[1.12.5] Bluedog Design Bureau - Stockalike Saturn, Apollo, and more! (v1.14.0 "металл" 30/Sep/2024)

[GoldForest]

38 minutes ago, Yuriy Istochnikov said:

Where can i download the Delta 4 Service structure?

It's a part of Modular Launcher Pads. 

 

[CollectingSP]

10 hours ago, GoldForest said:

Why you using the Delta Heavy equipment on a non-Heavy Delta? 

Also, I know it's a test, but it's kind of unsettling to see a rocket without the fairing...

Delta IV GSE is universal at both SLC-37B at Cape Canaveral as well as at SLC-6 at Vandy- The only difference that I'm aware of is the difference in the Launch Mate Unit (LMU) that connects the CBC's to the launch table at both sites, which is changed out if the Delta IV is a Heavy.

As you can see below, it’s the grey thing connected to the bottom of the rocket before it's raised by the fixed pad erector at SLC-37B or SLC-6 into the launch table.

3 hours ago, Yuriy Istochnikov said:

Where can i download the Delta 4 Service structure?

The Mobile Service Tower and Lightning protection systems aren't public and are custom additions by me. I may release them in the future but they aren't really intended for public use in their current state. the actual Launch Umbilical tower and launch table are provided by Modular Launch pads, as Goldforest said above.

Edited December 2 by CollectingSP

[Quinby Kerman]

Thanks, I'd probably have a hard time figuring this out otherwise.

On 11/30/2024 at 6:01 AM, OrbitalManeuvers said:

Yeah, I was able to confirm this. Wasn't sure if you're a github user or not, so I created a Github issue for you so it doesn't get lost - the BDB team usually looks through issues when they're actively working on stuff. The link for the issue is here if you want to follow it. I added a picture.

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https://github.com/CobaltWolf/Bluedog-Design-Bureau/issues/1586

 

Thanks, you probably saved me the better part of an hour of work.

Damn it I said thanks twice.

[Taco Salad]

Getting some weird physics issues with the lono wheels. I'm getting this error in the logs [LOG 19:19:27.335] Part bluedog.LRV.Wheel exited collision with Duna Xp231330112, but it wasn't in collision count list!
And then the wheels brick themselves and only work on reload

[Quinby Kerman]

On 12/2/2024 at 9:46 AM, CollectingSP said:

 

I'm still not entirely sure whether or not this is a picture of real life or in KSP.

[OrdinaryKerman]

22 hours ago, Quinby Kerman said:

I'm still not entirely sure whether or not this is a picture of real life or in KSP.

what makes it look ksp

[Quinby Kerman]

4 hours ago, OrdinaryKerman said:

what makes it look ksp

Well, we're on a KSP forum, and on a page where people can create some super-realistic shots. Really though, I know that this is probably real life, just sorta commenting that this would be something someone would make in KSP.

[CollectingSP]

8 hours ago, Quinby Kerman said:

Well, we're on a KSP forum, and on a page where people can create some super-realistic shots. Really though, I know that this is probably real life, just sorta commenting that this would be something someone would make in KSP.

Well... maybe I'll try at some point when I can upgrade the MST some more. 

[CobaltWolf]

On 12/5/2024 at 10:22 PM, Taco Salad said:

Getting some weird physics issues with the lono wheels. I'm getting this error in the logs [LOG 19:19:27.335] Part bluedog.LRV.Wheel exited collision with Duna Xp231330112, but it wasn't in collision count list!
And then the wheels brick themselves and only work on reload

Bro I have no idea the wheels are such a mystery to me

[Pappystein]

On 12/7/2024 at 11:08 AM, Quinby Kerman said:

I'm still not entirely sure whether or not this is a picture of real life or in KSP.

sadly the one thing I do not think anyone has figured out is how to have appropriate water puddles and watermarks show up in KSP static fixtures...
Or randomly leave an area of grass that hasn't been trimmed,... or perspective of the horizon.   Those and many more clues tell us this is an IRL picture.

Mostly though, it is the Number of "Greebles " aka little details up close that give it away.  the 3 RS-68 engine boots are each wrinkled differently, the aforementioned grass to the right of the road. all the beams and the tiny spots of rust visible... the DETAIL of said rust spots.
 

 

I have a pretty dang powerful computer... and it couldn't keep up rendering all of that in real time

[KeaKaka]

Titan 2L (unbuilt proposal)

[Pappystein]

16 hours ago, KeaKaka said:

Titan 2L (unbuilt proposal)

Nice shots of one of the more interesting "Recycle" programs proposed by a military organization.

Warning! satirical poke at history in the spoiler!

