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9 minutes ago, DStaal said:

NO! ':FOR' *creates* the mod, it's not a conditional.  It should *never* be used by other mods who want to call a mod.  It's main use is for things like the USI or WBI suites of mods, where multiple mods are in one folder, as it allows MM to reference those sub-mods that don't have either their own top-level folder or a .dll.

That's not my understanding from the wiki.  I thought :FOR is a part of the ordering pass (1st - no directive (aka LEGACY), 2nd - FIRST, 3rd - BEFORE/FOR/AFTER, 4th FINAL) in which MMConfigs are applied.

To my understanding, using the :FOR directive means that a patch is applied IF the mod exists.

This:

+PART[MyPart]

{

name = MyNewPart

}

creates a new part called MyNewPart from MyPart all the time.

Adding the :FOR directive like this:

+PART[MyPart]:FOR[SomeMod]

creates the part MyNewPart from MyPart ONLY if SomeMod is installed because otherwise, the patch will error and no new part is created.

Am I off?

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30 minutes ago, blowfish said:

The simplest thing to do is just to upload your log.  There's a lot in there, but myself and others who have experience doing this can find what we need to pretty quickly.  Also worth making sure all your mods are up to date - many have been updated for this in the last few days.

Whish I could. Here one cannot upload files. 

 

Maybe this works magically, without makiing all my files readable.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/r0gytw9z7la8o36/KSP.log?dl=0

 

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On 12/7/2017 at 9:07 AM, sarbian said:

"This means that FOOBAR[*] will not select all nodes of type FOOBAR, but all nodes of type FOOBAR which have a defined "name" field. (If you want to select all FOOBAR nodes, use FOOBAR,*.)"

I am trying to go through all my installed mods that have errors starting with GPOSpeedpump because it has a bunch of errors.

The quote above leads me to believe that changing a [*] to a ,* would likely fix a line like:

@PART[*]:HAS[@MODULE[InterstellarFuelSwitch],!MODULE[GPOSpeedPump]]:FOR[GPOSpeedFuelPump]:FINAL

if I change it to:

@PART,*:HAS[@MODULE[InterstellarFuelSwitch],!MODULE[GPOSpeedPump]]:FOR[GPOSpeedFuelPump]:FINAL

Am I correct?

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Just now, AngrybobH said:

I am trying to go through all my installed mods that have errors starting with GPOSpeedpump because it has a bunch of errors.

The quote above leads me to believe that changing a [*] to a ,* would likely fix a line like:

@PART[*]:HAS[@MODULE[InterstellarFuelSwitch],!MODULE[GPOSpeedPump]]:FOR[GPOSpeedFuelPump]:FINAL

if I change it to:

@PART,*:HAS[@MODULE[InterstellarFuelSwitch],!MODULE[GPOSpeedPump]]:FOR[GPOSpeedFuelPump]:FINAL

Am I correct?

@PART[*] works fine, because each PART node will always have a name value (or KSP will not compile the part).  However, @PART:HAS[...] will work fine, you only need the ,* on subnodes, since by default it will only apply to the first one.  The problem we found here was with EXPERIMENT_DEFINITION, since those don't have a name value.

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1 minute ago, blowfish said:

@PART[*] works fine, because each PART node will always have a name value (or KSP will not compile the part).  However, @PART:HAS[...] will work fine, you only need the ,* on subnodes, since by default it will only apply to the first one.  The problem we found here was with EXPERIMENT_DEFINITION, since those don't have a name value.

Ok. Thank you. I'm trying to do some of my own debugging which includes learning just about everything I need to know about modding this game. Any suggestions on why this file gets an error?

// Interstellar Fuel Switch support
@PART[*]:HAS[@MODULE[InterstellarFuelSwitch],!MODULE[GPOSpeedPump]]:FOR[GPOSpeedFuelPump]:FINAL
{
	MODULE
	{
		name = GPOSpeedPump
	}
}

// Firespitter fuel switch support
@PART[*]:HAS[@MODULE[FSfuelSwitch],!MODULE[GPOSpeedPump]]:FOR[GPOSpeedFuelPump]:FINAL
{
	MODULE
	{
		name = GPOSpeedPump
	}
}

// B9 fuel switch support
@PART[*]:HAS[@MODULE[ModuleB9PartSwitch],!MODULE[GPOSpeedPump]]:FOR[GPOSpeedFuelPump]:AFTER[zzz_CryoTanks]:FINAL
{
	MODULE
	{
		name = GPOSpeedPump
	}
}
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5 minutes ago, New Horizons said:

Did it!

