Lisias

Before Bungie had won this lawsuit, it was a grey area. The idea is that the binary code is a representation of the Source Code, and so have the same protections. But it was not a Copyright Infringement and, so, beyound the scope of it as well out of reach of the Berne Convention. With this lawsuit, the binary code in memory is now considered a Copyrighted copy of the original work and, so, tampering with it is now a Copyright Infringement and so anyone doing it is liable from now on. Worst, now the Berne Convention automatically kicks in and so any protection and right your local legislation would be granting you is now overruled when you are dealing with USA software. How bad this can be depends on your local legislation. On USA Copyright Infringements are a Civil Infringement, but on some other countries it's a penal one. On some more draconian legislations, even a felony. But on all cases, it's definitely a Copyright Infringement and you are liable to the consequences under USA's legislation due Berne. ----- TL;DRs ----- @Yaroslav, there're two additional things I need to explain to you, if by any reason you don't know it yet: USA has a Common Law legal system, while most Europeans have a Roman Law (and you probably too). On Common Law, the Laws that say what you can't do can be created by Courts of Law when deciding if something should be banned or not - exactly what happened now. This have the nasty effect of banning something that were used to be perfectly acceptable (or at very least on a gray area) out of the blue, exactly what happened here. And with Berne Convention kicking in, the rest of the World ends up getting their cheeks bitten by USA's Court decisions related to Copyrights. Exactly like now. I'm not a Lawyer, I'm strictly forbidden from giving legal advises. I just can't say if any add'on published here is a Copyright Infringement or not, I can only suggest what would be needed to something to be a Copyright Infringement, and tell anyone that thinks I may be right to seek Legal Counseling about the matter and see if it affects you. It's what I did. So I will not say anything about any Add'On that may be affected by this problem here. But I can say that nothing I do or ever did (as KSP-Recall) had any kind of Legal Problems, because I only used legally acceptable techniques, as clean room reverse engineering (also known as shoving logs into my code's cheeks until it confess what I need! ) and uncountable hours of black box testings. I'm advocating for the release of the Source Code because this would render any decompilation or currently banned reverse engineering technique pointless, essentially making (almost) everything we have now legal again - and making my life way easier, as I won't have to rely on black-box testings and clean room techniques anymore, But we would still have the problem of tampering code in memory - having access to the Source Code doesn't invalidate any current Copyrigths applied to assets and code. Someone would need special and clear permission from the current IP owners for that.

But at that time, the sailors were adults and seasoned professionals. And it was a tough battle, I remember because I had lived it. It's not something we want to bring to a game those intended audience is common people, kids or not, interested on STEM, not on coding or Copyrights battles. Follow the money. The World is evolving, revolving and changing - and it's way more complicated than 30 years ago. -------- Again, this is not an argument about what you believe is right - on that, I'm fully sided with you. But Laws don't require our agreement, only only our obedience. You are going to challenge the Law, you can't just disobeyed it on a modern Alamo stand. Well, you can, but...

You can commit any crime if no one is able to see what you are doing, granted. But, by then, you are essentially living in the shadows and without connectivity, how you will share your work and have other people's work shared to you? By using the Deep Web together illegal stuff dealers and worse? But, still, OK, you will survive the ordeal for some time. I have no doubt of it. And the rest of the KSP players? Educational Institutions? Kids (that usually just don't know better, see how many of them were caught by the MPAA RIAA in the Napster times)? You see.. I want all of them playing modded KSP¹, not only you. The Fourth Amendment is part of the USA's Constitution, ruling North-Americans and residents in United States of America. It's not covered by the Berne Convention. And... So I think the 4th Amendment will hot hold on a Court of Law (besides probably it should, because... Heck, man... This is going to be hell...) Please understand I'm not arguing about what's right (morally, I'm 100% sided with you). But I'm playing Devil's Advocate here, and Hell has the best Legal Counselorship in the Universe - believe me. And please, please, pretty please, made it sellable overseas. I could not buy any of the merchandising on the Private Division site because they just didn't allowed me to buy them due some idiotic geographical restrictions (Heck, I could buy from Estes, why not from P.D.? I want my 10th Anniversary Golden Medal!!!). So say we all!!!

