Guest Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 (edited) Hey guys ! Quick question: I remember using BDB's parts a long time ago, but I can't recall if the guidance pod (the pointy nose) used on this rocked was from the mod? If so, does someone knows which one it is, I can't find it in my tech tree... Thanks ! Edited February 13, 2022 by LetMePickThat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam-Kerman Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 16 minutes ago, LetMePickThat said: Hey guys ! Quick question: I remember using BDB's parts a long time ago, but I can't recall if the guidance pod (the pointy nose) used on this rocked was from the mod? If so, does someone knows which one it is, I can't find it in my tech tree... Thanks ! Believe it's Wre sat, but I'm booting up to check memory... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starhelperdude Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 Just now, Adam-Kerman said: Believe it's Wre sat, but I'm booting up to check memory... it is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Beccab Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 (edited) The Integrated Program Plan (1969)Manned martian landing, part two This second part of the mission shows on the real focus of the Integrated Program Plan manned mars mission, which is arrival, landing and return. Most of the text here is paraphrased from the original presentation of the IPP to Nixon's space task group which can be found here:https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/atoms/files/19690804_manned_mars_landing_presentation_to_the_space_task_group_by_dr._wernher_von_braun.pdf The mission starts right from where the last post ended, with the acceleration of the twin spacecrafts by the two side nuclear shuttles to trans-Mars injection velocity. These are then shut down, separated from the planetary vehicle and then retro-fired to place them on a highly elliptic path returning to the original assembly orbit altitude. After a coast of several days, the nuclear shuttles arrive at the original assembly orbit altitude and are retro-fired again to place them into a circular orbit where they rendevouz with their refuelling depot for reuse in geosynchronous or lunar missions. Quote Spoiler The ability of man to withstand a zero gravity environment for periods of time exceeding a few weeks was still an unknown at the time. Because of this, the option to provide artificial gravity for the crew during the planetary trip was kept open, and in case early missions indicated the need for artificial gravity the two spaceships could be docked end-to-end and rotated in the plane of the longitudinal axis during extended coast periods. Quote Spoiler During the outbound coast to Mars of approximately nine months, the crew conducts experimental activities such as solar and planetary observations: solar wind measurements, and biological monitoring of the crew, test plants, and animals. At the end of this period, final space vehicle checkout for the Mars orbit insertion maneuver is followed by the retro-fire of the nuclear engine to place the planetary vehicle into an elliptical Mars orbit. The orbit at Mars is elliptical both to reduce fuel requirements for the mission and allow a wider range of planet coverage by optical observations at the cost of requiring a beefier ascent stage on the lander Spoiler MMU inspired from this: Quote The various Viking landers of IPP provided important clues concerning the existence of life on Mars, but did not fully answer the questions as to the possible pathogenic nature of such life. Hence, on the first manned mission, it was be desirable to obtain surface samples prior to the actual human landing and subsequent contamination of the planet, using 12 sterile sample return probes carried on the transfer spacecrafts. Quote Spoiler Sample gathering and launch: Quote Spoiler Once the analysis has revealed no significant biological hazards, the Mars Excursion Module can then proceed to the surface and the samples could be returned to Earth for more detailed analysis, along with the more selective (but perhaps Earth-contaminated) samples obtained by the crew. It's time for three brave people then board the MEM, undock from the main spacecraft and prepare for reentry Quote Ballute deploy At this point, the protective shroud is deployed: in case the descent engine has a problem, this is the moment to abort to orbit with the ascent stage and cancel the landing. Not this time though Houston, Acidalia base here. The MEM has landed! Spoiler The Mars surface activity on the first mission is similar in many ways to the one of Apollo 11. Notable, however, is the much longer stay time (30-60 days per MEM), thus allowing more extensive observations, experimentation and execution of mission scientific objectives. Surface operations include experiments to be performed in the MEM laboratory as well as the external operations on Mars' surface. A small, life-support augumentation rover also allows trips to interesting surface features beyond the immediate landing area. Spoiler Quote Spoiler After 30 days have passed, the crew returns with 90 pounds of samples inside the ascent stage of the MEM and prepares for liftoff. In case the ascent engine doesn't relight and the crew is stranded the second MEM is launched with only one person on a rescue mission; but luckily, that isn't the case here either Quote Staging Spoiler Docking: Quote At the completion of the 80-day period at Mars, the