Spoiler

"Hey those Rockets that NASA is using to launch our spy Satellites are Titan IIIDs right?"
"Yeah, what of it?"
"Welll... we have these Titan II rockets that have been in Missile silos for a long time.  They have been well maintained to great Military standards."
"So?"
"Well couldn't we use them to launch some payloads on the cheep?  The Rockets are already paid for.  We have enough for about 30-40 launchs!"
*** Enter McD, Boeing, Lockheed and Martin***
"NOT ON OUR WATCH!"
"But we own them, we can do with them what we want"
"NOT ON OUR WATCH!"
"Well what if we use them only for government Payloads?"
"not on our watch."
"We will buy all sorts of new gehaws from you to 'improve' the rockets"
"eh... sure!  Money for nearly nothing is good"

And thus the Titan 23G was born.....

OK so a lot of tongue in cheek there but it is an interesting perspective of what really happened.

The Truth is more that the Titan II missile were in....  LESS than ideal shape after sitting on the launch pad for 20+ years with corrosive Hypergolic fuels stored in the tanks.   These things were NOT high quality launch vehicles.    First Glenn L Martin et al cut what corners they could to make a cheap product.  That is not to say that the rockets were low quality, rather they could have been so much more if the government was willing to pay for it.   If you think today is a disposable society you should step back into government procurement from 1936 on.
NEXT, we poured highly corrosive chemicals in it that were BARELY contained by the fact that they were in a pretty sealed container.   And let them sit....
And Sit
And Sit
Conversely the Titan II GLV and latter Titan III & IV were actually meant to be storable for a period of time and be in PERFECT Condition so things like anti-corrosives were applied inside and out.   You can argue that this was done to prevent SALT WATER corrosion (and you would be a little correct in saying so)  but the bulk of the reason is NASA and through NASA the end contractors were willing to pay more for the rockets.   Something that Congress knew little of... (since they came up with the 23G program)

By 1980 those Titan rockets were all suffering from a bad case of nausea in the fuel and oxidizer tanks.   I read somewhere that when the Titans were pulled out of their silos after draining the tanks, half of the tanks were found to have been mostly eaten away by the corrosive fuels/oxidizer in the tanks and then by the untreated metal OUTSIDE the tanks.    The goal (estimated service life) being to have replaced the Titan with another missile in the early 1970s...

It is amazing that after reclamation from the Silos we had something 34 mostly complete First stages and 24 complete second stages.   These stages were cobbled together from the many more missile that were pulled out...  Each Titan 23G had parts from SEVERAL Titan II LGM-25Cs in it.  the First stage could have the engine from one Titan II, the fuel tank from another Titan II the Oxidizer tank from a third, and the outer-skin (the non tank sections of the rocket) from a fourth!

Incidentally it is the fact that we had more viable First stages than second stages that allowed the Titan 2L to even exist as an idea...  Cost to do that was LESS than the cost to reinforce the lower skin of the first stage to attach 12x CASTOR 4/GEM40 rockets (which would have given a similar payload)


 

Edited December 10 by Pappystein

[DaveyJ576]

18 hours ago, KeaKaka said:

Titan 2L (unbuilt proposal)

Very nice screenshots! I noticed you had a single engine out on the center core while going uphill. Was that intentional? @Pappystein was that even possible in real life with the LR-87? At any rate this is a cool concept. Might try it myself!

[DaveyJ576]

SURVEYOR 6

Here are some screenies from my latest mission, Surveyor 6. This was my first flight with the SLV-3C Atlas Centaur with the new PBR shaders. It looks great! The views from the moon are with KSRSS and Parallax and required a lot of manipulation to reduce the amount of rocks to a semi realistic state. All in all it looks pretty good.

Spoiler

 

Landing went well, and I am impressed with how the verniers on the lander sip the fuel. I conducted two mid-course correction burns to refine my landing spot, and still had some gas left over after landing. I goofed and did not get any shots of the solid retro firing. Once I was firmly down I deployed the science and got a nice Hullcam VDS shot for good measure. I mounted the camera on top of a rotator joint so I could get a good panorama of the landing area. In the photos below it can be seen just to the left of the NASA logo. BTW, @CobaltWolf or @Zorg, is it possible to get this type of functionality in the actual Surveyor camera? If not no biggie.

 

Spoiler

 

[KeaKaka]

4 hours ago, DaveyJ576 said:

Very nice screenshots! I noticed you had a single engine out on the center core while going uphill. Was that intentional? @Pappystein was that even possible in real life with the LR-87? At any rate this is a cool concept. Might try it myself!

It's because the LR-87 can't throttle, it was proposed that one engine on the core stage would be left off during initial ascent and then presumably air-started before booster sep to conserve fuel and allow the configuration to work effectively.

Also the usage of only one engine on the LR-87 pair was possible as the engines only shared electronics and not plumbing (e.g. the RD-180), so the engines would have to be modified slightly for independent operation but nothing too significant afaik.

[DaveyJ576]

1 hour ago, KeaKaka said:

It's because the LR-87 can't throttle, it was proposed that one engine on the core stage would be left off during initial ascent and then presumably air-started before booster sep to conserve fuel and allow the configuration to work effectively.