I think you failed to grasp the nuance here... Tampering the binary in memory is now a Copyright Infringement, ergo that in-memory-copy is not an authorized copy anymore. So you are in the possession of an illegally obtained copy of the game now - even if an ephemeral one. Sounds ridiculous, but it's exactly the consequences of this verdict, as it's an argument used by the winner party of the lawsuit and so is also part of the precedence: Not anymore!!! Using it is also a copyright infringement! They won the lawsuit where the argument that users would also be in infringement is part of the allegations. I will say it again: they won the case. Additionally, this is not only about USA: on Australia, possession of copyright infringement material is illegal and subject to penalties. Since the Berne Convention kicks in, altering the memory used by a game protected by USA laws make it an infringement even if doing it would be legal on any other game, and so an Aussy would be in possession of copyright infringing material in their computer memory, and so in theory they're liable under the Australian Law. But let's keep things simple for now: in USA, public performances of the infringing material is an offense, right? So what we can say about all that Youtube videos and Imgur screenshots of modded** games around the Internet? They are public performances of the game, right? If these public performances are made using infringing material, then they are infringements themselves. Granted, in theory. But everything is theoretical until it happens - and when we talk about legalese, if it's possible, it will happen. Every law will be applied to its maximum extent given enough time - and I'm still to see any exception to this rule. Forget what you used to know about acceptable practices about Copyright (in USA or anywhere else) - this lawsuit changed everything, this is as bad is it can get. ---- POST EDIT ---- ** Modded by memory/bytecode changing techniques, to be clear. KSP¹ have a Mod loader that loads our code without any "illegal" patching. So as long you don't change any of the KSP¹'s code (bytecode) using patches, this specific problem will not bite you.

As well as larceny. Doesn't really matter if the current Copyright holder will report or not, they could. And if they sell the IP to someone else, this new owner can do it the same - for 70 years, until the Copyright expires. This is not a comfortable place to be. Knowing you are being robbed and not reporting the thefts in the past invalidates the crimes if you report the crime now? This matters. Anyway, injection and decompilation tools weren't a Copyright Infringement until this lawsuit. Now it is. This can be used retroactively? Copyright term extensions are retroactive, can this be? Agreed. Not anymore. This is a Copyright issue now - you can be sued by watching copyright infringing material in your computer, don't you? The whole Napster drama started this way ("vicarious copyright infringement"). Using copyright infringing material is also an infringement! This crap opened a huge can of worms.

Well... Going straight to the matter: there was an appeal in August 2024, but it was rejected. https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/appellate-courts/ca9/23-35468/23-35468-2024-08-26.html So the verdict was confirmed (it's the meaning of the AFFIRMED at the end of the decision), and from this point changing code in memory is a Copyright Infringement with a established legal precedence. Bungie could not care less about modding, they were aiming on cheaters - but the winning argument screwed our lives the same. Modding without legal access to the Source Code, or at least to the API is going to need some creative thinking. So, from now on, LEGAL ACCESS to the Source Code would be a decisive factor for a successful and healthy modding scene on the long run. KSP¹ modding appears to be safe for now, we had the API willingly published and until a new ToS arrives, we are still allowed to mod KSP under the last agreement published.

I'm moving the discussion to this thread to prevent polluting Kopernicus thread. Additionally, I didn't found a reason to create yet a new rant thread, so I took the liberty to use this one as the subjects are, indeed, related. And this is the reason Discord is a horribly mistake. I'm pretty sure you remember how a few amazing persons "welcomed" you when you first tried something around here - from that times to nowadays, we had some improvements on Forum, and to be absolutely frankly (but not necessarily correct), perhaps due the failure of KSP2 someone in a position of charge finally took notice of the Forum problems that I'm absolutely sure were merely a reflection of the internal company ones. Or the other way around, someone took notice of the internal company problems and by side effect, Forum improved: troublesome people leaves, things start to get better by itself - experience taught me. In a way or another, I'm reasonably confident that the troublesome people that left Forum ended going to somewhere else, and it looks like Discord was the place. You may want to reconsider your affiliations, if this is bothering you.

