[WIP][1.9.x-1.12.x] Scatterer-atmospheric scattering (0.0838 - 14/08/2022) Scattering improvements, in-game atmo generation and multi-sun support

[zakkpaz]

I’m using the version of scatterer bundled with the volumetric clouds version of EVE and I’ve been having issues with Z-fighting with ship flags and other decals.

 

I had a similar issue with Scatterer conflicting with Waterfall in the past and i can’t remember the fix or if I have it applied, can anyone help?

 

EDIT: it's an issue with temporal antialiasing, I must have turned it back on by mistake

Edited June 13, 2024 by zakkpaz

[Nightside]

It’s been a while since I was tweaking settings in this. I used to be able to change ocean wave size. Is that still possible?

[dok_377]

Hey, @blackrack, the version 0.0876 breaks the kerbal camera in the game. It just renders the main camera instead of rendering the pov of the actual kerbal camera. KSP 1.12.4, no other mods.

Here's a gif of the glitch:
https://imgur.com/xl1ibfe

[airtrafficcontroller]

Finally, we got sunlight from that center hole on parachutes. Thank you very much man!

https://imgur.com/a/RKvKiRK

[shifty803]

I have been debugging for hours and so far I am just too inexperienced to figure out the issue.

There is another thread where people are experimenting with volumetrics and new configs for JNSQ. I went ahead and added deferred rendering on there. Everything works great except for sunlight somehow passing through kerbin as shown in the screenshots. 

If anybody more knowledgeable could give me a hint as to what the issue might be I would appreciate it.

I see that Blackrack has the note for Kopernicus, "Mostly compatible, some planet packs have issues with the terrain shader of the homeworld," but I am unsure if that is related to the issue.

Edited June 30, 2024 by shifty803
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[blackrack]

22 hours ago, shifty803 said:

I have been debugging for hours and so far I am just too inexperienced to figure out the issue.

There is another thread where people are experimenting with volumetrics and new configs for JNSQ. I went ahead and added deferred rendering on there. Everything works great except for sunlight somehow passing through kerbin as shown in the screenshots. 

If anybody more knowledgeable could give me a hint as to what the issue might be I would appreciate it.

I see that Blackrack has the note for Kopernicus, "Mostly compatible, some planet packs have issues with the terrain shader of the homeworld," but I am unsure if that is related to the issue.

Just found out its due to scatterer eclipses, I'm testing a fix now and will update scatterer when it's done. You can disable eclipses at the moment but will need to restart the game to actually fix it.

[gaplant]

Question about scatterer (and deferred rendering and volumetric clouds) VS CKAN:

Everything's working great in-game, but CKAN is mad about Scatterer conflicting with another Scatterer:

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Inconsistencies were found:
* Scatterer 3:v0.0876 conflicts with Scatterer
Error during installation!

No big deal, but it throws errors when I try to add other things in CKAN and I just wonder if I did something weird.

In-game everything is great, except for the intermittent dark areas on planets seen from high alt, which i think i saw was a known issue.

[rheaunderstars]

Hey I have a question! So, Scatterer and EVE are made to be compatible obviously, but there's one visual quirk that bugs me when I use both the EVE clouds and Scatterer. When scatterer is enabled, it completely changes the lighting for the cloud layer. Here's a couple images to show what I mean. I really prefer the lighting of the first one, and it feels more realistic as well. But when a scatterer atmosphere is present, suddenly the lighting becomes flat and the shadow becomes sharp. This is especially jarring and apparent in real-scale solar systems for some reason. Is there a way to control that kind of lighting? I think having softer shadows would be really nice.

Edited July 5, 2024 by rheaunderstars

[Errol]

@blackrackbug report:

Installing the new deffered rendering mod I'm getting this weird visual bug where everything looks washed out and overexposed, there is also a ton of glare/haze around the sun. I suspect it's caused by deffered rendering because removing deffered rendering fixes the issue, although it does look very similar to a bug I had when I first tried the new true volumetrics. Back then I was able to fix it by turning off all Anti-aliasing except for TUFX. Now though, no combination of settings for stock AA and TUFX seem to affect what is going on at all.

