[1.12.5] Bluedog Design Bureau - Stockalike Saturn, Apollo, and more! (v1.13.0 "Забытый" 13/Aug/2023)

[KeaKaka]

2 hours ago, Pappystein said:

I am running Cryotanks (Nertea) and a few other mods that may have added a straight water option to some of my tanks.

Pretty sure Skyhawk Science System adds that?

Edited Tuesday at 09:01 PM by KeaKaka
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[dave1904]

On 7/1/2024 at 4:30 PM, GoldForest said:

IRL? Rigidity. Able to handle heavier payloads without crushing under the weight. In Atlas V, at least the 5-meter fairing version, the weight of the payload is supported by the fairings iirc. So, they're able to put heavier loads on top of Centaur because Centaur isn't taking the full brunt of the weight. At least until fairing jettison, but at that point, they are near weightless. 

I'm aware that I would be more rigid. My point is that the increased dry mass with a monocoque tank and more powerful engine might have made the S-V pointless because the volume of fuel is no larger than Centaur-D. It might have been able to carry a heavier payload but not have had the energy to do much with it. 

[Pappystein]

32 minutes ago, KeaKaka said:

Pretty sure Skyhawk Science System adds that?

Yeah, I don't know where I am getting the water options...   It isn't every part just SOME of them.  I don't Have Rational resources but I do have much of the "Near-Future" kit, and those add tank options to many things.  And who knows.  Maybe I somehow activated a Life support patch for Tank X or Y accidentally

This is the first time I did a CKAN install that actually worked so IDK *Shrug*   I wanted to give CKAN a fair shake before I continued to blast it  

 

5 minutes ago, dave1904 said:

I'm aware that I would be more rigid. My point is that the increased dry mass with a monocoque tank and more powerful engine might have made the S-V pointless because the volume of fuel is no larger than Centaur-D. It might have been able to carry a heavier payload but not have had the energy to do much with it. 

We are assuming the tank length is the same.   All the drawings for the Monocoque S-V stage I have predate the explosion of the Centaur Test article.  Everything after that explosion is just text-based conversations and engineering diagrams, not actual drawings.

Remember, Centaur D.1, as produced, is longer than the Centaur Test article.  So maybe the S-V tankage would also grow.     But in either case.  We are talking a few - a couple hundred m/s DV loss, not enough to necessarily want you to switch to something else.
 

[Pappystein]

6 hours ago, Zorg said:

I've added the Atlas A nose cone which was not an RV just an aero nose cone probably with some instrumentation like pitot tubes. Functionally it has the optional lead ballast tank.

Cobalt has outlined why we are generally hesitant to add warhead parts. I dont judge people who are into all that and I do play some milsims myself but when it comes to KSP I like the "purer" more innocent spirit KSP and Kerbals represent for me. That said the mk II RV has a nice shape and was mostly a research vehicle. That part is a maybe and I might do it like the Titan II cone or as an atmospheric probe if I do go ahead. I have no interest in the mk3 and mk4 RVs though (pictured is a mk3 I think).

That is either/both a Mk3 or a Mk4  Sorry Didn't notice the bottom interface, that is the Mk3 as you summized.  The Mk4 has the same basic shape but it is both longer and thicker.   They were broadly similar in shape and somewhat interchangeable.   Mk2 is the short fat cone shaped "Heatsink" on early test Atlases... And they are mounted TAIL to the top of the rocket (the nose is buried in the rocket)

The 1960 Atlas F was supposed to have a bigger Mk4 (never designated as anything but "bigger Mk4"   because it was never needed)   That is in the drawing I posted 3 or 4 pages back.   Remember, Initially Atlas F was meant to throw a warhead that had twice the throwweight of the basic Mk4 because Convair was not read into the mass of the next generation Thermonuclear warhead (they didn't have a high enough security clearance.)   So the 1960 Atlas F was JUST A GUESS.    Turned out on a kiloton per pound weight, the next generation were significantly lighter.    Atlas F as built is just Atlas D/E but like 2 inches taller (changes to the tooling)

 

Edited Wednesday at 01:36 AM by Pappystein

[GoldForest]

Titan launching X-20 Dyna-soar. Also, PSA. The reconfiguration of Titan parts has broken Pappystein's hypergolic patch. ATM, the LR-87 engines do not accept Hypergolic fuel, but the LR91 still does... for now. Check your fuel tanks and make sure they have the appropriate fuel! Or delete the patch from the extras folder for the time being.

I doubt we'll see an update to the Hypergolic patch until all this reconfiguration is done with, but feel free to prove me wrong Pappy. 

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Edited Wednesday at 09:02 AM by GoldForest

[Entr8899]

I know it isn't a priority for you at the moment, but is there any chance you could add a selection of generic probe solar panels based on real life spacecraft, similar to the ones in ProbesPlus? It would pair nicely with the selection of historic RTGs.