It's frustrating, no doubt. Please understand I'm not downplaying your feelings. I'm choosing to be optimistic because, speaking frankly, there's no reason to be pessimistic by absolute impossibility of things getting worse. Whatever is going to happen here, it's almost surely the decision is already made - if they choose to shut this down, there's no way to get it worse, so the only way is where we are already aimed to go, or in the case they choose to keep this running, to better. So there's no reason to be anxious about, whatever happens, happens. #cowboyBeebopFeelings. If the best doesn't happens (as the worst we already have), of course I will be sad. I'm only choosing not to be sad about it today. The ones that owned us some explanations were the previous IP owners, that I choose not to dignify by mentioning their name. These new guys? They didn't do anything that leaded us into this sad place, they didn't promised anything to us, they didn't got the money from the absolutely majority of us, they aren't the ones in our debt - if still there's a debt at all. The only way they would made me get mad on them is by shutting this down without any kind of warning or farewell - this would made me turn my back to them to never come back, but other than that I'll be only grateful for the extra time they had granted us with. And it's a perfectly valid point of view. Please understand my words above as how I prefer to see things, not how anyone else should do it. Neither do I. Few years ago I could only see a monument to STEM As Entertainment and wonder about how yet more great this was going to be. Even if the worst happens, we will still linger around on alternate places (as Redit and Steam Discussions), but I don't think we will ever have a Forum again - not on the way we have today, at least. Kraken knows who will survive the Darwinism that will succeed - if we could not find a way to work together now, what chances we would get with all the competing subgroups we have now openly battling each other? Who watch the watchers? Anyway... It's not time for such thoughts. At least, yet. It's also my opinion, and I'm pretty sure that it's shared by at least some of the new owners (we are still here, right?). I don't know how much of a value KSP still have nowadays - intuitively, I think it's still meaningful and, so, would worth this small expenditure (as Forum is not exactly an investment anymore, to tell you the truth). It's a small fixed cost that would render variable incoming for years, IMHO. Even if the only utility of the game would be to advertise toys or whatever could be a potential new market to be explored, and as much as they would face a competition, there's one single thing that they have that no one else do: Kerbals. There're tons of cat toys around, this is not a trademarkable character, for example. Kerbals are, and belong to them. No one can compete with that - no matter how better would be the graphics and even the gameplay, it would not be a Kerbal piloting the ships. And this matters.

Dude, I would tip over a coin if the mission demands it to land flat on the Mün

They didn't said a word when the license was renewed in the last time, as well didn't said anything when the Forum broke and was fixed last year. From my previous experience that by coincidence happened when Haveli's parent Company bought Yahoo, no news is good news. If they follow the same M.O. of Apollo Global Management we will be warned if they decide to shut this down, perhaps putting this site in read/only mode instead of killing it. Of course, I may be wrong but at least isn't 50/50, I think it's more like 60 to75% of chances of me being right due past interactions with them (Apollo).

The hunch paid off, I diagnosed the problem. Unfortunately, it's not exactly a but on ScrapYard, but a idiosyncrasy on the new ModuleControlSurface that somehow is not behaving as a it used to behave (as well all others PartModules). The trick will be fix this one without creating issues for the ones that are working fine - what may not even be that hard, but I need to think a bit on this, last time I faced something like that and fixed the way I found best I ended up liquiding off some people here.

Don't joke. I somehow forgot mine there once - don't know how/when I did, just noticed when someone called me and the fridge ringed...

It was made by a body guard.

I understand where you intend to go, but I disagree with the path you are using. A good person will purposely bring harm, sometimes huge amounts of harm, to anyone causing harm to people they care. Police men, soldiers, sometimes a random armed dude in the streets preventing a criminal from killing someone, you name it. I had read something like this once, but I don't remember where and who: "My job is to protect, not to kill. It's not up to me to decide if I will kill someone, this decision was taken bythe dude I'm going to kill by bringing harm to whom I'm protecting".

I found the problem - if happens when you click on "Apply" from the Scrapyard Dialog. I have a hunch about what it can be. I'm looking into it.

Today is this one: This music was probably the reason IBM-PCs got Sound Cards, as it was used on demo sent to Mindscape in the early 80s and it was what made the company President to realize the potential of Music on PCs, even if on an Atari 8 bits machine!

