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[1.12.5] Bluedog Design Bureau - Stockalike Saturn, Apollo, and more! (v1.14.0 "металл" 30/Sep/2024)


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  On 6/25/2024 at 1:13 PM, CobaltWolf said:

No, it was something I briefly considered for KSP2. I honestly don’t see a need for it in KSP1. 

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The smallest Orion would be good for Duna or even Jool missions tbh. Especially for colonies.

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Ages ago someone on here posted a TUFX profile meant to look like NASA’s old publicly photos, the ones taken with Kodachrome and Ektachrome.

Does anyone have a link to it? I want my game to look like this

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  On 6/25/2024 at 7:30 PM, coyotesfrontier said:

Believe it or not, that engine actually already exists in Nertea's Cryogenic Engines mod:

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Totally forgot about that mod :D

Still, it would be cool to have a methalox B9 config for BDB LMAE. Being non-gimballed, it's more compact and weighs less, which gives you another option.

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  On 6/25/2024 at 3:24 PM, zakkpaz said:

Ages ago someone on here posted a TUFX profile meant to look like NASA’s old publicly photos, the ones taken with Kodachrome and Ektachrome.

Does anyone have a link to it? I want my game to look like this

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So cool. :cool:

 

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I'm going to ask this here since y'all have all kinds of reference documents saved away:

Does anyone know when Centaur switched from using HTP reaction control thrusters to hydrazine? I suspect it was Centaur II (Atlas II/III), but I have yet to find any source to back that up.

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  On 6/26/2024 at 1:18 AM, Razgriz1 said:

I'm going to ask this here since y'all have all kinds of reference documents saved away:

Does anyone know when Centaur switched from using HTP reaction control thrusters to hydrazine? I suspect it was Centaur II (Atlas II/III), but I have yet to find any source to back that up.

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The change happened for Atlas G. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlas_G#Centaur_upper_stage

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  On 2/21/2024 at 5:41 PM, CobaltWolf said:

The biggest thing left is the scan platform, which is nominally still Invader's problem and not mine. :)

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It was not, in fact, Invader's problem. I'm going to be finishing Mariner 6/7, which also means Mariner 8/9 will be finished since they need the scan platform. Very exciting.

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  On 6/26/2024 at 2:41 PM, CobaltWolf said:

It was not, in fact, Invader's problem. I'm going to be finishing Mariner 6/7, which also means Mariner 8/9 will be finished since they need the scan platform. Very exciting.

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Bit of a silly question, were Mariner 8/9 just 6/7 models with a big fuel tank added on top? They look very similar to me.

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  On 6/26/2024 at 4:30 PM, GoldForest said:

So 1.14 is shaping up to be the mixed/grab bag update huh? X-15, various engines, Atlas, probes.

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Yes but to be fair, that's what a lot of our updates are since me/Zorg/Invader tend to work on completely different projects. But yeah, that's about the scope of it I think. We're not anywhere close to release but I don't think the scope will get any wider. We all have vague plans/ideas for the following update but nothing is concrete - just know that BDB isn't going away any time soon (Not that I think anyone was worried, what with all the activity around here).

 

  On 6/26/2024 at 4:31 PM, Minmus Taster said:

Bit of a silly question, were Mariner 8/9 just 6/7 models with a big fuel tank added on top? They look very similar to me.

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Pretty much! You can think of Mariner 8/9 as being an orbital version of 6/7. In addition to the propulsion module, there are some other changes for 8/9 - the solar panels are on outriggers instead of connecting to the top edges of the core, the LGA is shorter, the HGA is moved outboard, and a medium gain horn antenna was added. The core (or at least, it's structure) was shared with the Mariners all the way back to 3, while the solars (save the aforementioned mount changes), star trackers, and science platform are shared with 6/7.

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  On 6/26/2024 at 2:23 PM, CobaltWolf said:
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Funny enough.   Centaur D.1AR is not a Centaur D.1A with new insulation like Wikipeda would suggest.

