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DDE Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 Rogozin floats the idea of Soyuz ships launched from Kourou https://www.facebook.com/dmitry.rogozin.739/posts/430662262145576 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDE Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 Grom-2022 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerbiloid Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 Kura still doesn't surrender! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDE Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 ORANGE STRIPES Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starhawk Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 Some content has been removed from this thread. Political discussion on the forum almost always leads to unpleasantness. Not to mention anger, flamewars, and thread locks. That is why we don't allow political content on the forum. Thank you for your understanding, Forum moderation team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDE Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 On 2/17/2022 at 12:05 PM, DDE said: Rogozin floats the idea of Soyuz ships launched from Kourou https://www.facebook.com/dmitry.rogozin.739/posts/430662262145576 Didn't know it wasn't just Rogozin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDE Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 Roscosmos completes teardown of a number of Protons recalled over faulty bolts in summer of 2020; Ekspress launches to likely resume https://ria.ru/20220222/rakety-1774276489.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerbiloid Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 The men of Chelyabinsk are so brutal a local meme that even the rocket bolts they make are overtempered before the flight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beccab Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeSchmuckatelli Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 Rogozin also threatened to deorbit ISS... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codraroll Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 3 hours ago, JoeSchmuckatelli said: Rogozin also threatened to deorbit ISS... That'd be a great way to ensure that absolutely nobody will let them cooperate on its successor. He's just making the usual bluster due to politics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeSchmuckatelli Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Codraroll said: . He's just making the usual bluster due to politics. True. He said something similar in 2014 and it's still flying. Edited February 26, 2022 by JoeSchmuckatelli Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SunlitZelkova Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 6 hours ago, Beccab said: I think it is way too early to tell what will happen. There is a lot of hysteria, on par with that of 1947, going around. The ILRS is still a thing. At the very least, perhaps in the coming months and years we might see deeper Sino-Russian cooperation for the new Luna probes. If you were in 1993, the dream of a NASA space station looked dead. Congress was hostile to it; in June of that year in nearly got completely cancelled had it not been for one vote in the House of Representatives. We can't predict what will happen, certainly not a mere two days after the event that set this series of actions into motion. 4 hours ago, JoeSchmuckatelli said: Rogozin also threatened to deorbit ISS... I don't think he threatened so much as he reminded the US to be careful of what it does. If a crew mutinies aboard a nuclear powered ice breaker that is having reactor issues, and they threaten to kill the engineers aboard, them reminding them that if they do, they will all die, isn't a threat- it is a fact. This is the vibe that I got from the release of the statement on TASS. I myself was pretty shocked when specific reference to "their space program" was made during the announcement. To put it into perspective, if the situation was reversed, NASA's statements would not be seen as a threat, they would be seen as an appeal to not harm the space station's operations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beccab Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 3 hours ago, SunlitZelkova said: I think it is way too early to tell what will happen. There is a lot of hysteria, on par with that of 1947, going around. The ILRS is still a thing. At the very least, perhaps in the coming months and years we might see deeper Sino-Russian cooperation for the new Luna probes. If you were in 1993, the dream of a NASA space station looked dead. Congress was hostile to it; in June of that year in nearly got completely cancelled had it not been for one vote in the House of Representatives. We can't predict what will happen, certainly not a mere two days after the event that set this series of actions into motion. I don't think he threatened so much as he reminded the US to be careful of what it does. If a crew mutinies aboard a nuclear powered ice breaker that is having reactor issues, and they threaten to kill the engineers aboard, them reminding them that if they do, they will all die, isn't a threat- it is a fact. This is the vibe that I got from the release of the statement on TASS. I myself was pretty shocked when specific reference to "their space program" was made during the announcement. To put it into perspective, if the situation was reversed, NASA's statements would not be seen as a threat, they would be seen as an appeal to not harm the space station's operations. For one I am sure that NASA's statement wouldn't be in the usual tone Rogozin puts in his tweets of a teenager throwing a tantrum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerbiloid Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 (edited) Friends and foes flip every 30 years. By 2050 (when the lunar basing will become a thing, and the first ITER fruits will appear) Rogozin (or his colleagues) will cut a red band of honor together with NASA counterparts, opening something. Quote military spacecraft will have priority over civilian (my translation: forget about any new application or science spacecraft this decade) Just the military-applied science will have a priority, and a double-purpose research equipment. Hubble is a overturned spysat, iirc. Edited February 26, 2022 by kerbiloid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatastrophicFailure Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 And so it begins… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SunlitZelkova Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 1 hour ago, Beccab said: For one I am sure that NASA's statement wouldn't be in the usual tone Rogozin puts in his tweets of a teenager throwing a tantrum Yes, but there is a difference between being angry at something and threatening something. 30 minutes ago, CatastrophicFailure said: And so it begins… I wonder what this means for the proposal to launch Soyuz (the crewed spacecraft) from Guiana Space Center. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beccab Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 15 minutes ago, SunlitZelkova said: I wonder what this means for the proposal to launch Soyuz (the crewed spacecraft) from Guiana Space Center. That was always very unlikely to happen, I'm more curious about Exomars personally. Iirc, the launch campaign begins in a couple weeks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultimate Steve Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 Exomars 2018 2020 2022 2024? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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kerbiloid Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 Nobody wants the proliferation. Nobody wants a hundred of RTG appear everywhere in jungles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Snark Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 Lots of content removed, due to getting side-tracked into politics. Folks, we understand that this is a fraught topic, given events going on these days. But please remember that politics are out of bounds for the forums. Yes, it can be difficult to avoid politics when discussing any particular nation's space program, since space programs are heavily government-funded and government-directed, and those funds and directions are typically politically motivated. However, be that as it may, please avoid the political side of things as much as possible. For example, it's generally okay to state that such-and-such mission was launched, or this is what the status is, or that sort of thing; that's not politics per se. But if you get into why that was done, you are on pretty thin ice-- e.g. asserting that it's a decision based on <something political>, that's over the line. Arguing about the involvement of the military, national ambitions, which politicians are likely to do what in response to what other actions; politics, too. Let's please try to be careful, okay? Thank you for your understanding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gargamel Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 Due to other threads popping up, discussion of the AN 225 has been moved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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