Jacke Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 7 minutes ago, tater said: The offshore platforms are looking like a good idea. Don't think they are logistically workable, considering the supplies and support needed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerbiloid Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 1 minute ago, CastleKSide said: The decision not to build a full launchpad with flame diverter plus water deluge and instead go with something looking like piece of concrete modern art always seemed like the most insane out of all thier engineering decisions. This way looks more immersive for viewers. P.S Happily, they hadn't overturned the sensors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastleKSide Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 1 minute ago, Jacke said: Don't think they are logistically workable, considering the supplies and support needed. Perhaps some combination could be considered, like an upgraded version of a marine drydock. A giant pool that can be flooded with seawater but still connected to land based supply directly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lajoswinkler Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 34 minutes ago, Snark said: I'll admit, it does seem like an awfully gutsy place to park one's car. Did they... not anticipate the sort of blast you get from a 5000-ton rocket taking off? It seems like they didn't expect this much, or surely they would have done something to protect the tank farm, at least (either with distance or with barriers). Now this person owns a car damaged by Starship and I would bet it's worth a lot more than the car before the launch. Think about it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AckSed Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 32 minutes ago, RCgothic said: WOW: Super Heavy too stronk for mere mortal concrete! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vl3d Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 6 minutes ago, CastleKSide said: Yes, even more than rocket catching Kung Fu panda chopsticks. Well.. I wouldn't go that far.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sevenperforce Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 7 minutes ago, CastleKSide said: The decision not to build a full launchpad with flame diverter plus water deluge and instead go with something looking like piece of concrete modern art always seemed like the most insane out of all thier engineering decisions. Yes, even more than rocket catching Kung Fu panda chopsticks. That concrete didn't stand a chance. Seeing discussion that the launch pad environment was similar to pyroclastic flow in a volcanic eruption. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lajoswinkler Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 2 minutes ago, sevenperforce said: That concrete didn't stand a chance. Seeing discussion that the launch pad environment was similar to pyroclastic flow in a volcanic eruption. It was pretty ridiculous to do it without water in the first place. Flat concrete... what did the team think would happen? Pressure waves wrecked few engines at the very start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minmus Taster Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 18 minutes ago, RCgothic said: Hoppy is not ok: Tis but a scratch. Can't be worse than what happened to its nose cone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerbiloid Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 5 minutes ago, CastleKSide said: Perhaps some combination could be considered, like an upgraded version of a marine drydock. A giant pool that can be flooded with seawater but still connected to land based supply directly. They tried. Spoiler 9 minutes ago, lajoswinkler said: Now this person owns a car damaged by Starship and I would bet it's worth a lot more than the car before the launch. Think about it... Got you. He could own a house with insurance, damaged by Starship. But it's just a car. Life sucks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnemoe Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 2 minutes ago, CastleKSide said: The decision not to build a full launchpad with flame diverter plus water deluge and instead go with something looking like piece of concrete modern art always seemed like the most insane out of all thier engineering decisions. Yes, even more than rocket catching Kung Fu panda chopsticks. Agree, more so that catching an rocket with chopsticks might work, an concrete base is shown not to work even after multiple tries. Now raising the pad is smart then they lift rocket in place anyway. Most pads drives the rocket up to the pad upright like most NASA rockets or they drive them in horizontal and raise them like Soyuz, N1 and Falcon class rockets. Again thick steel plates, they might want to water cool it. And for an crazy idea instead of water towers use pressurized tanks feeding turbo pumps to provide pressure. You only need pressure for some seconds so fuel use is not an issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatastrophicFailure Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 Gotta wonder what’s generated more raw data at this point: launch telemetry, or replies to this thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerbiloid Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 ChatGPT after learning it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tater Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 7 minutes ago, Jacke said: Don't think they are logistically workable, considering the supplies and support needed. Likely true, and retrofit was more trouble than it was worth, probably need to build something from scratch. Maybe an old-school solution from the 60s... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeSchmuckatelli Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 OK - I'd heard they weren't flying until the 21st. Totally missed this - and the first thing my wife did was tell me it blew up. My WIFE! She's as interested in this as I am in Medieval Lyrical traditions. How about a SPOILER ALERT, babe? Still - great flight. Looking forward to reading all the speculation when I get a chance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtomicTech Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 3 minutes ago, tater said: Likely true, and retrofit was more trouble than it was worth, probably need to build something from scratch. Maybe an old-school solution from the 60s... Heck! I'm helping @Thorenn make a mod about this! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tater Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 7 minutes ago, AtomicTech said: Heck! I'm helping @Thorenn make a mod about this! This has the benefit of being able to be retrofitted. The bowl of course could be lower on the sides facing away from the tank farm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codraroll Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 (edited) Gotta be a bit of a challenge to build all that without disassembling the launch tower, though. Although today's events might have made a few contributions in that direction already. Edited April 20, 2023 by Codraroll Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tater Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 8 minutes ago, Codraroll said: Gotta be a bit of a challenge to build all that without disassembling the launch tower, though. Although today's events might have made a few contributions in that direction already. Build a pond around the existing tower? Would only get flooded right before launch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeastHunter Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 2 hours ago, Entropian said: Am I crazy or was there a noticeable tilt when it was lifting off? I saw it nearly hit the chopstick. I don’t know if that was planned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sevenperforce Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, BeastHunter said: 2 hours ago, Entropian said: Am I crazy or was there a noticeable tilt when it was lifting off? I saw it nearly hit the chopstick. I don’t know if that was planned. I'm guessing that debris took out multiple engines as it started to lift off the pad, causing a thrust imbalance, and it took a moment to adjust gimbal enough to bring it back to vertical. EDIT: On second thought, the view from Tim's camera shows an aggressive tilt directly away from the tower, which may have been entirely intentional: Edited April 20, 2023 by sevenperforce Reconsidering Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeastHunter Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 4 minutes ago, sevenperforce said: I'm guessing that debris took out multiple engines as it started to lift off the pad, causing a thrust imbalance, and it took a moment to adjust gimbal enough to bring it back to vertical. That makes sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minmus Taster Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 How many engines can they lose before they can't reach orbit? Cause I count at least 7 being off at one point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sevenperforce Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 You can see the engine-rich leak from the center and then that very very off-nominal plume on the right. 1 minute ago, Minmus Taster said: How many engines can they lose before they can't reach orbit? Cause I count at least 7 being off at one point. Probably in the realm of 3 or 4. With 7 engines out, the T/W ratio was dangerously low. Impressive that it remained controllable though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geonovast Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 1 minute ago, Minmus Taster said: How many engines can they lose before they can't reach orbit? Cause I count at least 7 being off at one point. I think there's a whole lot of "it depends" there. Mass of payload, target orbit, which engines are lost, when they're lost... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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