ascent stage and remaining MEM are discarded and transfer spaceships will begin the return leg of the journey. The nuclear stage is ignited for this propulsive maneuver, boosting each spaceship out of Mars orbit. With the extensive Mars exploration activities behind them, the crew at this point can begin a more thorough analysis of the data and samples gathered at Mars, and prepare for the next major milestone of the trip - a close encounter with the planet Venus. Quote As the twin spacecrafts gain speed and near the closest approach of the Venus flyby, four entry probes are deployed to study the atmosphere of the planet in what is effectively the last phase of the mission before returning to Earth while the crews conduct radar mapping of the surface Quote Spoiler Two years have passed since the people on board last saw the Earth, and the time has come for the mission to end: the nuclear stages activate for one last time, bringing the crew into LEO to dock to the space base that is waiting for their arrival. The year is now 1983: there are orbiters around mars and venus, massive space stations in lunar orbit and GEO, rovers on Mars and more than 50 people have landed on the Moon. And now, the first people in history have returned after setting foot on Mars, with many more to follow. This is what the Integrated Program Plan was On 2/6/2022 at 10:59 AM, Galileo chiu said: can we have the Shuttle/StarClipper on KerbalX? Oh, and I almost forgot - here you gohttps://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1uH4D8O1CBUDfKZugCmUAIEy0pl9ta3xS?usp=sharing There's a lot of required mods - Tantares, BDB, OPT, ConformalDecals, Cormorant, Restock, the SSME variants plugin and X-33/Venturestar are the first that come to my mind, but there may be more I'll try to get it on kerbalx too if necessary Edited February 13, 2022 by Beccab Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveyJ576 Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 15 hours ago, CobaltWolf said: i have a vewwy good fwiend in wome named Biggus Geeus (he has a wife, u know) Love it! How will the weight compare to an orbital config Apollo CSM + SLA? Thinking about performance issues with the Saturn IB. I still think you should call it “Bell” instead of Leo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starhelperdude Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 Just now, DaveyJ576 said: Love it! How will the weight compare to an orbital config Apollo CSM + SLA? Thinking about performance issues with the Saturn IB. I still think you should call it “Bell” instead of Leo. how about ''Cronus''? or ''Corn''? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidy12 Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 1 hour ago, Beccab said: The Integrated Program Plan (1969)Manned martian landing, part two This second part of the mission shows on the real focus of the Integrated Program Plan manned mars mission, which is arrival, landing and return. Most of the text here is paraphrased from the original presentation of the IPP to Nixon's space task group which can be found here:https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/atoms/files/19690804_manned_mars_landing_presentation_to_the_space_task_group_by_dr._wernher_von_braun.pdf The mission starts right from where the last post ended, with the acceleration of the twin spacecrafts by the two side nuclear shuttles to trans-Mars injection velocity. These are then shut down, separated from the planetary vehicle and then retro-fired to place them on a highly elliptic path returning to the original assembly orbit altitude. After a coast of several days, the nuclear shuttles arrive at the original assembly orbit altitude and are retro-fired again to place them into a circular orbit where they rendevouz with their refuelling depot for reuse in geosynchronous or lunar missions. Reveal hidden contents The ability of man to withstand a zero gravity environment for periods of time exceeding a few weeks was still an unknown at the time. Because of this, the option to provide artificial gravity for the crew during the planetary trip was kept open, and in case early missions indicated the need for artificial gravity the two spaceships could be docked end-to-end and rotated in the plane of the longitudinal axis during extended coast periods. Hide contents During the outbound coast to Mars of approximately nine months, the crew conducts experimental activities such as solar and planetary observations: solar wind measurements, and biological monitoring of the crew, test plants, and animals. At the end of this period, final space vehicle checkout for the Mars orbit insertion maneuver is followed by the retro-fire of the nuclear engine to place the planetary vehicle into an elliptical Mars orbit. The orbit at Mars is elliptical both to reduce fuel requirements for the mission and allow a wider range of planet coverage by optical observations at the cost of requiring a beefier ascent stage on the lander Hide contents MMU inspired from this: The various Viking landers of IPP provided important clues concerning the existence of life on Mars, but did not fully answer the questions as to the possible pathogenic nature of such life. Hence, on the first manned mission, it was be desirable to obtain surface samples prior to the actual human landing and subsequent contamination of the planet, using 12 sterile sample return probes carried on the transfer spacecrafts. Hide contents Sample gathering and launch: Hide contents Once the