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[quote name='frizzank']Specifically which decouplers in what sort of setup, screenshot, what other mods are you using.[/QUOTE]



Hi Frizzank,

I've just been using the pre-loaded Saturn V and Saturn Nova rocket. I've also tried using the mod with and without any other mods installed including FAR and kerbal joint reinforcement. The error seems to be with the direction the decouplers are ejecting from their original positions in that it is perpendicular from the spacecraft rather than downwards and away. This is happening with all fairings and decouplers including the launch abort system.
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Hi I have a problem with the Apollo lem and the service module if i try to put a part in eather 2 service module bays on ether side. the part sticks to where the door world be if it were closed and i cant use the science equpment that come pre built on to the service moduel Edited by Nucluer
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NathanKell

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I believe the new FASA is only for 1.0.5, so if you're still on 1.0.4, that's what CKAN will serve you. However, CKAN questions should be taken to [url=http://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/threads/100067-The-Comprehensive-Kerbal-Archive-Network-(CKAN)-Package-Manager-v1-14-3-27-Sep-2015]the CKAN thread[/url].
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Hi there! Big fan of the launch clamps. It's just that recently I came across a... "difficult" contract with them... ^^
[IMG]http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/402306248710818065/6B48C50F2AE465A9AD72EB2088AF301BF221A73A/[/IMG]

I can't say, what caused this problem. I got several mods installed, among them a few contract packs with Contract Configurator. Also it's on 1.0.5 with the FASA Launch Clamps in the "incompatible" version 5.34 according to CKAN. I don't know if there's anything you can even do to prevent being accidentally pulled into a generated contract. Basically I just wanted to share the screenshot. ;)
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NathanKell

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A PSA on colliders.

Thomas P. found the source of the issue: In preparation for Unity 5 (which does not support concave colliders), the new mu importer in KSP 1.0.5 will ignore a collider's concavity setting and force it to convex. While Thomas has demonstration code written to force colliders back to being concave, it's a bit of a moot point because 1.1 is coming, where concavity is no longer supported at all.
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[quote name='NathanKell']A PSA on colliders.

Thomas P. found the source of the issue: In preparation for Unity 5 (which does not support concave colliders), the new mu importer in KSP 1.0.5 will ignore a collider's concavity setting and force it to convex. While Thomas has demonstration code written to force colliders back to being concave, it's a bit of a moot point because 1.1 is coming, where concavity is no longer supported at all.[/QUOTE]

What is the actual reasoning for convex colliders being unsupported? Is it a KSP limitation, or a Unity limitation? I know that concave colliders colliding together would cause very bad things to happen, but why exactly? Do other games based in Unity support concave colliders colliding?

[quote name='Sampa']I meant, what is meant by concavity?[/QUOTE]

Hard to explain. Googling comparison photos may help you.

[img]http://docs.garagegames.com/artist/official/3D%20Studio%20Max/Convex_concave.jpg[/img]

Basically, no holes, inward dents, interior volumes, or inward creases.

Practically, in KSP, a useful collider shape would be a tube, like you'd see on an interstage. Because that involves a hole inside a cylinder, that makes it a concave shape. So, most interstage are either a cylinder with no actual hollow space insider, or they are multiple concave box colliders in a circle that approximate the tube.

With the new Mk1 structural part, I image the collider is many box colliders. Wonder how they effect game performance... Edited by curtquarquesso
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With the new Mk1 structural part, I image the collider is many box colliders. Wonder how they effect game performance...[/QUOTE]

For box colliders only, its a significantly smaller performance impact, very easy algorithm to test a point inside a defined cuboid.

I don't think this is the same for mesh collider's, even if the mesh is a simple box (might be wrong here?), it will use a more generic collision detection approach.

Point is multiple, even many, boxes are fine. Which is okay for tubes, but very limiting for larger concave shapes.

I think all the above is true, from screwing around in Unity, but I think someone with a brain will be able to say it better.
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I'm an idiot. I was relying on CKAN and it still had 1.1.7 installed.

[QUOTE]I'm getting an error on the Apollo Parts.
Linux Ubuntu.
64bit version.
KSP 1.0.5

I'm not sure how to post an attachment if you want the entire log.

