Air Superiority Fighter Competition

[Piatzin]

This should work........

The drones have no ammo, so please offset two 50 cal ammo boxes into the craft right above the COM

https://kerbalx.com/Earthlinger/Berzerker-Drone

What are the AI engagement settings? If it's not default, then could you set visual/gun range to max, and burst length to 10?

Thanks

[exbyde]

Since the last fight was a dud, it's time to pit Man vs Machine. This round, we have @SuicidalInsanity's optionally manned X-02 taisch, which bears a close resemblance to the ADF-01 Falken of Aces High lore, versus the reigning 5th place fighter, @53miner53's Fighter 3.

X-02 Taisch on the left, F3 on the right

1v1: Taisch, 2-1

Taisch-Got a missile hit in on the F3
F3- Taisch self-destructed while launching an AIM-120.
Taisch- The X-02 may only have one gun, but it is laser precise when it comes to shooting. As soon as the Taisch got within gun range, it knocked the wing off the F3.

3v3: Taisch, 3-0

Taisch: 3-1 - The Taisch is an exceedingly devastating pack hunter, knocking out 2 of the 3 opposing aircraft on the initial pass. The final aircraft was shot at by all 3 Taisch until a pass killed both the F3 and a taisch.
Taisch: 3-1 - An F3 was gunned down on the initial pass, and in the midst of a dogfight, a Taisch ran into the water. The remaining f3s were chased down by Taisch for roughly 3 minutes before both aircraft remembered they had guns and shot down the F3s almost synchronously.
Taisch: 3-0 - The Taisch closed the initial gap and gunned down the opposing F3s within 30 seconds of each other.

5v5:

F3: 5-4 -The F3s were on top of their game here, as they wound down the Taisch with guns to one last fighter, with only two losses. The final Taisch took out two of the three remaining enemy aircraft, with a final burst knocking out the Taisch.
Taisch: 5-0 -The Taisch knocked out three F3s with missiles, and chased down the remaining two with guns. Predictable but fun to watch.
Taisch: 5-3 - After trading missile kills for a while, and one Taisch running into the ground, the remaining Taisch wiped out the F3s with guns.

All in all, the Taisch is an exceedingly effective fighter. Its nearly 400m/s intercept speed makes it hard to hit, and its ability to use its single vulcan with laser-esque precision is nuts. I think we will be seeing the Taisch on the board for a long time... @HeroBrian_333, we have a new #5 in the X-02 Taisch



 

36 minutes ago, Earthlinger said:

This should work........

The drones have no ammo, so please offset two 50 cal ammo boxes into the craft right above the COM

https://kerbalx.com/Earthlinger/Berzerker-Drone

What are the AI engagement settings? If it's not default, then could you set visual/gun range to max, and burst length to 10?

Thanks

I can do that. I'll test it out after i finish placing the Taisch.

Edited December 4, 2017 by exbyde

[Dimas152]

i'm kinda pessimistic when looking on other fighters
they have so many missiles
i'm not sure my fighters can do AI vs AI battle bc i just tested it manually without AIs

[exbyde]

6 hours ago, [INDO]dimas_1502 said:

i'm kinda pessimistic when looking on other fighters
they have so many missiles
i'm not sure my fighters can do AI vs AI battle bc i just tested it manually without AIs

A majority of the kills are gun kills. Once the aircraft get out of the initial approach, you see Vulcans being used a lot more than AIM-9s. That being said, testing your aircraft with an AI is critical, otherwise it'll probably not get on the board. Look at 53's fighter 3, if it had less issues with running into buildings and piloting in general, it'd probably be in the #4 or #3 spot.

Edited December 4, 2017 by exbyde

[AeroGav]

10 hours ago, exbyde said:

Overall, this was a massive surprise to me, given the F3's pilot problems. The  Kryfoon did poorly in single aircraft duels, but given a squadron, it nearly matched up with the F3, trading kills but always coming up a little short. Apparently the F3 is good for two things, knocking down buildings and heavy fighters. No changes in the roster.

Damn that sucks.     So it's the worst plane you've tested then, and won't be getting another shot against anything?

Despite it's size, it does better in turns lasting over 3 seconds than anything else i downloaded.   But yes, it did suffer a spate of losses when i first built it, getting shot down in the head on pass before the two aircraft ever got into gun range.    Thought i'd solved that, but clearly not.    Ironically, it's ability to turn at high g without dropping below 100 m/s makes it good at avoiding missiles normally.

Unlike other challenges, where you know how much delta v your craft has etc.,  it can always fail to perform on the day.

This is why i prefer a "league" system of matchups.   Maybe I should conduct those - a series of quick 1v1s and the one topping the league table for "points" is the best fighter?

[exbyde]

2 hours ago, AeroGav said:

Damn that sucks.     So it's the worst plane you've tested then, and won't be getting another shot against anything?

Despite it's size, it does better in turns lasting over 3 seconds than anything else i downloaded.   But yes, it did suffer a spate of losses when i first built it, getting shot down in the head on pass before the two aircraft ever got into gun range.    Thought i'd solved that, but clearly not.    Ironically, it's ability to turn at high g without dropping below 100 m/s makes it good at avoiding missiles normally.