Here is my log: https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/eltbohvtkepekmsqarc7c/Player.log?rlkey=jnzulnesyltsystwqe2jfjagr&dl=0

I am using RaymarchedVolumetricsEarlyAccess01_07_24, the fixed dll for volumetrics v4 from the deffered compatibility page and blackrack's TUFX profile. Here is what it looks like:



EDIT: I believe I've tracked down the conflict to the Night Shift mod which changes how lighting in editors works. Might be worth adding to the compatibility chart on git.
 

EDIT2: I found out that the scatterer sunflare mod on ckan conflicts with the new deffered rendering in editor as well.

Edited July 9, 2024 by Errol

[shifty803]

On 7/6/2024 at 10:31 AM, Errol said:

@blackrackbug report:

Installing the new deffered rendering mod I'm getting this weird visual bug where everything looks washed out and overexposed, there is also a ton of glare/haze around the sun. I suspect it's caused by deffered rendering because removing deffered rendering fixes the issue, although it does look very similar to a bug I had when I first tried the new true volumetrics. Back then I was able to fix it by turning off all Anti-aliasing except for TUFX. Now though, no combination of settings for stock AA and TUFX seem to affect what is going on at all.

Here is my log: https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/eltbohvtkepekmsqarc7c/Player.log?rlkey=jnzulnesyltsystwqe2jfjagr&dl=0

I am using RaymarchedVolumetricsEarlyAccess01_07_24, the fixed dll for volumetrics v4 from the deffered compatibility page and blackrack's TUFX profile. Here is what it looks like:



EDIT: I believe I've tracked down the conflict to the Night Shift mod which changes how lighting in editors works. Might be worth adding to the compatibility chart on git.
 

EDIT2: I found out that the scatterer sunflare mod on ckan conflicts with the new deffered rendering in editor as

 

Edited July 11, 2024 by shifty803
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[Errol]

35 minutes ago, shifty803 said:

 

You quoted me and didn't say anything at all. Did you have a point to make?

[shifty803]

On 7/11/2024 at 8:23 AM, Errol said:

You quoted me and didn't say anything at all. Did you have a point to make?

Yeah, I meant to say that Blackrack was going to release an update that fixes some planet texture issues. Maybe not related.

Unfortunately, when I install the 0.0877 update it breaks my volumetric clouds, which is weird. I am not sure what I am doing wrong. For now I have reverted to 0.0876.

Edit: Seems like you need the "other" scatterer version from his google drive, as opposed to the github one. It's been a while, I forgot...

Edited July 14, 2024 by shifty803

[Fizzlebop Smith]

Anyone using the deferred rending mod.. experiencing weird shadow effects / blackouts.

Read the compatibility guide pushed out with the clouds. The only texture replacer supported is a forked version of Textures Unlimited.

Shaddy and Unforke TU cause the render to produce on the front only. Do not know what it means.. and most of you know this already.. just seeing some questions similiar to a problem that was resolved with this.

https://github.com/LGhassen/TexturesUnlimited/releases

[Rakete]

Hello,

 

I have a question. I had issues with waterfall plumes when using scatterer with TAA.  They were flixckering wildly - as seen here:

 And reported here

https://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/topic/103963-wip19x-112x-scatterer-atmospheric-scattering-00838-14082022-scattering-improvements-in-game-atmo-generation-and-multi-sun-support/?do=findComment&comment=4139088 

 

Since TAA and SMAA got updated, I want to know, if these are fixed with the newest version as well.

Currently I am not near my computer to test it myself. 

[Errol]

Another possible compatibility bug with deferred lighting?

I've just noticed doing night launches that Engine Lighting does not illuminate the clouds at all. I can't remember if it was like this before the deferred lighting mod came out, but either way, it would be a massive improvement to how dramatic night launches are.

[Nightside]

Did No Man’s Sky just get Scatterer?

 

[Rulingmoss55]

Hi, guess im wondering if this is intentional or not, but sometimes the game gets really dim (usually on kerbin) and the terrain almost perfectly blends with the water due to the lighting, using the latest version of scatterer that comes with volumetric clouds.  Changing ambient light does work but whenever the terrain lights back up again its blinding so it is not a good solution.