Thanks!

I see errors from RealPlume-StockConfigs and SETI.  The RealPlume-Stock errors have been fixed in 1.0.1, so be sure to update.  I've reported the SETI error in the thread but no response from the author yet (and can't make sense of which Github repositories correspond to what so I can't submit a fix myself).

2 minutes ago, AngrybobH said:

Ok. Thank you. I'm trying to do some of my own debugging which includes learning just about everything I need to know about modding this game. Any suggestions on why this file gets an error?

// Interstellar Fuel Switch support
@PART[*]:HAS[@MODULE[InterstellarFuelSwitch],!MODULE[GPOSpeedPump]]:FOR[GPOSpeedFuelPump]:FINAL
{
	MODULE
	{
		name = GPOSpeedPump
	}
}

// Firespitter fuel switch support
@PART[*]:HAS[@MODULE[FSfuelSwitch],!MODULE[GPOSpeedPump]]:FOR[GPOSpeedFuelPump]:FINAL
{
	MODULE
	{
		name = GPOSpeedPump
	}
}

// B9 fuel switch support
@PART[*]:HAS[@MODULE[ModuleB9PartSwitch],!MODULE[GPOSpeedPump]]:FOR[GPOSpeedFuelPump]:AFTER[zzz_CryoTanks]:FINAL
{
	MODULE
	{
		name = GPOSpeedPump
	}
}

:FOR[GPOSpeedFuelPump]:FINAL, :FOR[GPOSpeedFuelPump]:FINAL, :AFTER[zzz_CryoTanks]:FINAL are all specifying two passes.  ModuleManager has only ever applied the patch in one pass, so it was previously meaningless (and now an error) to provide more than one.

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Just now, New Horizons said:

With other words: Things as this with two ":" are not allowed anymore?

@PART[jx2LDA]:FOR[Kerbalism]:AFTER[JX2Antenna]

Correct, any combination of more than one :FOR, :BEFORE, :AFTER, :FIRST, :FINAL is not allowed.  But again, it wasn't really meaningful even in previous versions of MM, it would always use the first one and ignore any others.

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33 minutes ago, TranceaddicT said:

That's not my understanding from the wiki.  I thought :FOR is a part of the ordering pass (1st - no directive (aka LEGACY), 2nd - FIRST, 3rd - BEFORE/FOR/AFTER, 4th FINAL) in which MMConfigs are applied.

To my understanding, using the :FOR directive means that a patch is applied IF the mod exists.

This:

+PART[MyPart]

{

name = MyNewPart

}

creates a new part called MyNewPart from MyPart all the time.

Adding the :FOR directive like this:

+PART[MyPart]:FOR[SomeMod]

creates the part MyNewPart from MyPart ONLY if SomeMod is installed because otherwise, the patch will error and no new part is created.

Am I off?

You are off.  Yes, FOR is part of the ordering pass - but that's *because* it creates the mod in question.  So you get patches BEFORE the mod, FOR the mod, and then AFTER the mod.  Both of your statements will (attempt) to create the part MyPart all the time.  (And will likely throw an error if SomeMod is not installed.)

If you want to apply some patch only if SomeMod is installed, you would use ':NEEDS[SomeMod]'.  Getting FOR and NEEDS mixed up is the *most* common error I've seen in MM patches, and the one most likely to cause unrelated or weird issues.  (As it causes issues in *other* mods which are using everything correctly, but only in the presence of your mod and not the mod you're trying to conditionally depend on.)

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2 minutes ago, New Horizons said:

With other words: Things as this with two ":" are not allowed anymore?