Unlike other challenges, where you know how much delta v your craft has etc.,  it can always fail to perform on the day.

This is why i prefer a "league" system of matchups.   Maybe I should conduct those - a series of quick 1v1s and the one topping the league table for "points" is the best fighter?

It was close. I think your aircraft would have won if you set the default altitude to 3.5k or better and put more chaff. You always suffered losses from radar weapons in the opening of 3v3 and 5v5, and that put you at an immediate disadvantage. Add chaff and set your default altitude higher, then run some tests against the f3. If you do that and cut a bit of weight you probably have a roster aircraft. We can test your aircraft again after hiatus.

Oh, you may also want to get rid of the nose missiles or put them inline. I did not see them seek or attempt to seek after launch.

Also, eidahlil just created another contest this morning because we are on hiatus until testing concludes. Lets not all go "i'm going to make my own air superiority fight with blackjack and hookers" because something didn't turn out as you liked.

Edited December 4, 2017 by exbyde

[NotAnAimbot]

39 minutes ago, exbyde said:

and bezerker

Don't forget the F-25

[exbyde]

8 minutes ago, NotAnAimbot said:

Don't forget the F-25

F-25 is on the bottom of the list or second to by submission. His is a simple change of chaff and an ai setting so if he can submit in a timely fashion, his will be re-tested before proceeding beyond the taisch on the list

[NotAnAimbot]

So anyone with a plane in the roster can just modifiy it and skip in front of new submissions?

[HeroBrian_333]

38 minutes ago, NotAnAimbot said:

So anyone with a plane in the roster can just modifiy it and skip in front of new submissions?

No, it must be designated as a new iteration, such as mk. 2, and will go to the bottom of the list. However, we are currently on hiatus.

[exbyde]

1 hour ago, NotAnAimbot said:

So anyone with a plane in the roster can just modifiy it and skip in front of new submissions?

no, and that wasn't my intention. The Kryfoon has a glaring weakness in a single category, and that's chaff dispensers. Since the chaff issue was big enough that it made the aircraft run into the ground during 1v1 and turned 3v3 matches into 2v3 or worse, i was going to ask him to fix, but as Brian has pointed out, that is not fair to other competitors, yourself included. We will be testing out the x-02, followed by Earthlinger's drones, then the Fighter 2 mark two, then we should be back on the original schedule.  @HeroBrian_333I'd like to hold off on testing the AB-17 Moses until we have a ruling on turrets or parts count. My laptop runs a 1060 and an i7 and it wouldnt keep up with a 3v3 of moses vs. anything

[HeroBrian_333]

Agreed. AB-17 Moses may still compete for honorable mention.

[drtricky]

4 hours ago, exbyde said:

@HeroBrian_333I'd like to hold off on testing the AB-17 Moses until we have a ruling on turrets or parts count. My laptop runs a 1060 and an i7 and it wouldnt keep up with a 3v3 of moses vs. anything

I was more thinking a 1v1.

Edited December 4, 2017 by drtricky

[exbyde]

20 minutes ago, drtricky said:

I was more thinking a 1v1.

Your aircraft is armed with enough firepower to outclass any CIWS from any angle aside from a small cone in the nose and tail. And even then you have a pair of movable missile launchers with targeting radars on them. The only fair fight is a "super" fight, I.E. Monstron, 1v1 only due to my computer hating life.

[drtricky]

5 minutes ago, exbyde said:

Your aircraft is armed with enough firepower to outclass any CIWS from any angle aside from a small cone in the nose and tail. And even then you have a pair of movable missile launchers with targeting radars on them. The only fair fight is a "super" fight, I.E. Monstron, 1v1 only due to my computer hating life.

I did scrape together enough time to test it 1v1 against a regular fighter, and it was actually shot down on numerous occasions. Neither did it shoot down any incoming missiles (It somehow managed to dodge them sometimes).

But I don't hold anything if you don't wanna run it due to computer lag. I wouldn't either. 

Edited December 4, 2017 by drtricky

[exbyde]

1 minute ago, drtricky said:

I did scrape together enough time to test it against a regular fighter, and it was actually shot down on numerous occasions. Neither did it shoot down any incoming missiles (It somehow managed to dodge them sometimes).

But I don't hold anything if you don't wanna run it due to computer lag. I wouldn't either. 

You are in the queue, a single 1v1 match will be held to assess which one of these unholy abominations will kill the other first. Video will be provided

[exbyde]

So for Bragging rights only, i versed the reigning super, Sonic The Hedgehog on Speed, @Eidahlil's Monstron, against the latest  Super in the queue, @drtricky's AB-17 Moses.

1v1: Monstron, 2-0
Monstron likes missiles. Monstron REALLY likes missiles. You may as well call it Molestron. 

Monstron: The second fight was the same, except the monstron fired fewer missiles as it just kept its distance.

Monstron probably deserves the recognition as fastest, as it essentially hits 600m/s and runs away. the AB-17 just didn't have the rate of fire to take care of business.

[drtricky]

@exbyde Once again man, thanks for recording it.

