LittleBitMore Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 Shower thought I had today: Since KSP1 uses 1.x.x, and since KSP2 is the sequel to KSP1 (and ergo is one of the only real things that would warrant updating the first number), would this mean they would replace the version name scheme with 2.x.x to further remind this is the second iteration of KSP? I don't generally know how this stuff goes, but I thought it'd be clever if 2.x.x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prestja Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 I believe the most sensible option is to release KSP2 as version 1.0.0. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KerbMav Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 10 hours ago, prestja said: I believe the most sensible option is to release KSP2 as version 1.0.0. I’d be completely ok with 1.2.5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MechBFP Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 If they are being honest it will release as 0.9. I kid, I kid! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DunaManiac Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 Probably since KSP2 is a new game, it will most likely be 1.x.x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Okhin Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 Not a new game, but a major iteration of an existing project. So it would makes sense to follow the 2.x.x versionning (which exist for that). If it were a new game, it probably wouldn't be named KSP :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stibbons Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 8 minutes ago, Okhin said: f it were a new game, it probably wouldn't be named KSP It isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prestja Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 11 minutes ago, Okhin said: If it were a new game It is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmymcgoochie Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 KSP2 is a separate game made by a separate developer so it will probably go out as version 1.0.0 while KSP(1) continues on as a completely independent piece of software with its own version. Out of interest, does anyone know any game sequels that went from version 1.x.x to 2.0.0 when a sequel was released? I work in software development and that sounds really weird to me. 15 minutes ago, Okhin said: Not a new game, but a major iteration of an existing project. So it would makes sense to follow the 2.x.x versionning (which exist for that). If it were a new game, it probably wouldn't be named KSP :p Ah, so all those FIFA/GTA/Halo/etc. sequels are just the same game then? You have to buy the new game, it isn’t an update to an existing one. Try telling EA that you bought FIFA 1998 so that means you can get FIFA 20 for free because it’s just an update to the same game, and see how far you get... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleBitMore Posted July 17, 2020 Author Share Posted July 17, 2020 (edited) Ok ok i didn't mean to spark an argument. I just wanted to share a random thought and stuff. The debate seems to be getting kinda heated (or, comparatively heated as far as KSP forum debates go). I'd really like it if we could just all collectively chill. I guess we'll just see what happens when it releases. Edited July 17, 2020 by LittleBitMore added tons of unnecessary sentences Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Okhin Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 2 hours ago, jimmymcgoochie said: You have to buy the new game, it isn’t an update to an existing one. Try telling EA that you bought FIFA 1998 so that means you can get FIFA 20 for free because it’s just an update to the same game, and see how far you get... Most closed source software are new version of the previous one, and still, you have to pay to get them. try telling Apple that you should not pay for this new OS X version, just because it is an update. Or to Adobe. Or to Microsoft. or anything in the software you pay for world. Numbering and versioning are not related to the business model. But then, Crusader Kings 2 is on version 3.3.3 currently, so nothing makes sense anymore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bej Kerman Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 4 hours ago, Okhin said: Not a new game, but a major iteration of an existing project. So it would makes sense to follow the 2.x.x versionning (which exist for that) But it is a new game and not just an iteration of KSP 1. It doesn't make sense for KSP 2 to be called version 2.0 despite actually being on version 1.0. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
linuxgurugamer Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 12 minutes ago, Bej Kerman said: But it is a new game and not just an iteration of KSP 1. It doesn't make sense for KSP 2 to be called version 2.0 despite actually being on version 1.0. Makes sense to me. KSP is 1, KSP 2 is 2, etc. And really, does it really matter? Why even ask the question? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overfloater Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 Quote Not a new game, but a major iteration of an existing project. For a project that's being made from the ground up, completely independent of KSP-1, "new game" is a fitting label. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Stinky_Broccoli Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 3 hours ago, LittleBitMore said: Ok ok i didn't mean to spark an argument. I just wanted to share a random thought and stuff. The debate seems to be getting kinda heated (or, comparatively heated as far as KSP forum debates go). I'd really like it if we could just all collectively chill. I guess we'll just see what happens when it releases. this is nothing. I have seen worse. way worse. I will never talk of those times again *shivers* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davi SDF Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 1 hour ago, epicfailure2020 said: this is nothing. I have seen worse. way worse. I will never talk of those times again *shivers* Was it... metallic hydrogen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Stinky_Broccoli Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 (edited) no... it was deleted from the forums. it was actually on one of my pages. the head moderator shot it down. it was a conversation not technically legal by forum policies. I had no part in it it just happened. Edited July 17, 2020 by epicfailure2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davi SDF Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 this sounds horrible... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Stinky_Broccoli Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 i wish i still had it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acid_Burn9 Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 (edited) 10 hours ago, Okhin said: Most closed source software are new version of the previous one, and still, you have to pay to get them. try telling Apple that you should not pay for this new OS X version, just because it is an update. Or to Adobe. Or to Microsoft. or anything in the software you pay for world. Numbering and versioning are not related to the business model. But then, Crusader Kings 2 is on version 3.3.3 currently, so nothing makes sense anymore that's not how software versioning works. the "2" in the KSP 2 has nothing to do with version of the product, but with franchise and branding. it is just part of the title. ksp 2 is a new product and separate piece of software. it has its own separate versioning most likely being 1.0.0 at release. if you have a hard time understanding how this works, i recommend reading about software versioning on Wikipedia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_versioning Edited July 18, 2020 by Acid_Burn9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
razark Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 I think that the release version of KSP2 should be "A.A.A", and get rid of the pesky numbers that people seem to get so confused by. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnemoe Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 On 7/17/2020 at 5:04 PM, jimmymcgoochie said: KSP2 is a separate game made by a separate developer so it will probably go out as version 1.0.0 while KSP(1) continues on as a completely independent piece of software with its own version. Out of interest, does anyone know any game sequels that went from version 1.x.x to 2.0.0 when a sequel was released? I work in software development and that sounds really weird to me. Ah, so all those FIFA/GTA/Halo/etc. sequels are just the same game then? You have to buy the new game, it isn’t an update to an existing one. Try telling EA that you bought FIFA 1998 so that means you can get FIFA 20 for free because it’s just an update to the same game, and see how far you get... I say most software update the version numbers to the new version. This independent if the software is not free to upgrade or not. However the new version of software tend to be backward compatible and is an update to the old version. This is rarely the case of games, most are at least partial story based and you reach the end of the story and you need to wait for the next game like an movie or tv show. Expansions and dlc blurs this a bit but Battlefield 1 is about WW1, BF 2 about WW2, its two different games, yes in some special cases you can continue with character from previous games and many game reuse the settings hopefully with new mechanics, not only the sports games but also games like civilization, ksp 2 will also fit here. Just checked version number of elder scroll online an 6 year old MMO, its version 1.0.0.1 Yes they have their own game patching system in the launcher Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlamoVampire Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 It is both not a new game and a new game. Not a new game: 1. Major iteration of an existing property. 2. Not a fundamentally new idea. New Game: 1. New design house making it. 2. Sequel to an existing intellectual property. I think its fair to say its both a new game and not a new game for the reasons above listed. 233407192020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incarnation of Chaos Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 9 minutes ago, AlamoVampire said: It is both not a new game and a new game. Not a new game: 1. Major iteration of an existing property. 2. Not a fundamentally new idea. New Game: 1. New design house making it. 2. Sequel to an existing intellectual property. I think its fair to say its both a new game and not a new game for the reasons above listed. 233407192020 Spoiler I'd argue that it's a new game because #1- It has significant portions of new/rewritten code that even in the beginning managed to break from KSP enough that one of the first things we heard was that existing KSP craft and saves won't be compatible. #2- It's using significant amounts of new assets, textures, and features that weren't present on KSP. #3- Many of these couldn't be added to KSP, or wouldn't perform well if added to KSP. Or would require rather complex and error-prone workarounds to utilize in the first place. And I'd also argue that points 1 and 2 aren't really that strong; Shooters aren't a fundamentally new idea. But I'd be rather silly if i tried to argue that Mass Effect, Halo and COD were all the same game by virtue of their shooting mechanics. And those examples are intentional, because feeding into point 2. Playing ME1 vs ME2 or Halo Reach vs Halo 3 can feel like playing a different game at times even though they're just major iterations of existing IP. Even when you're controlling the same character, using the same weapons, in the same world! Games are unique, because they're experienced actively instead of passively like a film or movie (Well...supposed to be; most big studios seem to forget that as of late). So it's actually rather easy to create very distinct experiences by just shifting a few sliders around once you have a solid foundation established. PS. I do actually see where you're coming from, but i just wanted to chime in. Friendly banter and all, because i don't think there's really a "Wrong" answer here. Oh and as for the topic at hand ; I'm almost certain that KSP2 will use 1.X notation going from release. KSP is already on version 1.10, and the gap between KSP and KSP2 is only going to get wider as time goes on. So i don't think there's going to be as much confusion as people seem to be worried about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlamoVampire Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 @Incarnation of Chaos 1.xxxx is most likely, but if jeb has any say it may be curious 004907212020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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