Lets talk about these UAPs

[Shpaget]

2 hours ago, tater said:

life capable of advanced technology

Pfft, they don't even have FTL tech, they are barely scratching the quantum stuff. Darn it, they think fusion is the future of energy production. They'll never be an advanced civilization. Barely worth mentioning in the next millenial edition of Universal catalogue.

-An alien star chart clerk after taking a look at the Earth, all the way from another galaxy

[Meecrob]

5 hours ago, SunlitZelkova said:

I don’t think so.

I must have not been clear with what I said. My apologies. There may be agents using balloons to do something...and the government is just saying "We want all reports of anything out of the ordinary, and we understand that there will be kooks who want the spotlight, and we will humour them, because it will encourage non kooky people to report things."

Edited July 27, 2023 by Meecrob

[SunlitZelkova]

I think these phenomena deserve to be properly studied. Discounting them as fake is just as bad as declaring them to be extraterrestrial.

Although I will say this though- the extraterrestrial advocates are way worse. To say they are fake is just healthy skepticism, to declare them to be alien is to be duped by the Cosmic Joker.

At the same time I don’t believe they can be studied. I agree with Jacques Vallee in that these phenomena seem to be designed to be nothing more than the over active imagination and blurs in a photo.

[darthgently]

6 hours ago, tater said:

This.

I tend to think (Fermi Paradox comes up again, lol) that life is likely common, but life capable of advanced technology is probably pretty rare. Maybe even amazingly rare.

As for the idiotic hearings—I believe exactly none of "testimony." A claim about debris, biological evidence? Bring it, or show it, or it never happened.

When I hear about small craft moving quickly about I think about all the nation states playing with drones and hypersonic toys.  When this thing about biological stuff came up I thought, how timely, just when genetic manipulation, cloning, etc, are being played with in labs worldwide.  All could be possibly explained by dark research spilling into public view accidentally or otherwise. 

At some point there will be enough extra solar probes out there that in theory a fake extraterrestrial signal could be fabricated from a probe no one even knows was sent out there years before.  We've played with perceived reality so well to date (aka propaganda) that extraordinary evidence is now required for nearly everything not in front of our eyes.

Erosion of trust and civilizational ungrounding from reality could be our great filter.

[tater]

3 hours ago, SunlitZelkova said:

I think these phenomena deserve to be properly studied. Discounting them as fake is just as bad as declaring them to be extraterrestrial.

Although I will say this though- the extraterrestrial advocates are way worse. To say they are fake is just healthy skepticism, to declare them to be alien is to be duped by the Cosmic Joker.

At the same time I don’t believe they can be studied. I agree with Jacques Vallee in that these phenomena seem to be designed to be nothing more than the over active imagination and blurs in a photo.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

A bunch of people making verbal testimony, sans evidence, deserves to be discounted. Wake me up when they show something actually convincing.

[Shpaget]

Is it even a testimony? I was under the impression that it's nothing more than "A guy I know told me that his buddy heard about about a guy that read a document."

[tater]

24 minutes ago, Shpaget said:

Is it even a testimony? I was under the impression that it's nothing more than "A guy I know told me that his buddy heard about about a guy that read a document."

Dunno, I didn't watch any of it.

[magnemoe]

6 hours ago, SunlitZelkova said:

I think these phenomena deserve to be properly studied. Discounting them as fake is just as bad as declaring them to be extraterrestrial.

Although I will say this though- the extraterrestrial advocates are way worse. To say they are fake is just healthy skepticism, to declare them to be alien is to be duped by the Cosmic Joker.

At the same time I don’t believe they can be studied. I agree with Jacques Vallee in that these phenomena seem to be designed to be nothing more than the over active imagination and blurs in a photo.

Agree if it is anything so far it looks very weak. Note that getting weird radar returns repeatably is something you want to look into, it could be an bug with the system or some sort of jamming. 

[Pthigrivi]

Given that "some guy told me he saw a giant red cube over Vandenburg" is nonsense neither Grusch nor Graves really gave testimony at all, just loony hearsay dressed up in intel jargon. Only David Fravor spoke about something he actually saw. This is the video from the 2004 Nimitz incident he's describing. You can see that there's no actual evidence in this video of anything strange happening. Im sure Fravor believes he saw something extraordinary but it's very likely it's just a matter of misunderstanding instrument data. 
 

 

Edited July 27, 2023 by Pthigrivi

[tater]

Great vid, thanks for posting that, @Pthigrivi

[magnemoe]

1 hour ago, Pthigrivi said:

Given that "some guy told me he saw a giant red cube over Vandenburg" is nonsense neither Grusch and Graves really gave testimony at all, just loony hearsay dressed up in intel jargon. Only David Fravor spoke about something he actually saw. This is the video from the 2004 Nimitz incident he's describing. You can see that there's no actual evidence in this video of anything strange happening. Im sure Fravor believes he saw something extraordinary but it's very likely it's just a matter of misunderstanding instrument data. 
 

 

This, now its something pilots and operators should be aware of as UAV is becoming more and more common. 
And even cheap stuff can be lethal if used for directing artillery.
In the first gulf was some Iraqi soldiers surrendered to an UAV, it was coordinating the guns from an Iowa class battleship, the UAV was not armed as it would be kind of pointless outside of self defense. 

 

[darthgently]

22 minutes ago, tater said:

Great vid, thanks for posting that, @Pthigrivi

It amazes me that one must dig for videos on the internet to find rationality on this subject.  Where is CNN and their ilk?  Why don't news anchors and journalists do their damn job at least semi-professionally?  What else are they misrepresenting and mystifying?

