KasperVld Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 Hi everyone! Our webhost will be performing maintenance on their entire network which means that the KSP website, forum, wiki, bugtracker and other web-based services will be down for a short amount of time on Wednesday. This is not related to a forum update, which is also scheduled to take place somewhere in the coming two weeks which will cause another small amount of downtime for the forums but will not affect other services. The maintenance is scheduled to take place in the following timeslot: PST: 22:00-03:00 (starting Tuesday night!)EST: 1:00-7:00UTC: 6:00-11:00CET: 7:00-12:00ACST: 15:30-20:30 If you're looking for a place to discuss KSP at that time I feel comfortable pointing you to our IRC chat, the KSP Subreddit or our social media pages Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swjr-swis Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 Will we have an 'unlike' button after the forum update (mainly to use on forum posts about forum downtimes...)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legoclone09 Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 Good, 10PM to 3AM for me. I won't miss a thing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cubinator Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 (edited) Looks like I'll be able to get some work done without distracting myself! Edit: That's not true, I'll be asleep Edited January 13, 2016 by cubinator Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenobi McCormick Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 (edited) 2 hours ago, swjr-swis said: Will we have an 'unlike' button after the forum update (mainly to use on forum posts about forum downtimes...)? I hope not. Unlike buttons turn communities into toxic cesspits and stifle discussion in favor of circlejerking. It's a large part of why Reddit is so infamous about having a hivemind. Edited January 12, 2016 by Kenobi McCormick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swjr-swis Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 It was not a serious request, and not making an argument for it, but uhm... having a Like but not a Don't Like seems like only allowing for half the opinions to be voiced, and a sure-fire way of deluding ourselves that at worst we can be mediocre, and on average, everything we post can only be liked. If I had a choice, I prefer to hear the critics. It tells me what I may be able to improve. The likes I don't have much use for: all the voices in my head already think I'm awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrMarlboro Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 (edited) 1 hour ago, swjr-swis said: It was not a serious request, and not making an argument for it, but uhm... having a Like but not a Don't Like seems like only allowing for half the opinions to be voiced, and a sure-fire way of deluding ourselves that at worst we can be mediocre, and on average, everything we post can only be liked. If I had a choice, I prefer to hear the critics. It tells me what I may be able to improve. The likes I don't have much use for: all the voices in my head already think I'm awesome. The problem is that there has never been a forum or other social media site using a downvote system that hasn't been missused/abused in some way. I see why downvotes would be nice, but at the same time I see it being misused, and turning the forums into a not quite as friendly place. We would see new players posting questions or looking for help, and even in this community people would downvote it because "this guy is stupid it's so simple." Or a forum vigilante (there seems to be a few running around here) would down vote posts in the wrong forum, or for whatever reason or rule they think has been broken, even if what was posted was brilliant but got there due to a misinterpretation of sub forums, or they are overly interpreting a rule. Been there, done that, got the mouse pad. If you want criticism you will get it, but not by an anonymous dislike. This helps in numerous ways such as allowing me to understand why you dislike something rather than just that you dislike it. And if you can't voice your disapproval in a post, then it's either because you don't care enough to make the statement, or can't be anonymous and probably shouldn't say what you are thinking in the first place. So I see why squad is reluctant to add it, and I support them in this. Keep kalm, Space on. Edited January 12, 2016 by DrMarlboro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YargJay9991 Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 10 hours ago, swjr-swis said: Will we have an 'unlike' button after the forum update (mainly to use on forum posts about forum downtimes...)? There is an unlike button, you just have to like a post first Starts at 4pm here... Oh well Happy Flying YargJay9991 HYPED FOR 1.1! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puggonaut Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 Will there be a helpline number available for those suffering withdrawl symptoms to offer counselling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwenting Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 11 hours ago, DrMarlboro said: The problem is that there has never been a forum or other social media site using a downvote system that hasn't been missused/abused in some way. It works (kinda) on StackOverflow. But there a dislike costs you reputation. Every dislike costs the person being disliked 2 reputation points AND costs the person pressing the dislike button some points as well (I think 1, but might be 2). So if you use it a lot your own reputation goes down the drain faster than that of the people you bombard with dislikes. Also, a dislike will cost the victim less rep than a like would give him on a 5-1 ratio. So for every like you'd need to get someone 5 dislikes to get his rep down. And it's still used to artificially lower peoples' reputation by making multiple accounts which you then have each account upvote all the others just so they get enough rep to get into voting wars with people who's opinions you don't like (rather than the actual merits of their posts, which is what it's intended for). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Jim Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 Are all these times in 24-hour? I ask because I'm EST, and if it is, 1:00-7:00 am doesn't bother me a bit. I'm usually just crawling out of bed at 7:00, and that's only because I have 4 cats that refuse to let me sleep late... lol.