[Pappystein]

6 hours ago, GoldForest said:

Titan launching X-20 Dyna-soar. Also, PSA. The reconfiguration of Titan parts has broken Pappystein's hypergolic patch. ATM, the LR-87 engines do not accept Hypergolic fuel, but the LR91 still does... for now. Check your fuel tanks and make sure they have the appropriate fuel! Or delete the patch from the extras folder for the time being.

I doubt we'll see an update to the Hypergolic patch until all this reconfiguration is done with, but feel free to prove me wrong Pappy. 

Two things:

1) YEs I figured that it would, I am going to start working on the patch today... might be a few days before it is complete for what is currently merged together.

2) The J20 engines for the X-20... did they allow you to actually fly it with a better semblance of control?

 

Oh PS  1 subA) I am going to go through and re-build my missing Titan engine patch right into the HypergolicBDB patchs.

 

 

Edited Wednesday at 03:35 PM by Pappystein

[GoldForest]

16 minutes ago, Pappystein said:

Two things:

1) YEs I figured that it would, I am going to start working on the patch today... might be a few days before it is complete for what is currently merged together.

2) The J20 engines for the X-20... did they allow you to actually fly it with a better semblance of control?

 

Oh PS  1 subA) I am going to go through and re-build my missing Titan engine patch right into the HypergolicBDB patchs.

 

 

Yes, though slowly, sub 200 m/s. It can maintain 5000 meters no problem with AtmoAuto. 

[Pappystein]

So I have updated my personal copy of the Hypergolic Patch for the LR87 changes.   However LR91 changes are soon to be coming so I am not going to release it until they are merged together.

While I am working on updating this patch.   Is there any other Hypergolic Engine/tanks that you all have found that I missed?

Feedback from the general player base would be VERY HELPFUL!   Thanks!

[space-wizards]

Not quite sure who manages the AJ9 patch, but the updated Titan engine parts are not compatible with that patch. Figured a heads up on that would be helpful to someone.

[Pappystein]

6 hours ago, space-wizards said:

Not quite sure who manages the AJ9 patch, but the updated Titan engine parts are not compatible with that patch. Figured a heads up on that would be helpful to someone.

If it hasn't been fixed by the time I am done with the Hypergolic patch I will fix and PR it

 

[Taco Salad]

Fully assembled.

[GoldForest]

1 hour ago, Taco Salad said:

Fully assembled.

Btw, why not use the S-II radial docking port? 

Edited yesterday at 01:42 PM by GoldForest

[DaveyJ576]

2 hours ago, Taco Salad said:

Fully assembled.

Very impressive. Well done!

[CobaltWolf]

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[Taco Salad]

Wait is there a radial construction port?

[Pappystein]

1 hour ago, Taco Salad said:

Wait is there a radial construction port?

there is a whole set of them that came to BDB... a year or so ago.   Part of the NASA not ETS Saturn S-IVC upgrade kit.  Included the inline S-IVC docking ports as well.

[AdrianDogmeat]

Saturn III+ | Space Station Aquarius

Edited 17 hours ago by AdrianDogmeat

[GoldForest]

8 hours ago, Taco Salad said:

Wait is there a radial construction port?

Well, Radial Docking Port Adapter. You'll need to put Apollo ports on it. It also comes in different sizes.

[Taco Salad]

56 minutes ago, GoldForest said:

Well, Radial Docking Port Adapter. You'll need to put Apollo ports on it. It also comes in different sizes.

OH I forgot about this part. Wish it was a docking piece itself instead of being a row of parts nodes. Though it's probably supposed to go with the flat construction ports that also got added, the small ones.

[GoldForest]

33 minutes ago, Taco Salad said:

OH I forgot about this part. Wish it was a docking piece itself instead of being a row of parts nodes. Though it's probably supposed to go with the flat construction ports that also got added, the small ones.

Oh, yeah, you are correct.

[Pappystein]

Just a Heads up for those of you, like me stalking the Github dev section.  Currently, on Github the LR87 engine has a variant that is functional but wrong (it is a new variant that still has all the info for an old variant)

Game should run fine with this but better for me to post about it than a bunch of others giving bug reports

 

[CobaltWolf]

8 hours ago, Taco Salad said:

OH I forgot about this part. Wish it was a docking piece itself instead of being a row of parts nodes. Though it's probably supposed to go with the flat construction ports that also got added, the small ones.

I think of the structure and the ports themselves as kind of one part; they just needed to be separate to have the length switches work. The other thing is it solves the issue of making sure multiple docking nodes can index correctly, since there's only a selection of pre-defined offsets.

[Rodger]

1 hour ago, Pappystein said:

Just a Heads up for those of you, like me stalking the Github dev section.  Currently, on Github the LR87 engine has a variant that is functional but wrong (it is a new variant that still has all the info for an old variant)

Game should run fine with this but better for me to post about it than a bunch of others giving bug reports

Should be all fixed up now, the LR87 AJ11A and the LH2 mode variants should be all set up and have waterfall patches.

[Entr8899]

Will the Titan first and second stage fuel tanks be consolidated into B9PS length switches too?