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[1.12.5] Bluedog Design Bureau - Stockalike Saturn, Apollo, and more! (v1.14.0 "металл" 30/Sep/2024)


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  On 12/15/2021 at 7:57 PM, Zorg said:

New skylab parts havent really had a proper balance pass yet tbh. Just some rough adjustments I did. I'll take a look when I'm back home (next month) unless JSO does a pass before then.

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  On 12/15/2021 at 8:12 PM, Jcking said:

The regular wet workshop is a bit to heavy at the moment for Saturn Ib (20 tons dry, 41 tons wet), compared to the dry lab (19.8 tons), and the VFB wet workshop (7 tons dry, 28 tons wet)

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Thanks. It is a beautiful model and I am looking forward to flying it.

BTW, I solved the issue with attaching the AAP LM/Telescope Mount to the SLA. I cheated by downloading a nifty little mod called Nodehelper. Using it I simply added a node to the center bottom of the telescope stack and voila! It worked. Because of the length of the stack I had to push it down quite a ways to get the LM ascent stage portion to fit inside the SLA panels. This left most of the telescope portion sticking out of the bottom of the SLA and below the IU, interfering with the top of the S-IVB. I added a short adaptor tube section (Tweakscaled)  between the SLA and the IU. The added length was perfect. The Saturn IB lifted it to a 115 km orbit with just a smidge of fuel to spare. 

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Brainstorming some ideas for Kepler. I modelled the telescope electronics because I wanted to, but realized it would be a shame to have them as an integrated part with the telescope.  I then thought of making it a separate part that needs to be added to the telescope body for the experiment to work. But that might not be too "lego-able". Would anyone be interested in alternate (completely non-historical) telescope electronics part that could be swapped with the historical (exoplanet detecting experiment) telescope electronics inside Kepler to make it have a separate experiment? For example, an alternate telescope instrument part that would give it an Orbital Scope experiment to for an Earth observing telescope, or one that would make Kepler an infrared telescope? 

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  On 12/16/2021 at 6:00 PM, Invaderchaos said:

For example, an alternate telescope instrument part that would give it an Orbital Scope experiment to for an Earth observing telescope, or one that would make Kepler an infrared telescope? 

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I think having a seperate telescope part with interchangable detectors would be the best way. If you could make the detectors a cargo part then engineers could swap out parts, Hubble-style.

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  On 12/16/2021 at 6:03 PM, TaintedLion said:

I think having a seperate telescope part with interchangable detectors would be the best way. If you could make the detectors a cargo part then engineers could swap out parts, Hubble-style.

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Ok well while that might be cool,  doing it properly would be a little difficult. The way Kepler was assembled was that the telescope itself was sliced into two or three "pieces" which are mated on top of one another (which my current part isn't designed to do nor do I think it would probably be a good idea to do them that way), with the CCD/Spider instrument mounting being sandwiched between two such sections:
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The problem here is that Kepler is wider at its base, and narrower at the top. That means it would be impossible to remove a telescope instrument and replace it with another after launch as you would not be able to fit the electronics through the top of the telescope as it would be far too narrow. But still, it would be nice to do swappable instruments regardless. I would say though that a Kepler servicing mission would be quite fun, maybe someone could replace the reaction wheels. Although the mission would be quite difficult as Kepler is in a Earth-trailling (solar) orbit, unlike Hubble, which orbits Earth. And regarding other potential instruments that can be swapped, an Earth-observing orbital scope is definitely at the top of my list. OAO already covers ultraviolet, and infrared will could potentiallly be covered in the future as I may or may not do Spitzer.

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  On 12/16/2021 at 6:16 PM, Invaderchaos said:

Ok well while that might be cool,  doing it properly would be a little difficult. 

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But in your prior post you said:
Would anyone be interested in alternate (completely non-historical) telescope electronics part that could be swapped with the historical (exoplanet detecting experiment) telescope electronics inside Kepler to make it have a separate experiment? 