I know the ground should dim a bit with cloud cover but this happens even when above the clouds and I was wondering how to disable/reduce this, thanks.

Both pics roughly taken at noon: https://imgur.com/a/3v5lk1r

Edited July 26, 2024 by Rulingmoss55

[AleksandrLXXXIV]

On 12.01.2024 at 02:28, AleksandrLXXXIV said:

Всем привет. Такая проблема. Я специально оставил только "разброс", чтобы его было видно.

 

 

Если отключить эту функцию, ошибка исчезнет, но исчезнут и ее последствия.

 

 

Пожалуйста, помогите мне.

проблема не решена

[Gargamel]

21 hours ago, AleksandrLXXXIV said:

проблема не решена

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the problem is not solved

Please include an English translation for all posts outside of the "International" subforum.   Thank you. 

Пожалуйста, включите перевод на английский язык для всех сообщений вне подфорума "International". Спасибо.

[victorkerman]

Hey, I've got a problem with the mod.

When I'm orbiting at a certain altitude of Kerbin, the atmosphere and the ocean look completely white even on the night side of Kerbin.
This white coat isn't visible when I'm at the KSC, on the ground or at a high enough orbit.

As you can see here, the planet is pale like a snowball.

But when I'm far enough, or when I'm on the Tracking Station, the KSC or in the atmosphere, the planet looks fine.
How do I solve it?

[Iapetus7342]

Hey everyone.

Small issue, when downloading Scatterer from CKAN with AVP on this happens to all the bodies. Scatterer breaks completely and the stock bodies lose their atmospheric shaders when viewed from a medium-high distance.

Here's my modlist. Please help!

[bili22.37]

Hello all, and thank you for one of the great mods that keep this game top tier! I have a question about your settings/opinion conserning water landings with this mod... Now water landing in stock KSP are what they are, but here i almost cant land to hard (200m/s+ all ok). So what settings do you use here to make it lil more realistic? I guess biggest difference is water drag but disabeling that makes waters i think almost stock? Dont wanna go back to hitchiker falling apart at 4 m/s in water Tnx for your input..

[Krazy1]

Hi @blackrack Found an issue with eclipses disabling all lights, including ship lights. Running v0.0878 with KSP 1.12.5, JNSQ and 3rd party configs (and other mods). I have seen it do this while in flight and landed. Here's one example landed on Vall. Also note part of the sunflare is visible through Jool. Let me know if you need logs.

Can anybody else confirm they see this too?

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Update... Another observation: during an eclipse the kerbal helmet lights appear to turn on but cast no light on the ship... but the visor shows the lighted ship reflection. Weird.

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helmet lights off... shows sun-lit ship reflection:

helmet lights on... shows helmet-lit ship reflection:

Update 2: after leaving Vall I noticed at 200 km altitude (maybe less) that lights were working again although the ship and all of Vall was still eclipsed by Jool.

Spoiler

Edited December 3, 2024 by Krazy1
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[MarcRan17]

Hey all, Looking for advice on tweaking the appearance of atmospheres. I'm using OPM and a mod called Better Kerbol which dynamically brightens and dims sunlight based on how far from the sun you are. This realistically simulates how the sunlight out at the outer planets would be much dimmer than at Kerbin orbit for example. Only thing is, Scatterer doesn't really take this into account it seems, which doesn't surprise me, Better Kerbol being a much lesser known mod. It just means that the atmospheres of say the outer gas giants from OPM are brighter around the edges than they should be. I'm thinking to make custom edits to the cfg files I'm using for OPM and Scatterer to just make the atmospheres darker but not sure how to go about doing that. A screenshot of what I'm trying to adjust can be seen below, in which the edges of Sarnus' atmosphere are noticeably too bright compared to the rest of the planet. Anyway I'm wondering if there's a simple way to edit these atmosphere configs to make them dimmer to match the rest of the planet or if that's a wildly complex thing to adjust. I've tried tweaking the values a little already but so far not with satisfactory results.  Thanks for any advice!