Rather it is the Shuttle Centaur D.1R brought to life.   D.1R was "stepped over" for what became Centaur G/G'.   But during the process to "man rate" and "Shuttlefy" the Centaur, they had already made the changes to eliminate the highly reactive H2O2 from the stage.   Hydrazine, while a reactive chemical, is much easier to control than Hydrogen Peroxide at the percentages we are talking about.   Since all future RL10s would be Hydrogen Peroxide free, A new Centaur Stage had to be made.   NASA dusted off the now almost 10 year old plans for D.1R and designed a new insulation shell, since the D.1A's shell was not comparable and was in fact out of production with no tooling remaining.

Why NASA couldn't contract for the D.1A's insulation to be made?  Simple this was post Challenger failure.... Prior to Challenger, the manufactures were ordered to destroy any tooling for out of production stages.   Atlas Centaur was considered out of production.   The tooling had yet to be destroyed for Atlas or centaur tank-age, but the subcontractor for the insulation panels did destroy their molds.   This is also why the RS27 power block replaces the LR89 powerblock on Atlas I   Because the LR89 powerblock tooling no longer existed.   RS27 is a derivative of LR79... so is LR89 so it fits!  (And yes it is MUCH more nuanced than I am saying here... this is a sorta TL:DR version of what actually happened.



 

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  On 6/25/2024 at 3:24 PM, zakkpaz said:

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While this image is still fresh, what's the policy on flotation devices for capsules like in this picture? Is it "Gee we never thought to implement these, We'll get right to it" or "Screw you and your stupid kiddie floaties, go bother someone else about it"?

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  On 6/26/2024 at 4:50 PM, CobaltWolf said:

Yes but to be fair, that's what a lot of our updates are since me/Zorg/Invader tend to work on completely different projects. But yeah, that's about the scope of it I think. We're not anywhere close to release but I don't think the scope will get any wider. We all have vague plans/ideas for the following update but nothing is concrete - just know that BDB isn't going away any time soon (Not that I think anyone was worried, what with all the activity around here).

 

Pretty much! You can think of Mariner 8/9 as being an orbital version of 6/7. In addition to the propulsion module, there are some other changes for 8/9 - the solar panels are on outriggers instead of connecting to the top edges of the core, the LGA is shorter, the HGA is moved outboard, and a medium gain horn antenna was added. The core (or at least, it's structure) was shared with the Mariners all the way back to 3, while the solars (save the aforementioned mount changes), star trackers, and science platform are shared with 6/7.

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Hmmm. Any plans to bring the X-20 into BDB in a future update? I know Well has a mod for it, but I would love to see what a full fledged BDB X-20 would be like.

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  On 6/26/2024 at 5:32 PM, Socowez said:

While this image is still fresh, what's the policy on flotation devices for capsules like in this picture? Is it "Gee we never thought to implement these, We'll get right to it" or "Screw you and your stupid kiddie floaties, go bother someone else about it"?

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I like that there's only those two options.

 

  On 6/26/2024 at 6:00 PM, GoldForest said:

Hmmm. Any plans to bring the X-20 into BDB in a future update? I know Well has a mod for it, but I would love to see what a full fledged BDB X-20 would be like.

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No plans but if I did I'd probably just clean up the textures instead of making one from scratch.

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How to build the Atlas F ICBM into a space launcher!:

ps this is the ORIGIONAL proposed Atlas F... not what was actually built!

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Step 1) Realize this thing's Fuel tanks are TALLER than Atlas III.  
Step 1a) wait, Centaur Jr comes from here?! :P
Step 2)

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Clarification. Thanks Zorg!
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I think its worth clarifying for the un-initiated this Atlas F is a completely different beast to the Atlas F we actually ended up actually getting.

  On 6/26/2024 at 8:07 PM, Pappystein said:

How to build the Atlas F ICBM into a space launcher!:

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