Kerbalsaurus Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 (edited) Will KSP 2 be like a lot of other games coming out now? I don't want something to happen like you guys release a half-baked game, promising updates in the future that you may or may not get too. I don't want KSP to go the way of a certain other game franchise I liked (*cough cough* Pokémon *cough cough*). Edited February 20, 2023 by Kerbalsaurus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldForest Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 8 minutes ago, Kerbalsaurus said: Will KSP 2 be like a lot of other games coming out now? I don't want something to happen like you guys release a half-baked game, promising updates in the future that you may or may not get too. I don't want KSP to go the way of a certain other game franchise I liked (*cough cough* Pokémon *cough cough*). I'm going to guess you mean annual or bi-annual releases, if which case, no. KSP is not turning into COD or Pokemon. The game is releasing into Early Access, which means it is incomplete, but will slowly be completed in the coming year or so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drakenred65 Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 The best part is you don't even need to buy it now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kerbalsaurus Posted February 21, 2023 Author Share Posted February 21, 2023 18 hours ago, GoldForest said: I'm going to guess you mean annual or bi-annual releases, if which case, no. KSP is not turning into COD or Pokemon. The game is releasing into Early Access, which means it is incomplete, but will slowly be completed in the coming year or so. What I’m afraid of is the roadmap. They are releasing the game buggy and incomplete, or early access. The roadmap is them promising all of these updates. Yet, we have no information for a rough release date (what month, year, or month/year). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldForest Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 2 minutes ago, Kerbalsaurus said: What I’m afraid of is the roadmap. They are releasing the game buggy and incomplete, or early access. The roadmap is them promising all of these updates. Yet, we have no information for a rough release date (what month, year, or month/year). They are releasing into early access. Very early access. Rumor as to why differ, but the popular theory is that Take Two is angry and wants it released now. As to the release dates, they aren't going to give any, because not even Intercept knows when they will be done with each update. That and Squad found out that giving out release dates is bad, especially when you can't meet those release dates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpaceJaM Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 I've seen an image on the web, some days ago, with the roadmap and dates written below every step. But I don't remember where I've seen it (probably in a video) and I don't know if it was pure speculation or based on something. By the way, the first update (science and tech tree) was dated in May 2023, and then the other updates spaced every 3-4 months. If anyone have seen it and remember more details or can confirm it was pure speculation is welcome... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldForest Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 1 minute ago, SpaceJaM said: I've seen an image on the web, some days ago, with the roadmap and dates written below every step. But I don't remember where I've seen it (probably in a video) and I don't know if it was pure speculation or based on something. By the way, the first update (science and tech tree) was dated in May 2023, and then the other updates spaced every 3-4 months. If anyone have seen it and remember more details or can confirm it was pure speculation is welcome... Pure speculation. If that was official, Intercept would have posted it in a thread themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoup Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 10 minutes ago, SpaceJaM said: I've seen an image on the web, some days ago, with the roadmap and dates written below every step. But I don't remember where I've seen it (probably in a video) and I don't know if it was pure speculation or based on something. By the way, the first update (science and tech tree) was dated in May 2023, and then the other updates spaced every 3-4 months. If anyone have seen it and remember more details or can confirm it was pure speculation is welcome... Are you sure you're not confusing that with the video release map one of the content creators released, that was designed in a very similar style to the official roadmap? I think it might have been Lowne? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpaceJaM Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 27 minutes ago, GoldForest said: Pure speculation. If that was official, Intercept would have posted it in a thread themselves. Makes sense 17 minutes ago, Stoup said: Are you sure you're not confusing that with the video release map one of the content creators released, that was designed in a very similar style to the official roadmap? I think it might have been Lowne? Yes, it was the roadmap image for KSP2 with science step, interstellar step, resources step, multiplayer... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gargamel Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 *looks at ksp1* Yeah, I have faith that updates will come for some time. Even after PD/TTi acquired KSP, the updates kept coming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kerbart Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 1 hour ago, Kerbalsaurus said: What I’m afraid of is the roadmap. They are releasing the game buggy and incomplete, or early access. The roadmap is them promising all of these updates. Yet, we have no information for a rough release date (what month, year, or month/year). The original release date was 2020. It's now 2023. Publishing timelines will lead to either rushed products or missed deadlines. In KSP1 a continuous stream of updates was published, and quite frankly, I enjoyed every major update. I have no issues with the early access release. I just wish Intercept was a little bit more upfront about what's being delivered. As for yearly releases (KSP 2023, 2024, etc) that one needs to pay for? It's a double-edged sword. If you're struggling to pay for it, then it's the worst. But if it's a minor expense for you, then it means continuous improvement and development. T2 will not abandon a game if it's a continuous source of income, and that's quite literally the price you pay for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtomicTech Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 21 hours ago, GoldForest said: but will slowly be completed in the coming year or so. I wish... It'll likely be a