(Probable spoilers) The Star Wars serials thread, aka The KenoBobaMandaloriAhsokAndor thread

[kerbiloid]

Chewbacca and R2D2 having break, 1976.

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Edited June 4 by kerbiloid

[AstroWolfie]

The Acolyte comes out later (PST)  today…

[AlamoVampire]

I watched the first two episodes of the acolyte and came away thinking: waste of money putting trinity (actress) into the show. And i was also thinking it felt more like fan fiction than a worthwhile addition. The sabers looked like they were bought at a disney park rather than being elegant weapons of a more civilized time. And in general it just feels like a blatant cash grab kinda like the obiwan series or the horrific mukbang that was the sequel trilogy… or the mess that mandalorian became post grogu going with Luke only to be forced back into the show negating season 1… Will i watch the rest of it? Yup. Do i hold out hope it will get better? Nope. I just kinda wanna watch it flounder out.

my opinion. Results may vary. Mileage may differ. Blah blah other disclaimers blah blah.

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Edited June 5 by AlamoVampire

[kerbiloid]

It's a pity that the young years of the most body-positive heroes of the SW are still not properly depicted.

What made Jabba Desilijic Tiure of Nal Hutta become what he appears to be in the SW?

Was he a victim of the school bullying, when they were objectifying his body-gifted look?

Were they prohibiting him to have any pet animal, even a reptile in the dungeon?

Was he having a possibility to drive a desert suspended yacht, or his elder siblings were laughing at him and pushing him back from it?

I can't believe that his multifaceted nature could turn to evil without a pressing from the surrounding society.
There must be light and kind sides of his character.

Say, the episode when he pulls chained Leya to him, definnitely opens his internal loneliness. He wants to hug and be hugged, he doesn't want to be alone between the crowd of the minions.
Hi fragile, trembling nature of a big child just can't express his feelings more softly.

[Gargamel]

Having just finished episode 4 of Acolyte, it might turn out pretty dang good, or just meh.    First few episodes made me think it’d be meh, but this last one seems to have set a new pace for the show.    

[AstroWolfie]

So far it’s been mid

[BA-Forums]

I think some of the criticisms are valid, but a lot of the hate that people have been spreading out and the controversies is politically charged (culture wars again, this and along with inflation is why we literally can’t have anything these days ) and very unwarranted, along with being not cool at all.
 

All in all, I do think it could be a bit better too, plot wise. It has room for improvement.

[AstroWolfie]

I think the retconning about you-know-who is my least favorite part about the show.

[Gargamel]

35 minutes ago, AstroWolfie said:

I think the retconning about you-know-who is my least favorite part about the show.

I’m actually not getting who you’re talking about.   I was under the impression this was set a significant time before ep1 (film), and if we’re referring to Darth Maul, I don’t think there was much history known to retcon, nor have I heard them trying to force any canon on us yet.     

[AstroWolfie]

Yeah 100 years before the rise of the empire, but (ep 3 spoilers ahead)

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The witches used some force magic to convince Osha and Mae, kind of making Anakin less special.

 

[Gargamel]

36 minutes ago, AstroWolfie said:

Yeah 100 years before the rise of the empire, but (ep 3 spoilers ahead)

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The witches used some force magic to convince Osha and Mae, kind of making Anakin less special.

 

Not sure what the spoiler means, but I’m assuming we’re talking about the extended universe?    To me, that’s merely a guideline for the visual medium, not actual canon.   

[cubinator]

I'll most likely give Acolyte a shot at some point, but I haven't been feeling like watching a show lately.

[Nuke]

i feel like star wars is in a less vandalized state than star trek. but in modern instances of both there are a few gems amongst the rubble. andor, the animated trek shows, the first 2 seasons of the mandolorian, the 3rd season of picard. what people are angry about is the appropriation of their nerd culture by people with political agendas. when they actually give a damn about the story they can actually do good. also there is a right way and a wrong way to do political commentary in a show. if it feels like they are standing on a soap box preaching the way things ought to be, thats not good. but if you just showase the issue you end up with a lot better reception and more effective commentary. also it kind of feels out of place here, i can understand it in star trek, but its out of place in star wars. a universe where everything is in black and white terms is not the place to do political commentary. the thing i didnt really like about the new trilogy i think had to do with the fact that they just kept regurgitating the same plot. i can only do empire has a superweapon so many times before i get bored.

