HebaruSan Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 Rule 2.2.g bans "Use of vulgarity, profanity and any technique that skirts the language filter." Accordingly, most words I knew growing up as "swear words" cannot be posted on these forums. A usually strange sounding synonym is inserted instead. There's an exception though, the three-letter one starting with "A". I've been noticing it more and more lately. I realize this is a subjective thing and we'll all have our own point of view, but to me it makes the forums look like a place where vulgarity and profanity are welcome. I suggest this word be replaced with "donkey" when found in a post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robotengineer Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HebaruSan Posted February 19, 2017 Author Share Posted February 19, 2017 Just now, Robotengineer said: Why? If it's OK with you, I'd like to let the moderators see this and make the call rather than debating it. I'm fine with it if they don't agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerbiloid Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 43 minutes ago, HebaruSan said: the three-letter one starting with "A" It can be replaced with a synonim: "donkey". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dman979 Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 I agree that we have no need for profanity on these forums; after all, KSP is played by many children. But I think you might want to think about the edge cases here, too. When I was young, ass was one of my favorite words because I knew it was dirty, but I could say it and mean something different. Donkeys were a frequent topic of discussion in 3rd grade. Similarly, there were some favorite bird species, too. But when you get the forum software to replace all the versions of these words, you get instances when it goes too far. The software isn't able to find the context you say something in, and will even censor words that have profanity as a segment IIRC. When I am talking about the glass windows on the Lunar Module, I don't want to end up saying "The LM had gdonkey windows to see the landing site." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cydonian Monk Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 Personally I find the replacement of words to be a borderline copyright violation. Remove them entirely? Fine. Change them to ****? Ok. Change them to other words? Wrong on many levels. That said, I'm rather surprised the "A" word is allowed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diomedea Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 10 hours ago, HebaruSan said: There's an exception though, the three-letter one starting with "A". Unfortunately the basic filter we have in IPS doesn't recognize word separators, but will filter any occurrence of the "A++" sequence. There are a number of perfectly legit words that would be changed in something different, "mass" e.g. could automatically become "mdonkey" with the proposed change. Therefore why that word isn't catched by the filter, better if we catch it by eye (with the help of forum users, of course). Hopefully we will find and install a better filter in future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HebaruSan Posted February 19, 2017 Author Share Posted February 19, 2017 1 hour ago, diomedea said: Unfortunately the basic filter we have in IPS doesn't recognize word separators, but will filter any occurrence of the "A++" sequence. There are a number of perfectly legit words that would be changed in something different, "mass" e.g. could automatically become "mdonkey" with the proposed change. Therefore why that word isn't catched by the filter, better if we catch it by eye (with the help of forum users, of course). Hopefully we will find and install a better filter in future. Thanks for the response, it helps to know the background. That's a pretty tough limitation for the moderation team to deal with, but this does sound like a confirmation that this content is on the other side of the line drawn by 2.2.g in your judgment. (I don't think I'll start using the report button for this, regardless.) Would this filter work? It has a "whole words only" option, but I don't know what version is used here or precisely how the upgrades work: https://invisionpower.com/news/new-word-and-link-filters-r987/ @Tex_NL, hi! Your sig may be one of the primary reasons this has been so visible lately. Is it using some other meaning of the word, out of which I could pull my nose? We're fortunate to have the option of non-automated discretion in this case, so it can't hurt to ask. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diomedea Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 @HebaruSan: thanks for linking that article, is pretty interesting. Believe we'll have to see how it works when that new filter is released. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaceception Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 (edited) 7 hours ago, diomedea said: "mass" e.g. could automatically become "mdonkey" with the proposed change. M'donkey I'm sorry, I just saw the word and immediately thought of that. Edited February 19, 2017 by Spaceception Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NSEP Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 I dont use the nonverbose version of the biological waste disposal that much. Neither does anyone i know use it. So i dont know if its appropriate or not. But 1 less swear word is fine. Nobody really uses it that often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lajoswinkler Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 I find it ridiculous and pathetic that anyone is actually rooting for such censorship. Grow up, people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZedNova Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 2 minutes ago, lajoswinkler said: I find it ridiculous and pathetic that anyone is actually rooting for such censorship. Grow up, people. Ass isn't even a vulgar word. I don't see a reason to censor it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tex_NL Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 (edited) 7 minutes ago, lajoswinkler said: Why was my post deleted? Are we not allowed to express opinions? Mine was deleted too. Apparently you're only allowed to participate in this discussion if you agree with it. But I agree with you. Most people won't even notice a word until it gets perverted to something silly. Besides that a censor won't trigger on word from another language. Or a benign word in English that's insulting in another language. If I REALLY wanted to I could make a dockworker blush without even triggering the censor once. Edited February 21, 2017 by Tex_NL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sal_vager Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 1 hour ago, ZedNova said: Ass isn't even a vulgar word. I don't see a reason to censor it. Nor did I, that's why it's not on the filter, the word itself is not inherently bad, but if people use it to insult others there's a perfectly good report post button. The filter is a very useful website feature, and this site isn't the only one to have a filter, so it'll continue to be used for the worst words that aren't really required for discussion of rockets and little green aliens. So the filter will remain in place, but 'ass' and it's ilk aren't going to be on it any time soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aethon Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 Jebus. Does anyone have anything to discuss about KSP, or Rocket related crap?? There is so much bad stuff in the world. Go troll someone who deserves it if you have to. Grow the %#*@ up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sal_vager Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 Luckily 'crap' has been used plenty of times by KSP's developers Who else saw the last SpaceX landing? They are getting pretty good at it @Aethon, it's times like this when I have to remind people of the... And while I'm at it, the... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt Doomball Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 The A word is not bad it is used in the Bible many time because that was the name for a donkey back then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tex_NL Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 2 minutes ago, Sgt Doomball said: it is used in the Bible If that's your criteria then let's take out the censor list and remove about 90% of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt Doomball Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 It was a referance. And dont do that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaarst Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 14 minutes ago, Sgt Doomball said: The A word is not bad it is used in the Bible many time because that was the name for a donkey back then. And it's still the name for a donkey for pretty much every English speaking country except the US. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt Doomball Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 Yes it is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkOwl57 Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 Personally, I see no reason why we need to censor it. If you live in 'murica, you're allowed free speech. It's sorta in that limbo between bad and acceptable. (Words like stupid being in acceptable, words like F being in the bad). I mean, I'm not a mod; I'm just one of the masses, so my opinion doesn't really matter when it comes to these kinda decisions. Just kinda putting my thoughts out there. 1 hour ago, sal_vager said: Luckily 'crap' has been used plenty of times by KSP's developers Who else saw the last SpaceX landing? They are getting pretty good at it Ohh I want to see that! Could you kindly direct me to a thread where- ooh you're a staff member... Probably heard that IRL and not in a thread... *derp* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 On 2/19/2017 at 4:05 AM, Dman979 said: I agree that we have no need for profanity on these forums; after all, KSP is played by many children. But I think you might want to think about the edge cases here, too. oh for crying out loud™ I refuse to believe that anyone old enough to understand KSP and be able to use the KSP Forums doesn't know swear words. Seriously, be honest with yourself. You're gonna tell me that you learned swear words when you were 15? 8 year olds these days already know 70% of the profanity vocabulary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dman979 Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 4 minutes ago, Aperture Science said: I refuse to believe that anyone old enough to understand KSP and be able to use the KSP Forums doesn't know swear words. Seriously, be honest with yourself. You're gonna tell me that you learned swear words when you were 15? 8 year olds these days already know 70% of the profanity vocabulary. I think that there are young kids playing here. I know eight-year-olds who play, so it doesn't seem unreasonable to me that some of them might be here. Also, I learned curse words in 4-5 grade, but I never really used them until I was 14 or so. But this is tangential from the OP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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