Superfluous J Posted September 4, 2022 Share Posted September 4, 2022 1 hour ago, JoeSchmuckatelli said: IIRC that's the 'Going West' thing the Elves were doing Right, but that was them leaving Middle Earth, which was a positive thing for an Elf. So the Elves ENTERING Middle Earth was therefore a negative thing that they were doing out of necessity, not because it was so great to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeSchmuckatelli Posted September 4, 2022 Share Posted September 4, 2022 1 hour ago, Superfluous J said: Right, but that was them leaving Middle Earth, which was a positive thing for an Elf. So the Elves ENTERING Middle Earth was therefore a negative thing that they were doing out of necessity, not because it was so great to do. Going off of 35 year old memories; IIRC, they were there from the beginning and supposed to be care-takers or something. Then all the other races either arrived (Humans, Hobbits) or were created to compete (Orcs, etc.)... or am I misremembering? They were there - it was a place to exist and effectively be immortal; but going West was when they'd finally realized the world had moved on and they were superfluous or something. I don't really remember them having a migratory phase to Middle Earth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superfluous J Posted September 4, 2022 Share Posted September 4, 2022 17 minutes ago, JoeSchmuckatelli said: Going off of 35 year old memories I can only really go by what's in the show and what others say, as I didn't read enough of it to be able to speak with any authority. In the show, they seem to have come to Middle Earth specifically for the task for stopping this great evil thing of which Sauron was a big part. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerbiloid Posted September 4, 2022 Share Posted September 4, 2022 3 hours ago, JoeSchmuckatelli said: @kerbiloid - were you talking about this? 3 hours ago, JoeSchmuckatelli said: But... this excerpt? Is it accurate? Quote Melkor had the most powerful amp and speakers of all Ainur, so those floating in space next to him inadvertedly picked up the screams of "What's up, I got Patrone in my cup!". Upon hearing the screwup, Eluvatar rose and with a fatherly smile started a new song, and it had new strength and new beauty. But the beautiful words about broken hallelujah were once again mixed with screams of "One Boy, One Girl" - and although there were no boys or girls among the Ainur, Melkor was getting the upper hand again. Yes, it's the text which I mean, but in translation it sounds rather different. (The narrator's mud and intonation in original is specific.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tater Posted September 4, 2022 Share Posted September 4, 2022 I watched the 3 LoTR movies, but had some serious issues with them. Most importantly completely taking all agency from the characters who should be the protagonists (Hobbits)—no scouring of the Shire! The oversized orcs were also annoying. I watched the first of the Hobbit movies, was so disgusted I didn't watch the others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superfluous J Posted September 4, 2022 Share Posted September 4, 2022 (edited) 8 hours ago, tater said: no scouring of the Shire! I think the lack of Saruman a.k.a. Sharky shaking down the Shire in a pitiful stab at rounding out the Hero's journey was one of the things the movies got exactly right. That and leaving out Tom Bombadil. Edited September 4, 2022 by Superfluous J Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerbiloid Posted September 4, 2022 Share Posted September 4, 2022 Even the One Ring has no power over Tom Bomb-a-Deal, let alone the film makers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeSchmuckatelli Posted September 4, 2022 Share Posted September 4, 2022 47 minutes ago, Superfluous J said: That and leaving out Tom Bombadil Disagree! - how you leave Tom out of the story is odd. You have to put him in, even if merely an 'unexplained cameo' - readers will get the reference, explain it to the casual film goer and it doesn't leave the gaping hole. (Part of the wonder and oddity of the world - the beginning needs wonder, frivolity and oddness to counter later grittiness with the darkness of Sauron and the Nazgul.) 9 hours ago, tater said: watched the 3 LoTR movies, but had some serious issues with them I brought my in-laws to the first. None of them had read any of the stories. My FIL summarized it as "Run-run-run... Fight-fight-fight". He never knew what was going on, or why. Still - I thought PJ did a really good job of bringing the story to the big screen, and the use of New Zealand was brilliant! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tater Posted September 4, 2022 Share Posted September 4, 2022 (edited) 58 minutes ago, Superfluous J said: I think the lack of Saruman a.k.a. Sharky shaking down the Shire in a pitiful stab at rounding out the Hero's journey was one of the things the movies got exactly right. That and leaving out Tom Bombadil. There was no hero's journey, Frodo and Sam were an afterthought in the movies. This was clear at The Ford of Bruinen when Frodo should have drawn Sting to face the riders and certainly die, only to then be saved—and instead he simply stayed virtually unconscious to be saved by Arwen, his entire agency stolen by leaving out literally 2 seconds of film showing him ready to fight and die—so they could add agency to a character that should not have been there. (edit: I might have remembered some of that wrong, I only saw the movies the one time in the theater, I found them visually nice, but was not super happy with them, and have not seen them since) (edit 2: When Sam and Frodo were in Osgiliath in the movie Sam says something like "by all rights we shouldn't be here, Mr Frodo" and I said out loud, in the theater, "You're ___ ____ right you shouldn't be there" (Walter White voice)—because they were never there.) Edited September 