[farmerben]

Quote

“Briefly stated, the Gell-Mann Amnesia effect is as follows. You open the newspaper to an article on some subject you know well. In Murray’s case, physics. In mine, show business. You read the article and see the journalist has absolutely no understanding of either the facts or the issues. Often, the article is so wrong it actually presents the story backward—reversing cause and effect. I call these the “wet streets cause rain” stories. Paper’s full of them.

In any case, you read with exasperation or amusement the multiple errors in a story, and then turn the page to national or international affairs, and read as if the rest of the newspaper was somehow more accurate about Palestine than the baloney you just read. You turn the page, and forget what you know.” 
– Michael Crichton (1942-2008)

 

[darthgently]

2 minutes ago, farmerben said:

 

Crichton was a giant.  RIP, seeker of truth 

[HebaruSan]

On 7/26/2023 at 1:49 PM, tater said:

Likely designed to distract the rubes.

Rep. Tim Burchett: "I've been a kind of a UFO... follower for since I was a little kid"

Spoiler

Being elected to Congress neither bestows absolute knowledge nor stops a person from being a "rube". Misguided sincerity should not be ruled out.

[tater]

3 minutes ago, HebaruSan said:

Being elected to Congress neither bestows absolute knowledge nor stops a person from being a "rube". Misguided sincerity should not be ruled out.

Or just dumb, yeah

[Pthigrivi]

He's also done breakdowns on the other two videos released by the navy a few years ago:

Gimbal:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ka_bX9Hx1H0&list=PL-4ZqTjKmhn5Qr0tCHkCVnqTx_c0P3O2t&index=8

Go-fast:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLyEO0jNt6M&list=PL-4ZqTjKmhn5Qr0tCHkCVnqTx_c0P3O2t&index=7

[Nuke]

6 hours ago, Pthigrivi said:

Given that "some guy told me he saw a giant red cube over Vandenburg" is nonsense neither Grusch nor Graves really gave testimony at all, just loony hearsay dressed up in intel jargon. Only David Fravor spoke about something he actually saw. This is the video from the 2004 Nimitz incident he's describing. You can see that there's no actual evidence in this video of anything strange happening. Im sure Fravor believes he saw something extraordinary but it's very likely it's just a matter of misunderstanding instrument data. 
 

 

i saw one of these reported on the news and it looked more like an optical aberration in the optics of what ever sensor pod they used to gather the image. 

[magnemoe]

6 hours ago, farmerben said:

“Briefly stated, the Gell-Mann Amnesia effect is as follows. You open the newspaper to an article on some subject you know well. In Murray’s case, physics. In mine, show business. You read the article and see the journalist has absolutely no understanding of either the facts or the issues. Often, the article is so wrong it actually presents the story backward—reversing cause and effect. I call these the “wet streets cause rain” stories. Paper’s full of them.

In any case, you read with exasperation or amusement the multiple errors in a story, and then turn the page to national or international affairs, and read as if the rest of the newspaper was somehow more accurate about Palestine than the baloney you just read. You turn the page, and forget what you know.” 
– Michael Crichton (1942-2008)

Note that this is very important.  media tend to use experts on common topics like economic, sport and consumer electronic. Remember media about computers and internet back in the 90's it was hilarious as they had no clue on how clueless they was.  Yes now they tend to have experts but they are likely to have holes and are out of date. 
 

[Pthigrivi]

7 hours ago, farmerben said:

(Chrichton quote)

 

7 hours ago, darthgently said:

It amazes me that one must dig for videos on the internet to find rationality on this subject.  Where is CNN and their ilk?  Why don't news anchors and journalists do their damn job at least semi-professionally?  What else are they misrepresenting and mystifying?

This is interesting in combination. I would argue that there is no mysterious "they", any more than there are interdimensional pilots in black cubes and clear spheres. I remember Jon Stewart asking in vain if any of the listless morons in the background of the CNN newsroom knew what google was. But are any of the cable news networks, mindnumbing as they are, actually any dumber than the "History" Channel? Is it the fault of the producers? The number crunchers? Or the audience? Is there some version of Poe's law where laziness, incompetence, and cynicism are often mistaken for conspiracy? It sounds familiar but I can't put my finger on it.

This also brings to mind a hypothesis of mine: that there is no one in society who is easier to manipulate than the Contrarian. The contrarian believes that whatever "they" are telling them, the opposite must be true. If 'they' are telling them that aliens have not visited earth than aliens must have visited earth. If 'they' have told them the world is round than the world must be flat. The committed contrarian believes only they are seeing through all the deception in the world, but have instead voluntarily applied an epistemological filter through which good faith arguments are always rejected and bad faith arguments are accepted without question. 

Edited July 28, 2023 by Pthigrivi

[HebaruSan]

25 minutes ago, Pthigrivi said:

Is there some version of Poe's law where laziness, incompetence, and cynicism are often mistaken for conspiracy? It sounds familiar but I can't put my finger on it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon's_razor

Quote

Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.

[kerbiloid]

On 7/27/2023 at 12:39 AM, tater said:

The idiot in question thought that islands floated.

If they don't, why do they not sink?

***

Why does nobody mention the mentioned alien meat?

https://www-rbc-ru.translate.goog/technology_and_media/27/07/2023/64c180409a7947319e7c2e1a?_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=ru&_x_tr_pto=wapp

https://oversight.house.gov

[Vanamonde]

Some comments removed. Please avoid politics. It never ends well. 

[Scotius]

In this case "Pics or it didn't happen." wouldn't help, because we only heard "I've seen something", "Someone told me something" etc.

Evidence or bust.

[kerbiloid]

9 hours ago, Scotius said:

In this case "Pics or it didn't happen." wouldn't help, because we only heard "I've seen something", "Someone told me something" etc.

Evidence or bust.

Spoiler