GameData folder:
000_FilterExtensions
000_FilterExtensions Configs
000_Toolbar
B9_Aerospace
BetterBuoyancy
BoulderCo
cls_settings.dat
CommunityResourcePack
ConnectedLivingSpace
CrossFeedEnabler
DeadlyReentry
DistantObject
EngineGroupController
EnvironmentalVisualEnhancements
FASA
FerramAerospaceResearch
Firespitter
FreedomTex
FShangarExtender
JSI
KerbalJointReinforcement
Kopernicus
KSCSwitcher
KSP-AVC
MechJeb2
ModularFlightIntegrator
ModuleManager.2.6.13.dll
ModuleManager.ConfigCache
ModuleManager.ConfigSHA
ModuleManagerLicense.md
ModuleManager.Physics
ModuleManager.TechTree
ModuleRCSFX
ProceduralFairings
ProceduralFairings-ForEverything
ProceduralParts
RCSBuildAid
RealChute
RealFuels
RealHeat
RealismOverhaul
RealSolarSystem
RemoteTech
RSS-Textures
RW Saturatable
SmokeScreen
SolverEngines
Squad
TestFlight
TextureReplacer
ThunderAerospace
toolbar-settings.dat



Works fine on 1.0.4

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[LOG 21:06:29.055] PartLoader: Compiling Part 'FASA/Gemini2/FASA_Agena/Agena_Engine_FP/FASAAgena_Engine_FP'
[LOG 21:06:29.058] Added sound_rocket_mini to FXGroup running
[WRN 21:06:29.058] PartLoader Warning: Variable RSSROConfig not found in Part
[LOG 21:06:29.062] *U* Ullage constructor called on FASAAgena.Engine.FP
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PartModule.Load (.ConfigNode node)
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PartLoader.ParsePart (.UrlConfig urlConfig, .ConfigNode node)
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NathanKell

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Beale: Yep, just so. Primitives are cheap, mesh colliders are expensive.

curtquarquesso: As I said in the post you quoted, Unity 5 no longer supports concave colliders. So this is not a KSP choice. What is a KSP choice, is that in preparation for our move to Unity 5, KSP 1.0.5's mu loader no longer supports concave colliders. It does so "early" in the sense that Unity 4.6.4 does technically still support them, but changing to convex-only is a change all mods would need to make for KSP 1.1 (due to the Unity 5 requirement), so modders are just needing to get started on this change a bit early.
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Please bare with me , as I am a new KSP player and not sure if I perhaps did something wrong or this is a result of 1.0.5, when I load in the Fasa Sandbox Save and load in the Fasa Apollo Saturn V, I get no errors and all parts appear to be available.

It will launch just fine and has what appears to be a pretty good TWR , upon the first stage, there is an explosion [which I know is a new issue/feature of 1.0.5] and it pretty much destroys the next stage.

Does anyone have a suggestion?
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[quote name='gamerscircle']Please bare with me , as I am a new KSP player and not sure if I perhaps did something wrong or this is a result of 1.0.5, when I load in the Fasa Sandbox Save and load in the Fasa Apollo Saturn V, I get no errors and all parts appear to be available.

It will launch just fine and has what appears to be a pretty good TWR , upon the first stage, there is an explosion [which I know is a new issue/feature of 1.0.5] and it pretty much destroys the next stage.

Does anyone have a suggestion?[/QUOTE]

Most likely an interstage collided with engines and blown them up. Had the same problem today in RO. That and LES+shroud hitting parachutes after decoupling, blowing them up in the process.
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I went back and basically just pull parts off and put them back and it seems to work after that. Some of the engine fairings didn't cover correctly. Also, the CMS has a storage area that appears to have some science and power cells, are they just for show or? In the VAB, I am not able to click on them?

Thanks for any help, appreciate it.

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Oh, I thought because there was a 1.0.5 that it was good to go? Are the colliders only something that the modders can fix?
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[quote name='ptr421']Most likely an interstage collided with engines and blown them up. Had the same problem today in RO. That and LES+shroud hitting parachutes after decoupling, blowing them up in the process.[/QUOTE]

Actually, with version 1.05 they just all explode. It's impossible to fly at the moment. If you try the Apollo, you blow the whole thing up, just trying to stage. Very interesting experience I must say. :confused:
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