4, 2022 by tater Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerbiloid Posted September 4, 2022 Share Posted September 4, 2022 Probably, their budgets were spent on hyperrealistic spiders of all kinds. So, no Bombie, no Barrow-wights, no Sharky, and even the trolls in the Hobbit look thinner than could be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDE Posted September 6, 2022 Share Posted September 6, 2022 On 9/4/2022 at 5:01 PM, tater said: There was no hero's journey, Frodo and Sam were an afterthought in the movies. This was clear at The Ford of Bruinen when Frodo should have drawn Sting to face the riders and certainly die, only to then be saved—and instead he simply stayed virtually unconscious to be saved by Arwen, his entire agency stolen by leaving out literally 2 seconds of film showing him ready to fight and die—so they could add agency to a character that should not have been there. The whole "Xenarwen" thing only got corrected hy the release of the second film, but its slimy trail is all over Helm's Deep. They managed to edit Arwen out of it, but not an entire army of elves. Spoiler Tauriel of the Hobbit series also did not get particularly improved by the last-second addition of a love triangle... after the actress was promised there wouldn't be a love triangle. It seems she-elves just can't catch a break in that franchise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tater Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 Something that doesn't look like it's been ruined (I hope): Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSaint Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 So, I was looking up information about Dune: Part Two. And I noticed that Villenueve had cast Christopher Walken as Emperor Shaddam IV. Which is awesome. I think Walken is one of the great character actors of our time, I don't really think he gets the respect he deserves. But then I got this image in my head. I can't get it out. "Paul. Your father. He wanted you to have this gold watch...." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDE Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 On 9/16/2022 at 8:36 AM, TheSaint said: But then I got this image in my head. I can't get it out. "Paul. Your father. He wanted you to have this gold watch...." Spoiler So you would say the image is etched in your memory? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSaint Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, DDE said: Hide contents So you would say the image is etched in your memory? Spoiler No, was thinking more of this one Edited September 18, 2022 by TheSaint Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerbiloid Posted September 19, 2022 Share Posted September 19, 2022 A watchtower. Spoiler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDE Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 Without watching For All Mankind, I've learnt that its alt-history premise has jumped the shark: Spoiler The first country to (crash)-land a human on Mars is North Korea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerbiloid Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 (edited) Since their fancy nukes we can expect a NK-Orion quite soon. They don't know the word "too risky". Also it's all about mechanics, not about big rocket voodoo. Also, they have the whole ocean to launch. Nothing but Japan is on the way. Also as they don't have a Shuttle SRB or UR-700/Energy booster, we could have a chance to watch the oceanic nuclear launch, with a half-kilometer deep crater in water. Edited September 20, 2022 by kerbiloid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerbiloid Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 House of the Dragon https://cs14.pikabu.ru/video/2022/10/20/166626796126827301_576x1024.av1.mp4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerbiloid Posted October 29, 2022 Share Posted October 29, 2022 (Eternally upcoming The Walking Dead) Rick Grimes daughter: Quote As of "What Comes After", Judith has been portrayed by 8 different sets of twin actors and 2 child actresses. This means she has 18 actors, the most of any character. The last set of twins, Chloe & Sophia Garcia-Frizzi, are the first ones to make it an entire season. Such important character... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuke Posted October 30, 2022 Share Posted October 30, 2022 (edited) yea the walking dead has been on way too long. i think it has ruined zombies for me. its like the fifth season of babylon5, but for 5 seasons, at least. Edited October 30, 2022 by Nuke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minmus Taster Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 Posted about this film in the right thread for In terms of visuals it looks really pretty, not quite sure about the plot though, can't be much more flat than the first one in that respect since you really can't get that generic, but with all the lousy CGI currently circulating this should be a welcome change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerbiloid Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 (edited) Spoiler That's what starts happening under your fiber lamp, if you don't clean your bookshelf. Edited November 3, 2022 by kerbiloid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuke Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 so long as its not pocahontas dances with smurffs in the story department. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrandedonEarth Posted November 4, 2022 Author Share Posted November 4, 2022 (edited) There's an old joke, "How do you keep a monkey in suspense?" A twitterverse of monkeys is now in suspense. Could it be...? Edit: Oh wait. It appears to be a store. Never mind... Although I suppose I could still be wrong... Edited November 5, 2022 by StrandedonEarth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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