Edited June 24 by Nuke

[SunlitZelkova]

I wasn’t interested enough to watch at all, and the first episode wasn’t too interesting but after I got to two a couple days later I watched all the way to the latest episode (5) in one sitting.

It’s not astoundingly great but it’s good, IMO. Much better than the sequels anyhow.

The reaction to it on r/prequelmemes is pretty funny. For a long time those guys were pretty loud in asking for High Republic content and the moment it hit it turned into a poopstorm over the tiniest things. Then there were people complaining about the complainers, and complainers about the complainers about the complainers.

On 6/23/2024 at 9:03 PM, Nuke said:

what people are angry about is the appropriation of their nerd culture by people with political agendas. when they actually give a damn about the story they can actually do good. also there is a right way and a wrong way to do political commentary in a show. if it feels like they are standing on a soap box preaching the way things ought to be, thats not good. but if you just showase the issue you end up with a lot better reception and more effective commentary. also it kind of feels out of place here, i can understand it in star trek, but its out of place in star wars. a universe where everything is in black and white terms is not the place to do political commentary.

Star Wars has always been political. Empire vs. Rebellion was an allegory for the Vietnam War (or what George thought about it anyway).

The prequels opened the door to a little more “greyness” in the way the franchise approached politics, because you have the Republic fighting against the tyrannical Confederacy, but in the end it just results in it becoming the Empire. The Clone Wars animated series wasn’t really able to touch on this because it was limited by the good guy vs. bad guy Saturday morning cartoon format, but Andor has kind of touched on it.

But even then, Luke believing there was good in his father and him turning on the Emperor in the end is (a very tiny) degree of greyness in the OT, rather than black and white evil.

(Although that probably wasn’t what George intended originally, but that’s a topic for another time)

I agree it often seems like they don’t care about the story. I think part of why there a lot of prequel fans nowadays is because even though the dialogue wasn’t great, it had a coherent story crafted by one man. Contrast this with the sequels, which were basically written by playing the telephone game between JJ Abrams and Rian Johnson.

And most of the D+ shows. Rumor has it those are often written by committee, which is never a recipe for success.

Edited July 1 by SunlitZelkova

[AlamoVampire]

On 6/21/2024 at 4:14 PM, cubinator said:

I'll most likely give Acolyte a shot at some point, but I haven't been feeling like watching a show lately.

Dont waste your time. Its completely unwatchable. While critics seem to love it, audiences in general pan the show. I watched the first 2 episodes and came away as you see in my first post on it. Then I watched or rather TRIED to watch episode 3. And after 10 minutes walked away. Its written badly. It treats the source material like its a suggestion. It feels more like a grotesque mockery of what Star Wars is. It has the feel of what a child would write as a story if all they knew of Star Wars were bad memes. Its clear its a cash grab and a shoddily executed fever dream of a flu induced fever dream of a bad bout of food poisoning would conjure up in the throws of a dehydration induced hallucination.

my opinion ofc but id say the majority of star wars fans seem to agree.

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[AstroWolfie]

The last episode was FREAKY

[magnemoe]

On 7/1/2024 at 11:34 PM, SunlitZelkova said:

I wasn’t interested enough to watch at all, and the first episode wasn’t too interesting but after I got to two a couple days later I watched all the way to the latest episode (5) in one sitting.

It’s not astoundingly great but it’s good, IMO. Much better than the sequels anyhow.

The reaction to it on r/prequelmemes is pretty funny. For a long time those guys were pretty loud in asking for High Republic content and the moment it hit it turned into a poopstorm over the tiniest things. Then there were people complaining about the complainers, and complainers about the complainers about the complainers.

Star Wars has always been political. Empire vs. Rebellion was an allegory for the Vietnam War (or what George thought about it anyway).

The prequels opened the door to a little more “greyness” in the way the franchise approached politics, because you have the Republic fighting against the tyrannical Confederacy, but in the end it just results in it becoming the Empire. The Clone Wars animated series wasn’t really able to touch on this because it was limited by the good guy vs. bad guy Saturday morning cartoon format, but Andor has kind of touched on it.

But even then, Luke believing there was good in his father and him turning on the Emperor in the end is (a very tiny) degree of greyness in the OT, rather than black and white evil.

(Although that probably wasn’t what George intended originally, but that’s a topic for another time)

I agree it often seems like they don’t care about the story. I think part of why there a lot of prequel fans nowadays is because even though the dialogue wasn’t great, it had a coherent story crafted by one man. Contrast this with the sequels, which were basically written by playing the telephone game between JJ Abrams and Rian Johnson.