Also the usage of only one engine on the LR-87 pair was possible as the engines only shared electronics and not plumbing (e.g. the RD-180), so the engines would have to be modified slightly for independent operation but nothing too significant afaik.

Good info. Thanks!

[Pappystein]

1 hour ago, DaveyJ576 said:

Good info. Thanks!

it is also why both IRL and in KSP there are single bell LR87s

[Zorg]

6 hours ago, DaveyJ576 said:

SURVEYOR 6

Here are some screenies from my latest mission, Surveyor 6. This was my first flight with the SLV-3C Atlas Centaur with the new PBR shaders. It looks great! The views from the moon are with KSRSS and Parallax and required a lot of manipulation to reduce the amount of rocks to a semi realistic state. All in all it looks pretty good.

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Landing went well, and I am impressed with how the verniers on the lander sip the fuel. I conducted two mid-course correction burns to refine my landing spot, and still had some gas left over after landing. I goofed and did not get any shots of the solid retro firing. Once I was firmly down I deployed the science and got a nice Hullcam VDS shot for good measure. I mounted the camera on top of a rotator joint so I could get a good panorama of the landing area. In the photos below it can be seen just to the left of the NASA logo. BTW, @CobaltWolf or @Zorg, is it possible to get this type of functionality in the actual Surveyor camera? If not no biggie.

 

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We’ve generally made it a point of adding in camera transforms to the model so they can be configured with hullcam and Neptune camera. Will have to check if it’s present on that model. I suspect it’s there it just hasn’t been configured. 

[Gupyzer0]

On 12/10/2024 at 12:07 PM, Pappystein said:

Nice shots of one of the more interesting "Recycle" programs proposed by a military organization.

Why not use the Titan I's first stage at some point?

Edit: btw, thanks for the history lesson pappy 

Edited December 11 by Gupyzer0

[Quinby Kerman]

Some SAF fairings don't show up, and some investigation shows that some part files are missing. What's going on?

[Quinby Kerman]

I downloaded the non-SAF counterparts, and it's loading as I type.

[Pappystein]

Given the responses to the topic on the Titan 2L I thought I would share a link to my Github Wiki (no pretty pictures like Friznit's but it has download links to all my articles) 

https://github.com/Pappystein/Space_History/wiki/The-Mighty-Titan-Rocket-Family

This is all the articles I have written on the Titan Rocket as well as Big G.   PS at some point I need to sit down and figure out "From Monpilot to Gemini, the story of the two seat Mercury capsule"

 

**NOTE** At some point in the future I will have to go through and revise the Titan II section of the articles above,   Some of what I said in the previous post about the Titan 23G family is from some newer information I have come across thanks to of all things Books on the Valkyrie and the B-36 Bomber by Dennis Jenkins (Jenkins strikes again!) I am still trying to verify/corroborate data-points to make certain I understand the relationships correctly (it isn't as simple as just  I read this... it is true sadly )

** Realized it may not be intuitive for everyone to download these files so a tiny guide is in the sekret compartment below

Spoiler

Click the document you want... in this case I chose "The Unflown Monopoly Maker"

That takes you to a page like this (it is ultra wide because I have a 21x9 monitor it probably wont look so "Strung out" on your monitor.

On the extreeeeeeem Right edge...  Click the download box (down arrow into a tray)

 

 

 

Edited Friday at 03:05 PM by Pappystein
yes I know how to spell secret :D

[CobaltWolf]

On 12/11/2024 at 2:38 PM, Gupyzer0 said:

Why not use the Titan I's first stage at some point?

Once Titan 2 was developed, Titan 1 was considered dead hardware and mostly disposed of. The only reason Titan 2L was proposed was because they could refurbish Titan 2 stages as they were being decommissioned from active missile deployments. Same with the 23G that 2L was derived from.

EDIT: Also, can confirm work on my next project is coming along swimmingly. Will have something to share for the holidays

Edited Saturday at 07:43 PM by CobaltWolf

[GoldForest]

16 hours ago, CobaltWolf said:

Once Titan 2 was developed, Titan 1 was considered dead hardware and mostly disposed of. The only reason Titan 2L was proposed was because they could refurbish Titan 2 stages as they were being decommissioned from active missile deployments. Same with the 23G that 2L was derived from.

EDIT: Also, can confirm work on my next project is coming along swimmingly. Will have something to share for the holidays

Viking?

[Gupyzer0]

On 12/14/2024 at 3:15 PM, CobaltWolf said:

Once Titan 2 was developed, Titan 1 was considered dead hardware and mostly disposed of. The only reason Titan 2L was proposed was because they could refurbish Titan 2 stages as they were being decommissioned from active missile deployments. Same with the 23G that 2L was derived from.

EDIT: Also, can confirm work on my next project is coming along swimmingly. Will have something to share for the holidays

Thank you and Great !!!!