few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarecrow71 Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 1 hour ago, Kerbart said: I just wish Intercept was a little bit more upfront about what's being delivered. What else, exactly, have they not said that you are expecting? They stated we would get EA, they indicated what would be part of EA, and they gave us the Road Map to show that they are still working on stuff coming down the pipeline. They told us that they want community feedback so they can push updates to fix bugs. What else are you waiting for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kerbart Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 34 minutes ago, Scarecrow71 said: What else, exactly, have they not said that you are expecting? They stated we would get EA, they indicated what would be part of EA, and they gave us the Road Map to show that they are still working on stuff coming down the pipeline. They told us that they want community feedback so they can push updates to fix bugs. What else are you waiting for? It was implied that EA would basically be a finished product, with features missing, but that they wanted to gather before adding those in. And that's fine. The EA discount of $10 suggests that as well. There's a lot you can say without saying it, and that's convenient because then later you can turn around and say "we never said that," but everything that was signaled was basically a working game with game elements missing. And I highly doubt it wasn't the intention to signal that. What we're getting is a half-finished product that is rushed out the door. If the EA price tag was $30, that'd be fine, but it isn't. So tells us: "What we're releasing is an early release, with, quite frankly, a few things still under development. However, KSP is pretty complex and we think we can make a better product by gathering feedback on all aspects of the game. It'll be a lot like the early days of KSP1—you'll find that some elements that you're used to are still missing, or not working the way you expect them to work, and that's why we want feedback. We hope you will join us on this exciting journey!" So yeah, that's what I'm waiting for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarecrow71 Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 1 hour ago, Kerbart said: It was implied that EA would basically be a finished product, with features missing, but that they wanted to gather before adding those in. It was never implied that it would be a finished product. In fact, e erythema that's been said has indicated it isn't finished. You are inferring and drawing your own conclusions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kerbart Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 6 minutes ago, Scarecrow71 said: It was never implied that it would be a finished product. In fact, e erythema that's been said has indicated it isn't finished. You are inferring and drawing your own conclusions. Thank you for quoting me but you missed this part: Quote There's a lot you can say without saying it, and that's convenient because then later you can turn around and say "we never said that," but everything that was signaled was basically a working game with game elements missing. And I highly doubt it wasn't the intention to signal that. A price of $50 suggests a fully working game. A roadmap that starts with "Science" instead of "adding missing features" suggests that. There's no big bar at the bottom that runs all across saying "fixing and adding things we missed at introduction." Like I said, they can claim "we never said that" and yes, they didn't. That doesn't mean the expectation was raised, and one has to be extremely naive to think it wasn't. We wouldn't have this discussion if the EA price was $30. But it isn't, and here we are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoup Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 7 minutes ago, Kerbart said: Thank you for quoting me but you missed this part: A price of $50 suggests a fully working game. A roadmap that starts with "Science" instead of "adding missing features" suggests that. There's no big bar at the bottom that runs all across saying "fixing and adding things we missed at introduction." Like I said, they can claim "we never said that" and yes, they didn't. That doesn't mean the expectation was raised, and one has to be extremely naive to think it wasn't. We wouldn't have this discussion if the EA price was $30. But it isn't, and here we are. You're reading my mind here, I echo these sentiments wholeheartedly! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarecrow71 Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 7 minutes ago, Kerbart said: A price of $50 suggests a fully working game. A roadmap that starts with "Science" instead of "adding missing features" suggests that. There's no big bar at the bottom that runs all across saying "fixing and adding things we missed at introduction." Like I said, they can claim "we never said that" and yes, they didn't. That doesn't mean the expectation was raised, and one has to be extremely naive to think it wasn't. We wouldn't have this discussion if the EA price was $30. But it isn't, and here we are. Well, considering they literally said that the $50 price tag was a reduction because it is EA and because features were missing means you ARE in fact inferring something that was never said. Nothing was implied. EVER. The developers have been pretty stalwart in saying what the game is, what it isn't, and what they'd like it to be this whole time since EA was announced. Anything you are seeing in their words is solely on you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baleine Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 On 2/21/2023 at 6:09 PM, Kerbart said: A price of $50 suggests a fully working game. A roadmap that starts with "Science" instead of "adding missing features" suggests that. There's no big bar at the bottom that runs all across saying "fixing and adding things we missed at introduction." Like I said, they can claim "we never said that" and yes, they didn't. That doesn't mean the expectation was raised, and one has to be extremely naive to think it wasn't. We wouldn't have this discussion if the EA price was $30. But it isn't, and here we are. I totally undertand that a $50 price tag suggests a fully working game, but it isn't. I agree it's a big price for an early access, and I hope it won't be the reason for the game to be hanged mid-EA. Because I really think that the finished product could be (one of) the best space game that ever existed, if they can get enough money to finish it. Well, that's the deal with every early access. KSP 1 went that road successfully, but the price tag was way down. I think that Take Two are greedy, and that's why we have such a high price tag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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