SunlitZelkova Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 The fun continues! If I was a progressive Congressman who wanted to phase out SLS in favor of commercial space, I would attack SLS as "a multi-billion dollar program with ballooning costs and numerous delays, all just to send toys into a distant lunar orbit". Snoopy plushy around the Moon is still really cool though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerbiloid Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 Plushy toys are necessary on the Moon, but a portable backup SAS is better. Spoiler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tater Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 Summer of course means huge chances of weather delays. Artemis II can't happen until 20 months after Artemis I recovery (Orion refurb). So earliest Artemis II is now Spring 2024. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tater Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 So a mere $93B for 1 test flight, and 2 all-up flights. 4 seats per flight. Only $11B/astronaut! Such a bargain! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrandedonEarth Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 2 minutes ago, tater said: Such a bargain! Easy, dude! You just exploded my sarcasm detector! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerbiloid Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 https://www-interfax-ru.translate.goog/world/803138?_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=ru&_x_tr_pto=nui Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtomicTech Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 (edited) Nvm. Edited November 15, 2021 by AtomicTech Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tater Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 1 hour ago, tater said: So a mere $93B for 1 test flight, and 2 all-up flights. 4 seats per flight. Only $11B/astronaut! Such a bargain! I should be fair and yank the HLS numbers out of that. So ~$85B for the SLS/Orion bit. That's ~$10.6B/seat. If HLS gets done for Artemis III to actually land astronauts, then HLS will have cost an additional $~1.9B/seat—but the vehicle is reusable, and that seems to include an additional $4.6B for "not Starship" somehow. For just LSS, it's $725M/seat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tater Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 (edited) NG is now 2024 per BO. SLS is now NET mid 2022. SS/SH is either late 2021, or early 2022 pending FAA. TLI data from NASA is nice to see. Edited November 15, 2021 by tater Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beccab Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 9 minutes ago, tater said: NG is now 2024 per BO. SLS is now NET mid 2022. SS/SH is either late 2021, or early 2022 pending FAA. TLI data from NASA is nice to see. Why BO, why should you decline NASA's request to have informations about your rocket Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeSchmuckatelli Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 27 minutes ago, tater said: I should be fair and yank the HLS numbers out of that. So ~$85B for the SLS/Orion bit. That's ~$10.6B/seat. If HLS gets done for Artemis III to actually land astronauts, then HLS will have cost an additional $~1.9B/seat—but the vehicle is reusable, and that seems to include an additional $4.6B for "not Starship" somehow. For just LSS, it's $725M/seat. Q1 2024 for "Uncrewed Lunar Landing" per this schedule. ... If SX is ready before then, is there any reason for them to wait? i.e. do you think SX is counting on NASA money for their lunar landing attempts, or working independently and 'just working NASA into their own plans / timetable"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RCgothic Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 Be fair, let's include a DIVH and Orion for OFT-1. Still. $93B for 4 missions. Reminder that Apollo cost $284B in today's money for 10 Saturn I missions, 9 Saturn 1B missions, 13 Saturn V missions, and 2 Surplus Saturn Vs. #Cheaper #Sustainable #Sarcasm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tater Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 2 minutes ago, RCgothic said: Be fair, let's include a DIVH and Orion for OFT-1. OK, but that Orion was a pretty much a boilerplate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RCgothic Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 (edited) 9 minutes ago, tater said: OK, but that Orion was a pretty much a boilerplate. So were some of the Apollo CSMs I quoted, so fair's fair. Edited November 15, 2021 by RCgothic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cubinator Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 1 hour ago, JoeSchmuckatelli said: If SX is ready before then, is there any reason for them to wait? i.e. do you think SX is counting on NASA money for their lunar landing attempts, or working independently and 'just working NASA into their own plans / timetable"? SpaceX doesn't need NASA's money to do this. Then again, neither does BO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerbiloid Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 Since Kubrick has gone, everything got wrong... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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tater Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 https://ntrs.nasa.gov/api/citations/20210022080/downloads/HEOMD-007 HEO SCOPE - 09-28-2021 NTRS.pdf How could a document regarding Moon to Mars be published in September, 2021, and not have the HLS system they announced 5 months previous in the document? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrandedonEarth Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 1 hour ago, tater said: https://ntrs.nasa.gov/api/citations/20210022080/downloads/HEOMD-007 HEO SCOPE - 09-28-2021 NTRS.pdf How could a document regarding Moon to Mars be published in September, 2021, and not have the HLS system they announced 5 months previous in the document? Probably because the HLS/SS award was still being contested? Don’t have time to actually read it yet… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tater Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 1 hour ago, StrandedonEarth said: Probably because the HLS/SS award was still being contested? Don’t have time to actually read it yet… Then wait on the document, as LSS is the 900 lb gorilla in the room. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beccab Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 NASA document on HLS!https://ntrs.nasa.gov/api/citations/20220003725/downloads/22 3 7 Kent IEEE paper.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RCgothic Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 If that depot starship (propellant aggregator, lol. They still can't say depot) is scaled correctly that launch stack would be over 130m tall! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tater Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrandedonEarth Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 Two inches?!?!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tater Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 The two Artemis vehicles to scale, today. I checked in photoshop, and SLS is actually a little too large I think (~same dia, should be several pixels smaller). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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