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwi1960 Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 On 11/01/2016 at 11:38 AM, swjr-swis said: Will we have an 'unlike' button after the forum update (mainly to use on forum posts about forum downtimes...)? Or silly posts like yours? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superfluous J Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 1am-7am for me. Or right in the middle of my work day. I'll need something else to do in my down moments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swjr-swis Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 1 hour ago, kiwi1960 said: Or silly posts like yours? Absolutely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrMarlboro Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 10 hours ago, jwenting said: It works (kinda) on StackOverflow. But there a dislike costs you reputation. Every dislike costs the person being disliked 2 reputation points AND costs the person pressing the dislike button some points as well (I think 1, but might be 2). So if you use it a lot your own reputation goes down the drain faster than that of the people you bombard with dislikes. Also, a dislike will cost the victim less rep than a like would give him on a 5-1 ratio. So for every like you'd need to get someone 5 dislikes to get his rep down. And it's still used to artificially lower peoples' reputation by making multiple accounts which you then have each account upvote all the others just so they get enough rep to get into voting wars with people who's opinions you don't like (rather than the actual merits of their posts, which is what it's intended for). This doesn't even sound like it kinda works. it sounds like it could have, but as always people have found a work around. The simplest solution is always the best, and that solution is to just not have a dislike button. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katateochi Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 11 minutes ago, DrMarlboro said: This doesn't even sound like it kinda works. it sounds like it could have, but as always people have found a work around. The simplest solution is always the best, and that solution is to just not have a dislike button. The voting system in StackOverflow (and all the rest of the StackExchange family) is complex and nothing short of awesome. It is perhaps one of the best examples of a self moderating online community. Votes carry much more meaning than just meer rep; as you gain points you gain responsibility in the community and eventually gradually gain moderator powers bit by bit (and then there are periodical elections to select the high level moderators). But to start with you can't even vote up, you have to gain 15 rep first and you can only do that by making posts to start with and if you post rubbish it won't get voted up. You'd need 15 fake accounts to bring 1 account up to be able to massage other accounts, and you need to get it up to 125 points before being able to vote down. The amount of work required to attack another user with a downvote storm is probably too much effort for most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitchz95 Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 Um, isn't the downtime supposed to have started by now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwenting Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 4 hours ago, DrMarlboro said: This doesn't even sound like it kinda works. it sounds like it could have, but as always people have found a work around. The simplest solution is always the best, and that solution is to just not have a dislike button. it works there, but it's a completely different community made up of mostly IT professionals. It's not 90% schoolkids with overblown senses of ego. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrMarlboro Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 2 hours ago, jwenting said: it works there, but it's a completely different community made up of mostly IT professionals. It's not 90% schoolkids with overblown senses of ego. I have grown quite attached to my ego sir, and would advise you to refrain from insulting it! But anyway, i could see where in a community such as that the system in question could work, i just really don't think it could here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monophonic Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 2 hours ago, Mitchz95 said: Um, isn't the downtime supposed to have started by now? The timeslots allotted for maintenance actions are frequently much longer than the actual time needed. This is to cover any need for troubleshooting, fixing and possibly rolling back the changes so in any case the users can come back to a working site at the given end time. Saves a lot of "they said they would be done by then and they were not" grief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padishar Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 On 11/01/2016 at 10:33 PM, KasperVld said: PST: 22:00-03:00 (starting Tuesday night!)EST: 1:00-7:00UTC: 6:00-11:00CET: 7:00-12:00ACST: 15:30-20:30 I realise this is over now (though I didn't actually notice it being down at any point) so it isn't going to make any difference but did anyone else notice that this downtime was an hour longer in EST than anywhere else...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KasperVld Posted January 13, 2016 Author Share Posted January 13, 2016 1 hour ago, Padishar said: I realise this is over now (though I didn't actually notice it being down at any point) so it isn't going to make any difference but did anyone else notice that this downtime was an hour longer in EST than anywhere else...? I assume that's a typo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fulbert Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 Good luck guys! Don't forget to screw up the Unicode again! The Russian subforum thread counts on you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpaceplaneAddict Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 Totally cool you put multiple time zones there, is it possible for MST to get some o dat? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John FX Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 I always like it when the first |I know of the forum downtime is after it has finished... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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