definitions.  There isn't any need to add something like your "Glykerol" to CRP and it probably wouldn't be appropriate.

The main goal of CRP is to help in cases where mods use the same resources so they don't stomp on each other.  For example back in the day, you had 3 mods, MKS, TAC-LS, and Interstellar, which all used "water".  But each mods "water" was defined separately so if you went to mine "Water" on say the Mun, you got three different water resources, none of which were compatible with each other.

That being said, there isn't a need to put in one off "magical" resources that aren't used across multiple mods.  You can utilized both CRP and non CRP resources at the same time.

 

Thank you for your input. and I know how resources work. I was asking @RoverDude if CRP entertains the idea of other resources. My "Glykerol" is a bad example I know, but still worth asking given what the purpose of CRP is, another mod probably wouldn't use it. The one I am really interested in seeing in CRP is my "ReservePower" resource that my AmpYear mod defines. But yes I know there is a "StoredCharge" that NFT uses that is almost if not the same that CRP does have defined. It was just an idea I had given I've had several incidents where a user removes my AmpYear mod and the resource disappears. There are many stock bugs that appear that don't like it when a resource disappears from a save game. Anyway, let's see what @RoverDude has to say. Probably the right answer is, I can look to change my AmpYear mod to use the already defined "StoredCharge" resource in CRP (and that's a fair bit of work, and game broken for existing saves), or I just leave things the way they are.

[RoverDude]

Generally our preference is for mods who hop on board to compromise and take on the CRP equivalents (it's what makes the whole thing work).  And we also prefer to see resources used across more than one mod before adding them.

And yeah, the right answer is to switch to a CRP resource - a lot of us went through save breaks (Kerbalism recently went through this as well), but the final interop is pretty nice