And most of the D+ shows. Rumor has it those are often written by committee, which is never a recipe for success.

This

This give an very good breakdown, not watched the clone wars because of the look (bad video game graphic for the time)
You you have to be very careful about as getting to close to real life politic and to in your face as you can easy loos an large faction of your audience. 

Worse  it looks like lots of reboots and adaptations  select producers who do not know the source material or even actively dislike it .
Well there goes you billion dollar franchise or at least having an very bad and expensive day, think Pearl harbor. 

Star wars has the obvious meme of this 

Yes it was very spectacular and would been very cool in an stand alone movie, not in an long term franchise as it breaks all the rules, drops some hundred hyperspace torpedoes at the death star. 
If some hit it would kill it. 
And this was probably not bad faith, just oh shiny, no thought of the universe but that entire part was so stupid. 

[SunlitZelkova]

3 hours ago, magnemoe said:

Yes it was very spectacular and would been very cool in an stand alone movie, not in an long term franchise as it breaks all the rules, drops some hundred hyperspace torpedoes at the death star. 
If some hit it would kill it.

In their defence, the question of why someone didn't build an unmanned or droid piloted X-Wing sized hyperdrive missile always existed in Star Wars, even without that scene. It just took this movie to bring the matter up in popular discussion.

[magnemoe]

12 hours ago, SunlitZelkova said:

In their defence, the question of why someone didn't build an unmanned or droid piloted X-Wing sized hyperdrive missile always existed in Star Wars, even without that scene. It just took this movie to bring the matter up in popular discussion.

I thought most assumes something in hyperspace would pass straight through, at least smaller stuff like an spaceship, flying trough an planet might be an problem. 
As its an very obvious tactic people should have thought of it. Missile does not need to be that large either as you don't need cockpit or weapons. 

Now they have an huge device who prevent you from enter hyperspace, guess it also pull you out of it, Huge as it take up most of an star destroyer, note this is from an video game. 

[SunlitZelkova]

7 hours ago, magnemoe said:

I thought most assumes something in hyperspace would pass straight through, at least smaller stuff like an spaceship, flying trough an planet might be an problem. 
As its an very obvious tactic people should have thought of it. Missile does not need to be that large either as you don't need cockpit or weapons. 

Now they have an huge device who prevent you from enter hyperspace, guess it also pull you out of it, Huge as it take up most of an star destroyer, note this is from an video game. 

Stuff going through hyperspace can still collide with other objects. It’s why special courses have to be plotted for traveling to different star systems (“calculate the jump”), instead of just going in a straight line there.

It’s kinda unclear how long it takes to get there. In The Clone Wars show Anakin’s fleet jumped from the Outer Rim to Coruscant in “under an hour” while Luke & Co apparently took long enough from Tatooine to Alderaan that he become nominally able to use the force.

[Nuke]

relevant meme

[BA-Forums]

On 7/3/2024 at 10:51 PM, AstroWolfie said:

The last episode was FREAKY

wordington star wars

[magnemoe]

On 7/5/2024 at 10:14 PM, SunlitZelkova said:

Stuff going through hyperspace can still collide with other objects. It’s why special courses have to be plotted for traveling to different star systems (“calculate the jump”), instead of just going in a straight line there.

It’s kinda unclear how long it takes to get there. In The Clone Wars show Anakin’s fleet jumped from the Outer Rim to Coruscant in “under an hour” while Luke & Co apparently took long enough from Tatooine to Alderaan that he become nominally able to use the force.

And that is another sci-fi stupidity, space is empty, outside nebula's and other places with thousands of atoms in an cubic meter and some dust its nothing to run into. 
Yes you would want to check for safety and having flight corridors makes sense for rescue but in combat and you don't want to be where just port. 

[Nuke]

ok spent the last 2 days binging the last season of the bad batch. was pretty good. why is it that animated shows get a more mature handling than the live action ones? you would think the inverse would be true.

[Nuke]

On 6/21/2024 at 7:02 AM, AstroWolfie said:

I think the retconning about you-know-who is my least favorite part about the show.

the best shows are the ones based off obscure or seldom seen characters. i know there is a trend towards keeping the usual heroes and you dont need to assassinate their character to create new heroes. there are better ways to pass the torch than to destroy what came before. in this case its better to add than replace. if you must remove them let them go out in a blaze of glory rather than taking them into the back room and shooting them or stabbing them with a light saber (solo's death was so forgettable i forget how he went, and i saw it in the theater).