@PART[jx2LDA]:FOR[Kerbalism]:AFTER[JX2Antenna]

 

Per my discussion with TranceaddicT - Try this instead, I believe this will work, and do what you likely actually intend:

@PART[jx2LDA]:NEEDS[Kerbalism]:AFTER[JX2Antenna] 

 

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11 minutes ago, DStaal said:

You are off.  Yes, FOR is part of the ordering pass - but that's *because* it creates the mod in question.  So you get patches BEFORE the mod, FOR the mod, and then AFTER the mod.  Both of your statements will (attempt) to create the part MyPart all the time.  (And will likely throw an error if SomeMod is not installed.)

If you want to apply some patch only if SomeMod is installed, you would use ':NEEDS[SomeMod]'.  Getting FOR and NEEDS mixed up is the *most* common error I've seen in MM patches, and the one most likely to cause unrelated or weird issues.  (As it causes issues in *other* mods which are using everything correctly, but only in the presence of your mod and not the mod you're trying to conditionally depend on.)

Thank you.  I've been conflating NEEDS/FOR for a long time.  Wow, that just makes things so much better.

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So this worked out and got rid of 3 errors and fixed some issues I had with GPO. I changed what I had posted before to:

@PART[*]:HAS[@MODULE[InterstellarFuelSwitch],!MODULE[GPOSpeedPump]]:NEEDS[GPOSpeedFuelPump]:AFTER[InterstellarFuelSwitch]
{
	MODULE
	{
		name = GPOSpeedPump
	}
}

// Firespitter fuel switch support
@PART[*]:HAS[@MODULE[FSfuelSwitch],!MODULE[GPOSpeedPump]]:NEEDS[GPOSpeedFuelPump]:AFTER[FSfuelSwitch]
{
	MODULE
	{
		name = GPOSpeedPump
	}
}

// B9 fuel switch support
@PART[*]:HAS[@MODULE[ModuleB9PartSwitch],!MODULE[GPOSpeedPump]]:NEEDS[GPOSpeedFuelPump]:AFTER[zzz_CryoTanks]
{
	MODULE
	{
		name = GPOSpeedPump
	}
}

 

It also makes more sense to me. Thanks again to @TranceaddicT , @blowfish, and indirectly @DStaal.

Can you NEEDS twice or more?

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On 10/12/2017 at 5:20 PM, maja said:

Hi sarbian, did you have time to build a custom 2.8.1 or am I looking for something not done yet?

Sorry about the delay :) Here is the 2.8 version with included -mm-dump command. 

https://www.dropbox.com/s/g78d7jggeoz0kwv/ModuleManager.2.8.withdump.dll?dl=0

 

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so... is it designed behavior for any cloned parts to also be affected by future cfg edits to their parent?

Test.cfg:
+PART[fuelTank]
{
	@name = TestFuelTank
	@title = TestFuelTank
	@mesh = Squad/Parts/FuelTank/fuelTankT400/model
	-mesh = DELETE
	-MODEL {}

	MODEL
	{
		model = Test/fuelTank
	}
}

ModuleManager.ConfigCache:
UrlConfig
{
	name = TestFuelTank
	type = PART
	parentUrl = Squad/Parts/FuelTank/fuelTankT400/fuelTankT400
	PART
	{
		name = TestFuelTank
		...
		MODEL
		{
			model = VenStockRevamp/Squad/Parts/Propulsion/T400Tank
		}
	}
}

 

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20 minutes ago, Electrocutor said:

so... is it designed behavior for any cloned parts to also be affected by future cfg edits to their parent?

mm patches don't target cfgs, they target nodes.

depending on how the patch is applied it may or may not apply to the cloned part.

first of all the cloning happens at a certain time, so the part is cloned in the state it is at the moment of cloning.

after the cloning, if a patch starts with:

@PART

it will affect all parts (included the clones)

if it specifies the name for example:

@PART[fuelTank]

it will affect only the original "fuelTank" part and not the clone (since it has a different 'name' )

if it uses some different method like:

@PART:HAS[#title[fuelTank]]

it might still fail (like in this case) if your cloning process messed up the particular value the patch is looking for

 

 

bottom line, if you want your cloned part to get all the patches of the original, just clone it at the end using :FINAL (for personal use) or :FOR[zzzzzzYourMod] (if you are releasing it with a mod)

 

on the other hand, if you don't want your part to be affected by any other patch, I don't think there is a way to do that
( @sarbian / @blowfish  please correct me if I'm wrong on this last point)

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