analysis has revealed no significant biological hazards, the Mars Excursion Module can then proceed to the surface and the samples could be returned to Earth for more detailed analysis, along with the more selective (but perhaps Earth-contaminated) samples obtained by the crew. It's time for three brave people then board the MEM, undock from the main spacecraft and prepare for reentry Houston, Acidalia base here. The MEM has landed! Hide contents The Mars surface activity on the first mission is similar in many ways to the one of Apollo 11. Notable, however, is the much longer stay time (30-60 days per MEM), thus allowing more extensive observations, experimentation and execution of mission scientific objectives. Surface operations include experiments to be performed in the MEM laboratory as well as the external operations on Mars' surface. A small, life-support augumentation rover also allows trips to interesting surface features beyond the immediate landing area. Reveal hidden contents Hide contents After 30 days have passed, the crew returns with 90 pounds of samples inside the ascent stage of the MEM and prepares for liftoff. In case the ascent engine doesn't relight and the crew is stranded the second MEM is launched with only one person on a rescue mission; but luckily, that isn't the case here either Hide contents Docking: At the completion of the 80-day period at Mars, the ascent stage and remaining MEM are discarded and transfer spaceships will begin the return leg of the journey. The nuclear stage is ignited for this propulsive maneuver, boosting each spaceship out of Mars orbit. With the extensive Mars exploration activities behind them, the crew at this point can begin a more thorough analysis of the data and samples gathered at Mars, and prepare for the next major milestone of the trip - a close encounter with the planet Venus. As the twin spacecrafts gain speed and near the closest approach of the Venus flyby, four entry probes are deployed to study the atmosphere of the planet in what is effectively the last phase of the mission before returning to Earth while the crews conduct radar mapping of the surface Reveal hidden contents Two years have passed since the people on board last saw the Earth, and the time has come for the mission to end: the nuclear stages activate for one last time, bringing the crew into LEO to dock to the space base that is waiting for their arrival. The year is now 1983: there are orbiters around mars and venus, massive space stations in lunar orbit and GEO, rovers on Mars and more than 50 people have landed on the Moon. And now, the first people in history have returned after setting foot on Mars, with many more to follow. This is what the Integrated Program Plan was Oh, and I almost forgot - here you gohttps://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1uH4D8O1CBUDfKZugCmUAIEy0pl9ta3xS?usp=sharing There's a lot of required mods - Tantares, BDB, OPT, ConformalDecals, Cormorant, Restock, the SSME variants plugin and X-33/Venturestar are the first that come to my mind, but there may be more I'll try to get it on kerbalx too if necessary Dear God, the complexity of this craft/scene is absolutely MIND-BENDING. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beccab Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 (edited) 35 minutes ago, davidy12 said: Dear God, the complexity of this craft/scene is absolutely MIND-BENDING. I stopped counting the number of times my pc crashed where the twin spacecrafts were in the same scene. With that plus the fact that I had to rewrite the whole post three times due to firefox doing firefox things, I think I'll take a break for a few days from that stuff now At least I can finally close the 20 or so tabs I had to leave open for reference pics! Edited February 13, 2022 by Beccab Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Invaderchaos Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 7 hours ago, Beccab said: The Integrated Program Plan (1969)Manned martian landing, part two Wow, those are some seriously awesome pics!! Every set of screenshots you post always seems to raise the bar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 18 hours ago, Starhelperdude said: it is 18 hours ago, Adam-Kerman said: Thanks a lot, I really appreciate it ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CobaltWolf Posted February 14, 2022 Author Share Posted February 14, 2022 Some more update images on the Big G. It's going to have it's own upgraded parachutes and nose, since that was a complaint a lot of people shared about the current half-implemented Big G. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtomicTech Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 19 hours ago, DaveyJ576 said: Love it! How will the weight compare to an orbital config Apollo CSM + SLA? Thinking about performance issues with the Saturn IB. I still think you should call it “Bell” instead of Leo. Perhaps you should call it the Eustace! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CobaltWolf Posted February 14, 2022 Author Share Posted February 14, 2022 19 hours ago, DaveyJ576 said: Love it! How will the weight compare to an orbital config Apollo CSM + SLA? Thinking about performance issues with the Saturn IB. I still think you should call it “Bell” instead of Leo. Big G wouldn't have ever launched on Saturn 1B. It would've either been some Titan variant (IIIM or IIIG which is a "wide" Titan), Saturn INT-11 (Saturn 1 with UA120s) or Saturn INT-20 (S-IVB + S-1C). Honestly? Given how marginal the Saturn 1B is on performance, I'm ok with pushing players to just upgrade to something a bit more substantial for alt hist stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cochies Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 35 minutes ago, CobaltWolf said: Some more update images on the Big G. It's going to have it's own upgraded parachutes and nose, since that was a complaint a lot of people shared about the current half-implemented Big G. Looks good. But I wanted to ask: for what diameter is the service module made? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CobaltWolf Posted February 14, 2022 Author Share Posted February 14, 2022 Just now, Cochies said: Looks good. But I wanted to ask: for what diameter is the service module made? It mates to the S-IVB, so 4.25m. That's why I waited so long to make the Big G service module - I knew it would be dependent on the S-IVB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaintedLion Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 Minor request, could we have a B9 part switch for the S-IV tapered tank where it tapers to 1.875 instead of 2.5? It'd make linking a Centaur a lot cleaner. The only option we have right now is the Atlas V Centaur adapter and that part clashes visually. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldForest Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 (edited) @Beccab Where did you get the MEM modules and viking landers or did you kitbash? Edited February 14, 2022 by GoldForest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beccab Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 8 minutes ago, GoldForest said: @Beccab Where did you get the MEM modules and viking landers or did you kitbash? The base of the MEM is from here: However, I redid everything else to make it look closer to the BDB detailment level, and in fact I couldn't really do much to hide that the cockpit is just the white BDB apollo capsule with a few decals and a different nosecone The sample return probe and rover instead is completely kitbashed, mostly from Universal Storage and BDB itself. It's not Viking btw, but you're right that there was a proposal for a sample return variant of it However, I preferred to recreate the probe they put in the IPP graphics as best as I could since I couldn't find what design it was actually representing here:https://e05code.files.wordpress.com/2021/11/1080_1022_08.jpg?w=1123&h=&zoom=2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dressian Exploder Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 Just a quick question, would it be possible to make a variant of the Apollo capsule that doesn't have all the parachute mounting harware on top? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starhelperdude Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 4 hours ago, CobaltWolf said: Big G wouldn't have ever launched on Saturn 1B. It would've either been some Titan variant (IIIM or IIIG which is a "wide" Titan), Saturn INT-11 (Saturn 1 with UA120s) or Saturn INT-20 (S-IVB + S-1C). Honestly? Given how marginal the Saturn 1B is on performance, I'm ok with pushing players to just upgrade to something a bit more substantial for alt hist stuff. the fact that this gives Saturn INT-11 a canonical payload makes me sad because I don't like INT-11 literally the only directly-Saturn 1B-derived INT that is very hard to fly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billbobjebkirk Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 (edited) On 2/13/2022 at 12:50 PM, Beccab said: The Integrated Program Plan (1969)Manned martian landing, part two Friggin BadS!!!! I'd love to see your take on a full IPP moonbase mission if you're up to it, though obviously not until after a well-deserved break! 6 hours ago, CobaltWolf said: Some more update images on the Big G. It's going to have it's own upgraded parachutes and nose, since that was a complaint a lot of people shared about the current half-implemented Big G. Could you also add a proper launch escape tower for it as well? I believe that was part of the plans for Big BasicallyCleanSheetInGemini'sClothing Edited February 14, 2022 by billbobjebkirk escape Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blu3wolf Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 Can anyone recommend a mod to use with this one, to provide ejection seats to the Leo capsule? Ive had a couple losses due to OhScrap parachute failures at about 200m off the ground. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Invaderchaos Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 Pretty much all of the generic BDB fairing bases had 3 paint switches: white, black, and gray (metal). However the generic 2.5m fairing base did not. As the white base did not look the best while using the SIV fairing and the black SA-6 textures for SIV, I wanted to make paint switches for this fairing base. Unfortunately, it did not have its own texture and shared a texture with the 2.5m DCSS interstage. So, to make the rest of the texture space useful, I also made blue and green paint variants for the 2.5m DCSS interstage. Now on github! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaos113 Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 On 2/13/2022 at 9:45 AM, Tangle said: All dresses are functional so long as they give you gender euphoria yus also your pfp is cute Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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