Air Superiority Fighter Competition Continued

[goduranus]

And Finally @Box of Stardust's PEGASys with the Leaderboard top dog, the  @dundun93's TFD

Spoiler

@Box of Stardust's tuning has paid off, and PEGASys tops the leaderboard

 

Current leaderboard as of this post:

1	PEGASys-D3
2	TFD mod A
3	Rabid Squirrel
4	Vampire Squirrel (next match)
5	Viper-ASP MkIIc
'temporary' 6	Gunbrick

Either Rabid Squirrel or Vampire Squirrel would be eliminated if it loses the next match.

[Mukita12]

6 hours ago, Box of Stardust said:

 

@Mukita12 your F-16 doesn't have a Flight AI and a Weapon Manager, so it can't be tested.

Then Add One!

[Dimas152]

13 hours ago, Box of Stardust said:

Alright guys, since @exbyde seems a bit busy right now and I've got some time off from classes, I'll help him out by working through the queue, pitting planes up against @dundun92's Du-3 currently in 5th place, and once something gets through the Du-3, will go up against my Viper ASP MkIIc in #4. And if they beat the Viper, they will sit at #4 with a 'to be continued' status until exbyde can continue testing of the PEGASys-D3 until that settles into a spot. And, naturally, if there's still planes to be tested and I still have time, will be continuing to go through the queue until the #5 spot is taken from the Viper and also receives a 'to be continued' status.

Current leaderboard as a quick visualization:

1	TFD mod A
2	Rabid Squirrel
3	PEGASys-D3 (to be continued)
4	Viper ASP MkIIc
5	Du-3

The Unlimited queue, as of right now, is this:

1. @l0kki Cake
2. @Wolf5698 Jaguar
3. @prgmTrouble  X-14 Præparet Proelium
4. @goduranus Vampire Squirrel
5. @OvoFox11 DC-3a was submitted, but retracted
6. @dundun92 Du-5R
7. @Mukita12 F-16
8. @Box of Stardust Gunbrick (replaced Basilisk-D5 in queue)
9. @prgmTrouble X-15 Exoneratis Hirundo
10. @Earthlinger Berzerker 2.1
11. @ZLM-Master VG-D3.4-PG
12. @53miner53 P-5 Flash
13. @Wolf5698 Lynx
14. @Wolf5698 Cheetah
15. @ZLM-Master Rafale
16. @GillyMonster Dart II
17. @dundun93 TFD 2.1
18. @Box of Stardust Basilisk -C3
19. @Box of Stardust CShRAID

Wew! Now that's a queue.

Battles are being recorded as of this post.

And of course, if exbyde or anyone has problems with anything I do in recording... I guess just call it unofficial?

wait, where's my F-22N? 

[goduranus]

@Mukita12 according to rules on the first page, the builder is responsible for all modifications to the craft, you have to do the tuning yourself. Besides, AI settings is a very important part of the plane, if its AI is not tuned it's gonna get pwned anyways.

Vampire Squirrel vs Rabid Squirrel

Spoiler

I am surprised that Rabid Squirrel managed to win a round despite not having MLRS, and being heavier. 

 

1	PEGASys-D3
2	TFD mod A
3	Vampire Squirrel (next match)
4	Viper-ASP MkIIc
5	Gunbrick

4 minutes ago, [INDO]dimas_1502 said:

wait, where's my F-22N? 

On 29/12/2017 at 11:12 PM, exbyde said:

RESERVED POST:

this is just for any notes/ recent changes. The current list of aircraft waiting for testing are:

1. @[INDO]dimas_1502 F-22n Sea Raptor hold for infernal robotics requirements

 

[Dimas152]

i think i've said "just leave the wings open"

[goduranus]

 

I noticed that in VS RS battle 1 the VS I was viewing was damaged from the start. I think that's the damage from taking off after falling over. It looks like I didn't upload the version with the fixed landing gear, and can't change it now that battles are ran. if anyone else runs it, please check that none of them fell over before starting the match. 

[53miner53]

4 hours ago, [INDO]dimas_1502 said:

i think i've said "just leave the wings open"

The craft won’t load if he doesn’t have IR

[Box of Stardust]

5 hours ago, goduranus said:

I watched some old Rabid Squirrel videos and restored it to what I believe are old settings. So here's PEGASys vs Rabid Squirrel

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PEGASys seems superior to Rabid Squirrel, particularly in its survivability evident in the first match, where it could continue flying despite losing many of the wing pieces

 

I would say that last plane was flying because of losing all its wings; it'd be cork-screwing all around otherwise if it only lost one side.

 

 

Also, neat.

I spent almost every free minute I had for a whole week tuning that plane.

Edited March 16, 2018 by Box of Stardust

[goduranus]

3 minutes ago, Box of Stardust said:

I would say that last plane was flying because of losing all its wings; it'd be cork-screwing all around otherwise.

That happened several times when I was trying your plane before, it kept flying as a distraction, and I think it's a good feature.

[Box of Stardust]

2 minutes ago, goduranus said:

That happened several times when I was trying your plane before, it kept flying as a distraction, and I think it's a good feature.

You can thank every time I saw 'Rabid Squirrel Rover' for that design feature lol.

Edited March 16, 2018 by Box of Stardust

[GillyMonster]

After seeing the Vampire Squirrel and it's MLRS, I have to ask what the point is (aside from looking awesome like something out of A Mobile Suit series).  Can't a weapons manager be set to launch that many missiles from standard pylons?

 

Edited March 16, 2018 by GillyMonster

[Box of Stardust]

1 hour ago, GillyMonster said:

After seeing the Vampire Squirrel and it's MLRS, I have to ask what the point is (aside from looking awesome like something out of A Mobile Suit series).  Can't a weapons manager be set to launch that many missiles from standard pylons?

