JoeSchmuckatelli Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 (edited) On 9/22/2021 at 5:13 PM, Bej Kerman said: What exactly is the SLS for? NASA would sure have a lot more money to play around with if they just scrapped the SLS, put the RS-25s back into museums and relegated this task to the Falcon rockets. If NASA were a business, sure. It's not. Functionally SLS is a program designed way back when to keep current the people working on space, and to retain the ability to build rockets. The program kept both personnel and facilities open at a time when they might have dispersed, closed, or gone on to other work. Why is that an important consideration? Read anything about what is going on in the automotive industry related to the chip shortage: when you shut down a program/line... it takes way more effort to get it up and running again than one might think. Sure, SLS has been eclipsed (now) - but wasn't at inception. Derp - I've already answered this, previously. Silly forum Edited October 18, 2021 by JoeSchmuckatelli Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrandedonEarth Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 Oh look, another pit to shovel money into. See, they're going to decompocatalyse the dollar bills to make hydrogen to fuel the RL-10s.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeSchmuckatelli Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 On 10/18/2021 at 8:27 PM, StrandedonEarth said: decompocatalyse The decompocatalyze ray was discontinued for civilian applications after NBC leaked the footage. Watch Saturday Night Live Highlight: Amazin' Laser - NBC.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NFUN Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 On 10/18/2021 at 4:22 PM, JoeSchmuckatelli said: If NASA were a business, sure. It's not. Functionally SLS is a program designed way back when to keep current the people working on space, and to retain the ability to build rockets. The program kept both personnel and facilities open at a time when they might have dispersed, closed, or gone on to other work. Why is that an important consideration? Read anything about what is going on in the automotive industry related to the chip shortage: when you shut down a program/line... it takes way more effort to get it up and running again than one might think. Sure, SLS has been eclipsed (now) - but wasn't at inception. Derp - I've already answered this, previously. Silly forum ok and they could've created a makeshift program intended to keep the industry alive that could also, like, do something useful Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeSchmuckatelli Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 1 hour ago, NFUN said: ok and they could've created a makeshift program intended to keep the industry alive that could also, like, do something useful Not how congress works: you do realize that if it looks like an entitlement, walks like an entitlement and quacks like an entitlement, its not an entitlement if they have to look like they're working for it and its high tech or farm related. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrandedonEarth Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 8 hours ago, JoeSchmuckatelli said: The decompocatalyze ray was discontinued for civilian applications after NBC leaked the footage. Watch Saturday Night Live Highlight: Amazin' Laser - NBC.com Totally frustrating that SNL on YouTube is geoblocked in Canada. Probably streaming somewhere. But anyways…. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeSchmuckatelli Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, StrandedonEarth said: SNL on YouTube That is direct from the sauce - NBC. It's one of the few snl clips that cannot be found on UtUb (in case if even mentioning yutub is a crime in SovietCanada) Edited October 21, 2021 by JoeSchmuckatelli Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SunlitZelkova Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 It will be very surreal seeing SLS and Orion fully stacked. Because I don't treat space as "our thing" (as a member of humanity) and instead as "someone else's thing" (the aerospace engineers and various scientists themselves) I have had no expectations for it to "be done" as soon as possible, but in terms of observing someone else's project, I still have the mindset it should/will never be completed. I still have very clear memories of reading about SLS as a third grader, back when the graphics had it in a black and white paint scheme, and learning that the first launch was supposed to be in 2017. At the time, I thought "wow, that is very far in the future". That still feels like just yesterday and a crewed spacecraft launching beyond LEO still feels like something that should either be in the future (consigned to nice looking graphics) or in history (Apollo). It will be even more surreal watching it launch. On the other hand, Starship is very new, and I don't really try to juxtapose everything within some sort of personal narrative or view of history, so Starship development launches feel completely normal and un-abnormally interesting, despite SN8/SN9/SN10/SN11/SN15 being the size of a Space Shuttle orbiter (I have seen the Orbiter training mockup at the Museum of Flight in Seattle and therefore have some sense of Starship's scale thanks to the images people have provided here) and intended for freaking Mars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cubinator Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 Wow, NASA getting something done in several hours! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultimate Steve Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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GuessingEveryDay Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Beccab said: From a SpaceX fan: Damn, they really want to be first, don't they? Edited October 22, 2021 by GuessingEveryDay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RCgothic Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 Well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beccab Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 2 minutes ago, RCgothic said: Well. It's eric berger, he probably made it up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RealKerbal3x Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 X to doubt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beccab Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 1 minute ago, RealKerbal3x said: X to doubt Yeah, no Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tater Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 Since the only payload for SLS is Orion, we take the >$2B per launch cost, and we need to increment based on EUS cost (2X ICPS? More?), then add Orion. Orion is $900M not counting the SM. Trading with ESA for that might be less of a thing if they want more of them. Wanna say the SM was a few hundred million, think it's posted up thread. Marginal cost with EUS/Orion has got to be closer to $3.5B or more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codraroll Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 O O What's that, you may ask? It's the Venn diagram featuring SLS and a "Sustainable and affordable system". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beccab Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 1 minute ago, Codraroll said: O O What's that, you may ask? It's the Venn diagram featuring SLS and a "Sustainable and affordable system". Coincidentally, it's also the venn diagram of SLS Block 2 and rockets that have a chance of existing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cubinator Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 3 hours ago, Beccab said: Coincidentally, it's also the venn diagram of SLS Block 2 and rockets that have a chance of existing Seriously, though, if SLS keeps launching into 2050 without upgrading to a much larger and more powerful block, we will be back to hoping for Mars missions in the 30s...The 2130s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerbiloid Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 If cancel the SLS, then - what? Redo all KSP rocket mods? Just get on with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RCgothic Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 SLS won't keep launching into the 2050s. It'll be lucky to make the 2030s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beccab Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 6 minutes ago, RCgothic said: SLS won't keep launching into the 2050s. It'll be lucky to make the 2030s. But hey, it will probably have one SLS free for launching something that is not Orion in the 2030s! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RCgothic Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 Hey, if there's one left over to stick in a rocket garden I won't be complaining. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotius Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 SLS at half price? That explains that weird sound i heard several days ago. It was outraged screeching of Boeing and Aerojet execs who just heard about this idea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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