Meecrob Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 1 hour ago, Tony Tony Chopper said: I actually don't quite understand why one would care about the money loss. It's a day of cheap work at worst. I don't understand why people complain when they get smacked in the face. Its free..like what is the problem? 1 hour ago, Bej Kerman said: Their token of gratitude should just a different but similarly broken version of the game? Just to irk you, lol. I'm kidding, no offense intended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Tony Chopper Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 19 minutes ago, Meecrob said: I don't understand why people complain when they get smacked in the face. Its free..like what is the problem? Everything is a smack in the face if you don't work out. That's the problem. Don't complain about the problem, fight the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meecrob Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 5 minutes ago, Tony Tony Chopper said: Everything is a smack in the face if you don't work out. That's the problem. Don't complain about the problem, fight the problem. Serious question, did you translate this from another language? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Tony Chopper Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 Just now, Meecrob said: Serious question, did you translate this from another language? Not a native. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bej Kerman Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 20 minutes ago, Meecrob said: Serious question, did you translate this from another language? For some reason, I get the feeling this is not a serious question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meecrob Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 1 hour ago, Tony Tony Chopper said: Not a native. Okay then I get what you are saying. You are correct, in the grand scheme of things, it is not a big deal, and it is up to me to interpret it as a smack in the face or not. The issue is the principle of it. Take Two disrespected us. People are discussing the idea of them tossing some freebies our way to smooth things over. I seriously doubt people are upset about $50, I think they are upset its any amount of money for how we were treated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacke Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 5 hours ago, Meecrob said: I seriously doubt people are upset about $50, I think they are upset its any amount of money for how we were treated. I seriously think purchasers of KSP 2 are upset that they were effectively tricked into spending money for a boondoggle that was almost guaranteed to fail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meecrob Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 1 hour ago, Jacke said: I seriously think purchasers of KSP 2 are upset that they were effectively tricked into spending money for a boondoggle that was almost guaranteed to fail. Precisely! "Nigerian Princes" are looking at this going "ooh, that's low" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PDCWolf Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 15 hours ago, Tony Tony Chopper said: I actually don't quite understand why one would care about the money loss. It's a day of cheap work at worst. Because the game got sold outside the US/EU. $50 for me at release was between 30% and 50% of my paycheck. Of course I was lucky enough to live in a place where they regionalized prices, but still, even $8 was a good chunk of money I could've gotten some other really good games for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boolybooly Posted May 29 Share Posted May 29 Did someone say doom? I am just going to drop this link here given the title of the thread, as I noticed a Eurogamer article dated 28 May 2024. Dont know if it is referenced anywhere else? Quote Kerbal Space Program 2 developer Intercept Games will lay off its employees at the end of June according to a senior team manager, despite Take-Two Interactive boss Strauss Zelnick insisting earlier this month that the studio hadn't been shut down. https://www.eurogamer.net/kerbal-space-program-2-team-will-be-laid-off-in-june-says-senior-team-member Comments are interesting. Honestly, feels like this is it, time to say so long and thanks for all the spaceships and expect KSP2 to fall into IP limbo. I really don't care about the money. It only matters to me as a legal means to exact revenge as it is an undeniable injustice to fail to deliver a product purchased in good faith. Legally speaking the consequences seem too slight for PD and TTI who are definitely on Santa's naughty list. Ironic that this is exactly what Private Division was set up to try to avoid and TTI managers ended up screwing their company, customers and shareholders over with short-termism anyway. Lets hope whoever is firing all these people, gets fired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerbiloid Posted May 29 Share Posted May 29 (edited) Weren't several threads of interesting discussions on "Will be/is/was KSP-2 more alive than dead?" enough interesting to worth the puny 50 USD? It's kinda a ticket to an immersive stand-up quest. Or a fruit machine. Edited May 29 by kerbiloid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CameronLeroux Posted May 29 Author Share Posted May 29 Let's hope that t2 notices this. I will not tolerate this company bringing the game down, if you want a game done, don't start blaming things that are/aren't the problem and laying off employees over dumb reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PDCWolf Posted May 29 Share Posted May 29 https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/kerbal-space-program-2-producer-confirms-mass-layoffs-contradicting-ceos-remarks Seems someone officially broke the silence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mutex Posted May 29 Share Posted May 29 Direct link to Quinn Duffy's post on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/quinn-duffy_well-here-we-go-again-the-team-at-intercept-activity-7201280703215394816-uyzd/ Quote Well, here we go again. The team at Intercept Games will be laid off as of June 28th so a great group will be out and about looking for their new roles. As will I. I got to know the designers pretty well in my all-too-brief time there. These are some fantastically smart and talented people and I'm happy to vouch for their qualities. And I can say the same about the other disciplines - good folks across the board. Kerbal Space Program 2 is a delightful game, deeply engrossing, and incredibly pretty even in its early-access state and I hope you have a chance to check it out. For Science! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PDCWolf Posted May 29 Share Posted May 29 23 minutes ago, Mutex said: Direct link to Quinn Duffy's post on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/quinn-duffy_well-here-we-go-again-the-team-at-intercept-activity-7201280703215394816-uyzd/ Lmao, I really want to believe there's 2 to 3 meanings to what he said. The first thing people are gonna see when they check the game out is the overwhelmingly negative reviews, and god forbid Matt is the first personality they find, telling people to refund the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarecrow71 Posted May 29 Share Posted May 29 1 hour ago, PDCWolf said: https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/kerbal-space-program-2-producer-confirms-mass-layoffs-contradicting-ceos-remarks Seems someone officially broke the silence. That's not news, though. We've known for a month now that 70 employees at Intercept Games would be laid off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PDCWolf Posted May 29 Share Posted May 29 9 minutes ago, Scarecrow71 said: That's not news, though. We've known for a month now that 70 employees at Intercept Games would be laid off. AKSHUALLY, as the highest quality hopium inhalers were saying, the only fact was that it was "an office in Seattle", and then the CEO said "the studio is not closed". This would be, I believe, the first, official confirmation that what we all were sure happened did in fact happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almagnus1 Posted May 29 Share Posted May 29 (edited) On 5/27/2024 at 4:27 PM, Tony Tony Chopper said: I actually don't quite understand why one would care about the money loss. It's a day of cheap work at worst. I mean, go look at the Steam reviews (FYI https://store.steampowered.com/app/954850/Kerbal_Space_Program_2/ ), and that shows where the community stands on KSP2. It's not about the money here, it's about the company showing good will and trying to win the community back. 6 hours ago, boolybooly said: Legally speaking the consequences seem too slight for PD and TTI who are definitely on Santa's naughty list. I dunno, everyone losing their jobs and having a project that's been torched on Steam is going to make finding another one rather rough for the former PD employees. Edited May 29 by almagnus1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vexillar Posted May 30 Share Posted May 30 16 hours ago, almagnus1 said: It's not about the money here, it's about the company showing good will and trying to win the community back. Agreed, but in business, goodwill (in the minds of accountants) is money. Apologies if it's already been discussed - if so, I missed it - but if my teary eyes didn't deceive me, the figures show that T2 wrote off $2 billion in goodwill in the last quarter. That's an awful lot of happy players (present and future) being removed from the accounts. For that much they could design, build and launch a real-life Kerbal X. Jeb would have been proud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PDCWolf Posted May 30 Share Posted May 30 3 hours ago, Vexillar said: Agreed, but in business, goodwill (in the minds of accountants) is money. Apologies if it's already been discussed - if so, I missed it - but if my teary eyes didn't deceive me, the figures show that T2 wrote off $2 billion in goodwill in the last quarter. That's an awful lot of happy players (present and future) being removed from the accounts. For that much they could design, build and launch a real-life Kerbal X. Jeb would have been proud. I'm pretty sure most of that is free stuff they give away in GTAO. GTAO cars are "valued" anywhere from $20 to $100, properties are about the same and they give discounts and freebies every week RDRO has similar systems too. It wouldn't surprise me if they're writing off those discounts and freebies as "shark cards not purchased" (or their RDRO equivalent) and thus signing them off as "goodwill". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CameronLeroux Posted June 13 Author Share Posted June 13 Has been a while since I commented on my own post but I hope that people continue to talk on this post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skorj Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 On 5/30/2024 at 9:03 AM, PDCWolf said: I'm pretty sure most of that is free stuff they give away in GTAO. GTAO cars are "valued" anywhere from $20 to $100, properties are about the same and they give discounts and freebies every week RDRO has similar systems too. It wouldn't surprise me if they're writing off those discounts and freebies as "shark cards not purchased" (or their RDRO equivalent) and thus signing them off as "goodwill". "Goodwill" is a technical term in finance, and as such should not be confused with any ordinary meaning. Goodwill is the intangible value of an acquired company, more-or-less what you pay for a company less the value of its physical assets (after debts and other things). Take2 has bought a lot of smaller game companies, and so a lot of money went on the books as "goodwill". Goodwill is treated as an asset to make the accounting balance. It can be written down when the acquired company are no longer considered valuable, though investors rarely care about that paper loss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CameronLeroux Posted September 24 Author Share Posted September 24 Please continue to talk on this thread, it's being considered "old" when it's only been months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Tony Chopper Posted September 24 Share Posted September 24 2 hours ago, CameronLeroux said: Please continue to talk on this thread, it's being considered "old" when it's only been months. There is no stuff to talk, so no. There is no further news, no hints, no clues, no anything. This thread is in fact old and speculation isn't interesting as of now. Everything thought is said. But feel assured, if I stumble on some news humble me would post it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gargamel Posted September 24 Share Posted September 24 We don’t need to bump threads that are dead and gone. We already have other threads with the same discussion, even with nothing more to be said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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