Somehow, this passed trough my stream: The Voyage of the Mimi, a 80's Science Education video. Nowadays, what I found really interesting is the depicting of how USA used to be in the early 80s: busses, streets, cars, technology, you name it. Unsurprisingly, it's a kids show. (and I'm wondering why this was on my livestrem!) -- -- POST EDIT -- -- Hey, the kid is Ben Afflck!!!

Every single mod can break things, no matter what they say. Modding scene, by definition, is chaotic and it's very hard to foresee every single possible interaction between you work and someone else's. The best advice I can give to you is to fully duplicate your KSP installment, install this on the duplicate and toy with it, fooling around to see what happens. If after some time nothing bad happens, it's probably good to go. Kerbin Side Remastered relies on Kerbal Konstructs to work - if KK is working in your rig, than this should work too. I remember even installing this and the older Kerbin Side just to see what happens (TL;DR: the KSC assets overlapped each other, pretty messy but not game crashing). And you can always hit CTRL-K and edit things yourself - what's the essence of modding!

Please give us a KSP.log, a ModuleManager.ConfigCache and a sample craft after reproducing the problem and quitting KSP. More than often, it's something related to a unexpected interaction with some other mod.

Thanks for remember me, I had forgot. I se a task on thunberbird to popup next Saturday! 1.4 and 1.5? IIRC, yes, we had some. Not so much as between 1.3 and 1.4 (or between 1.4.3 and 1.4.4, when my rig at the time stopped playing KSP acceptably).

I agree on principle, but disagree in practice: anyone willing to hurt someone should be in line to get hurt instead. Granted, we need to agree in what would configure "hurt" at first place - we need to establish a threshold, otherwise we will quickly fallback to the Hammurabi Code those best and only virtue is being better than nothing.... I agree. If everything is a weapon, then nothing is. However.... Everything is a tool, including a voice - as well an axe. An axe that cuts wood is a tool, but the same axe can kill a human and now it's a weapon. So a weapon, by definition, is only a tool - a tool used to hurt/kill someone. So we can define a weapon as a tool used to hurt (or ultimately to kill) someone. And, so, we need to define (and agree with such definition) about that threshold I mentioned above. And things can be even messy: I can guarantee you that some of the worst persons I ever met think I AM THE BAD GUY because I had hurt them (or at very least, hindered their lives) somehow. And since I don't have the slightest remorse (au contraire, I would do it again if the same situation would rise), they still think very ill of me. Have them a point? Again... We are back to finding an agreement about that threshold I mentioned at the start of this post. I have strong Catholic backgrounds (besides not feeling like one most of the time). So I like this one more very much: “The greatest saints have been men with more than a normal capacity for evil, and the most vicious men have sometimes narrowly evaded sanctity.” But, still... "Every Saint have a past; every Sinner has a future" is also pretty good - except that I would say "almost every Sinner" instead. Or delisting insurance...

I had lost count of how many of my landings ended this way... and not only on the Moon... https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/07/science/intuitive-machines-moon-lander-dead.html

You know... This would make some nice short history or game titles: The Ride of the Havelis. Waiting for Haveli. Where in the Word is Haveli/Annapurna? A New Hope

No. It's both issues on TCA.

Others that the ones you had thrown trough the window because they are not working anymore. What follows is a very, very silly and minimalist example, but I think it may apply: I find it naive to think that only my professional have such problems - and given the pace in which SpaceX is breaking trough new technologies to solve already existing problems for breakfast (and I will graciously ignore some previously unseen deeds on the field), I think it's reasonable to conclude they are throwing away a lot of books with already established rules about how to do things. (had someone heard of Boeing since the last Starliner fiasco? How many standards Boeing followed to the letter while doing it? ) But there's a risk on doing business always on the bleeding edge: now and then you realize that you threw away a book prematurely, and need to redo something "by the book" this time. TL;DR? This second mishap on Starship? Perhaps it's they realizing that some new cool idea for doing things have a problem that nobody ever realized before, and will have to reevaluate that implementation. But trashing the whole project because of it? Are some people around here nuts? A single mistake condemning the whole program? Where they were when Boeing blew it up horribly many, many times?