 

Nope. Weapons manager requires a lock to fire missiles, and it ripple fires it instead of a salvo. In this method, the Modular Missile locks through GPS, which is pretty much just programming it to 'fire at x range from target', and action groups just 'fire' the Sidewinders without locking.

We've basically turned into Macross without the transforming-into-mecha part. 

Edited March 16, 2018 by Box of Stardust

[GillyMonster]

1 minute ago, Box of Stardust said:

Nope. Weapons manager requires a lock to fire missiles, and it ripple fires it instead of a salvo.

We've basically turned into Macross without the transforming-into-mecha part. 

Lol  so does the MLRS act like a missile itself with the missiles linked to fire when the MLRS detaches (like a custom missile)?

[goduranus]

37 minutes ago, GillyMonster said:

Lol  so does the MLRS act like a missile itself with the missiles linked to fire when the MLRS detaches (like a custom missile)?

Yes.

I did some tinkering and it seems the culprit of missiles exploding on the launching craft is the drop timer used to stagger the AIM-9 launches. The solution might be to have multiple modular missiles controls, each with staggered ranges without drop timer, and have each MMC launching a single AIM-9. A few AIM-9s that needed to be fired from closer than the minimum range setting of the modular missile control would still need drop timer, but these could be ejected downwards to prevent collision with launching craft. Also maybe tilting up the MLRS slightly will help.

I am gonna try this.

Edit,

Hmm, the newest version of the Vampire Squirrel from a couple of days back already had MLRS tilted up slightly, could've swear I uploaded that one but nope.

Oh well, gonna send in that version as a new entry.

https://kerbalx.com/goduranus/Vampire-Squirrel-B

Edited March 16, 2018 by goduranus

[Box of Stardust]

33 minutes ago, goduranus said:

Yes.

I did some tinkering and it seems the culprit of missiles exploding on the launching craft is the drop timer used to stagger the AIM-9 launches. The solution might be to have multiple modular missiles controls, each with staggered ranges without drop timer, and have each MMC launching a single AIM-9. A few AIM-9s that needed to be fired from closer than the minimum range setting of the modular missile control would still need drop timer, but these could be ejected downwards to prevent collision with launching craft. Also maybe tilting up the MLRS slightly will help.

I am gonna try this.

Edit,

Hmm, the newest version of the Vampire Squirrel from a couple of days back already had MLRS tilted up slightly, could've swear I uploaded that one but nope.

Oh well, gonna send in that version as a new entry.

https://kerbalx.com/goduranus/Vampire-Squirrel-B

Meanwhile, I just mounted my MLRS on an underside hardpoint and never had to worry about Sidewinder suicides.

Still, any solution is better than launching the MLRS backwards behind the aircraft. 

I was experimenting with multi-range drops, but I don't think I'm getting the intended behavior. Maybe more testing required. 

[GillyMonster]

8 minutes ago, Box of Stardust said:

Meanwhile, I just mounted my MLRS on an underside hardpoint and never had to worry about Sidewinder suicides.

Still, any solution is better than launching the MLRS backwards behind the aircraft. 

I was experimenting with multi-range drops, but I don't think I'm getting the intended behavior. Maybe more testing required. 

I was trying to build a missile boat from Star Wars with the missiles (sidewinders and AMRAAMs) clustered in a tube rocket pod style and I ran into similar issues.  I changed each missile to no drop time, drop direction to forward and decouple speed to maximum and it seemed to solve the missile/aircraft collision issue even during high-g turns.  That might fix the suicide issue.

[goduranus]

13 minutes ago, Box of Stardust said:

but I don't think I'm getting the intended behavior. Maybe more testing required. 

Did you crank up the "Missiles per Target" setting on the weapon controller? Usd missile controller bits floating around count as active missiles. If you've reached the setting limit then more missiles won't be fired.

Edited March 16, 2018 by goduranus

[Box of Stardust]

15 minutes ago, goduranus said:

Did you crank up the "Missiles per Target" setting on the weapon controller? Usd missile controller bits floating around count as active missiles. If you've reached the setting limit then more missiles won't be fired.

Actually

 

 

sekrit

 

I was testing using the RBS Cruise Missile as a routing device. Inspiration from ZLM's new, unreleased project (that I happened to come by on KerbalX).

[ZLM-Master]

@Box of Stardust Shhhh ^^ It's a secret ........

XD XD XD

EDIT , Yep , not easy to tune . Still working on it !

Edited March 16, 2018 by ZLM-Master

[GillyMonster]

Does an AI pilot use RCS thrusters if they're installed?

[Box of Stardust]

20 minutes ago, GillyMonster said:

Does an AI pilot use RCS thrusters if they're installed?

Unfortunately not. If there's a way to program the flight AI to turn on the RCS, maybe with a modular missile controller, I'm not sure. Haven't tried it.

[goduranus]

Don't bother with it, the RCS torque is puny compared to aerodynamic forces at any significant speeds.

[GillyMonster]

53 minutes ago, goduranus said:

Don't bother with it, the RCS torque is puny compared to aerodynamic forces at any significant speeds.

I meant for a custom missile using monopropellant.  Like if RCS is activated prior to takeoff.

Edited March 16, 2018 by GillyMonster

[Box of Stardust]

BD Modular Missiles are still allowed, right? 

Since this has kind of gone from a fighter competition to a weapons competition...

[Piatzin]

2 minutes ago, Box of Stardust said:

Since this has kind of gone from a fighter competition to a weapons competition...

True, that

Gun spam matters more than maneuverability lately...