Given that you're saying it can be completely non-historical...how about a scope body, with two "optics slots" in the side, for repair work, and a base that has several slots around it, with a 'theoretical' 'image splitter' (like a beam splitter, but duplicates the entire incoming FOV) in the center. You could have a visible wavelength imager, an IR wavelength imager, UV, X-ray, or perhaps diffraction gratings etc...and maybe for the IR devices to work, you need to add a cooling module which takes up one or more of the slots, similar to the way Universal storage allows you to plug in  differing modules?

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Delta IV Launch Stand coming in v2.3 of Modular Launch Pads. Right now functional for the BDB Delta IV, just have to add the B9PS switcher for the single-triple core options, and make the animations for the umbilicals and the deploy limit sliders (for making the stand work with 2.5m cores).

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I'm also going to kitbash the fixed service tower and swing arms from the Large General tower and arm, giving the arms adjustable mounts and retraction limits to handle different angle setups.

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The Delta IV Launch Stand is all done and now on the master branch of the Modular Launch Pads GitHub.

By default it is all set up for the BDB Delta IV, and just snaps onto the added attach node (on the lower core tank) that appears below the RS-68, no adjustment is necessary.  I did use the DIV-Heavy craft file included with BDB, so if you build the Heavy a little differently, some adjustment may be needed. Note, the side boosters in the craft file are slightly out of alignment, they should be exactly even with the core.

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  On 12/20/2021 at 2:00 AM, GuessingEveryDay said:

Not the same parts, but:

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The launch pad beams do not rotate with the pad that is rotated (if I have to guess, it is because they use similar technology to the stock stability enhancers). This is why for instance on the Saturn/Shuttle pad, there are B9 Part Switches for rotating the "legs" of the platform. For Delta IV I would ignore it as they should not be visible unlike the Saturn/Shuttle pad.

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  On 12/20/2021 at 2:17 AM, Jcking said:

For Delta IV I would ignore it as they should not be visible unlike the Saturn/Shuttle pad.

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Not entirely sure how to interpret your "should" but, they do indeed show after rotation. That's why I asked. You can clip the stand into the ground enough to hide them, but then the engine bells clip, too.

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Don't know how you are setting it up, but the engines shouldn't be clipping if you attached the pad to the lower attach node on the center core's engine, even when the pad is sunken in such that the beams are no longer visible. Oh, I see them, yeah you are right they are still visible when you turn it no matter how much you sink it.

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  On 12/20/2021 at 3:12 AM, OrbitalManeuvers said:

I'm thinking Alpha's clever rotation switch you mentioned would do the trick if it's possible on this one too.

edit: [sincere apologies for commandeering the BDB thread]

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I have a better way for stands that don't need the clamp parts visible--the meshes for them can be turned off with no effect.  The Titan III stand was the first to use this, so you could have a wheels-only look.

I can make a quick update to the GitHub.

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Okay guys, so for someone like me who is uneducated on the history of the various Saturn proposals, I've got to use online sources like astronautix.com for info. I could have sworn I remember seeing something like this as an official proposal, yet now I can't find anything about it:

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 Basically just a standard S-IC first stage (minus the center engine) and a standard S-IVB second stage.

Was this a real proposal? If not, why?

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  On 12/21/2021 at 5:52 PM, lemon cup said:

Okay guys, so for someone like me who is uneducated on the history of the various Saturn proposals, I've got to use online sources like astronautix.com for info. I could have sworn I remember seeing something like this as an official proposal, yet now I can't find anything about it:

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 Basically just a standard S-IC first stage (minus the center engine) and a standard S-IVB second stage.

Was this a real proposal? If not, why?

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this would be Saturn INT-20, I'm not sure about the exact amount of F1 engines for the original proposal but you can use 2-5 (lower the S-1C fuel amount if you use less engines)

more information can be found in this document by pappystein:

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