Yeah, the Jernas unnaturally slow RoF is a big weakness. Adequate against anything that isn't half SR-71 Blackbird.

[HeroBrian_333]

1 hour ago, exbyde said:

Monstron likes missiles. Monstron REALLY likes missiles. You may as well call it Molestron. 

This a Disney refrence?

Spoiler

 

Edited December 4, 2017 by HeroBrian_333

[exbyde]

27 minutes ago, HeroBrian_333 said:

This a Disney refrence?

  Reveal hidden contents

 

My aunt's the one with the glass disney plush cabinets. I just havent seen an aircraft hit by four sequential AIM-120s.

[exbyde]

3 hours ago, drtricky said:

@exbyde Once again man, thanks for recording it.

Yeah, the Jernas unnaturally slow RoF is a big weakness. Adequate against anything that isn't half SR-71 Blackbird.

No problem Dr D.

ALRIGHT LADIES AND GENTS, WE're changing things up a bit here. I don't have nearly as much free time as i think i do, so we're going to be cutting battles back to 3v3 only. The scoreboard stays, meaning you need to beat the No. 5 aircraft on a roster in a 3v3 fight to get on the board. Three fights will be conducted, best of 3 wins the spot.

And tonght we have the duel of the gunslingers, In the #5 slot we have the X-02 Taisch from @SuicidalInsanity , gunning for the #4 slot from  @FleshJeb's Be Gentle. Who will win, Man or Machine?

Off the runway, the X-02 seems to be a faster airplane, easily getting 100m in the air before the Gentle rotates. However, the battle tells the tale, as the first casualty in the first battle is a Taisch, destroying itself with its own AMRAMM due to a misfire! The second and third engage the be Gentles, but FleshJeb's creations have the upper hand with their extra guns, wiping out the two remaining Taisch.

In the second battle, the Taisch show just how closely matched they are to the Be Gentle, trading kills with the Gentles. Its clear the guns need a re-work on the Taisch, as the Gentles dodge the light bits of gunfire. With the battle 2 to 1 in the Taisch's favor, the last Be Gentle knocks out a Taisch, but can't get the last Taisch out of his baffles, taking home a win for the Taisch

In the final battle, for ALL the marbles, the Taisch show their A-game, getting an initial missile kill and then a gun kill soon after. The final kill was split between at least two Taisch, both using that single cannon to its best effect in tearing apart the Be Gentle.

And with the fighting over, the Taisch claims its new spot in No. 4 on the list, pushing the Be Gentle brutally to the number five spot, where it will face off against @Earthlinger's drones

 

[SuicidalInsanity]

Thought I fixed the AMRAAM suicide problem. Guess the submitted version didn't get the fixed launch delay; no matter, the Taisch seems to perform adequately regardless.
Was the initial match vs the F-3 recorded?

[HeroBrian_333]

RIP Be Gentle

[exbyde]

3 minutes ago, SuicidalInsanity said:

Thought I fixed the AMRAAM suicide problem. Guess the submitted version didn't get the fixed launch delay; no matter, the Taisch seems to perform adequately regardless.
Was the initial match vs the F-3 recorded?

Yeah, i just paused when the first one blew up. I was recording and the one i was watching blew up. I'll submit in a bit, spoiler, the Taisch is now in the #3 slot, writeup incoming

And for our next battle, @SuicidalInsanity Taisch X-02 takes on the long time #3, @53miner53's Fighter 2.

In the first fight, the Taisch shows off its maneuvering and gunslinging skills, Taking one loss, killing an F2 and knocking out the last two by clipping their wings with precision gunfire almost at the same time.

In the second round, the Taisch uses its extreme speed and missiles to cut through the F2's shorter missile gap, but the F2s show off some impressive gun handling, knocking out all three Taisch without a loss!

And in the final round, for the #3 slot on the roster, the Taisch puts its single gun to good use, knocking a pair of F2's out of the sky. The final F2 goes out with a bang with a pair of missiles up the tailpipe!

And so the Taisch takes the No. 3 slot, Putting the F2 to bed in the No.4 on the roster.

 

[exbyde]

And for the third battle of the night, we have @SuicidalInsanity's X-02 Taisch here to finally challenge @Thor Wotansen domination of the leaderboard with the Sanngrior. Its the Battle of the Drones, and there's a big size difference here between the tiny Sanngrior and the Taisch, but even on takeoff, the Taisch appears to rotate first and get airborne faster. Is this any indication of what's to come?

In the first battle, the Taisch gets the first rounds off, putting the Sanngrior on the defensive, but not for long, as the little drones come back to bite, showing they can keep up with the bigger Tasich no problem! 3-0 for the first round

In the second battle, the Taisch seems to figure out the Sanngrior's weakspot, killing one with a gun kill, and the final two with missiles, 3-0!

For all the marbles... The Taisch's self shootdown issue comes back from the dead, claiming the right aircraft in the formation before the fight begins! The Sanngrior sweep up the Taisch with guns, but not before losing an aircraft.

So as it stands, the Taisch is currently sitting at Number 3...Who will be the next to challenge Thor's reign? Find out....like later or something, i promise.