Idiocracy (2006)

[boriz]

Enjoyed the film. Just like I enjoyed the book 1984. At the time, I was reassured that it was fiction.

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Edited yesterday at 08:00 AM by boriz

[AlamoVampire]

Fiction turned blueprint. Scary stuff. 033502112025

[Superfluous J]

The most unrealistic part of the film is the time it took to get there.

[Lisias]

4 hours ago, boriz said:

 I was reassured that it was fiction.

They told me the same about Terminator and Planet of the Apes.

And I really starting to worry about  Omega Man and  Zero Population Growth - but I think we still have some decades before Soylent Green.

[JoeSchmuckatelli]

5 hours ago, Lisias said:

Soylent

There are other flavors while you wait for the inevitable 

[Nuke]

i take the fact that there are no seashells in the bathroom as a good sign.

[Lisias]

4 hours ago, Nuke said:

i take the fact that there are no seashells in the bathroom as a good sign.

Uhhh... o.O

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[Fizzlebop Smith]

This thought probably stems from my spiritual belief that the philosophers of old understood existence itself as divine. All myths and science were a result of trying to explain repeatable phenomenon.

The apple of Genesis does not represent a metaphor for disobeying the divine creator..  it was for questioning the authority. Humans do not understand "enough" as desirable.

If some is good, more is better.. our need to know drives us to advance. 

I feel there is a concentrated effort to prevent this form of development through enforce ideological lensing.

It saddens me that this bit of fiction is becoming realized.

I have a feeling most of use older folks that view this movie.. could witness the signs on the horizon.

Bread and Circus is something I recall reading once upon a time. 

 

 

[Nuke]

its ok, before that happens society will collapse. humans will survive but it will take another thousand years to rebuild. if we can rebuild to the same level. one of the great filters may be not having enough funds to pay for a space program because society has collapsed enough times that you need every available resource just to survive, and will do so until the sun expands or the biosphere becomes unable to support life. future humans will look back at us the way we look back at rome before the fall. they will call us ignorant and misguided, all while building up to the next fall as the lesson is forgotten. onward utopian mice!

 

the next fall will probibly look like the forever winter, the one after that will look like scorn.

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[AlamoVampire]

All i can say is it also feels like they took the star wars prequels as a blueprint too. We are doomed. 172702112025

i am irritated I did not realize something. We missed one.

im going to be worried now. 173202112025

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[SunlitZelkova]

Idiots will always exist as long as there are those who declare themselves geniuses and others idiots.

Which is to say idiots don't exist. Nor do geniuses.

In the end, rats and corvids will jointly dig in to the last human corpse. And it will be like all of the others: it drank, it ate, it made waste, it rested, and it reproduced. And then it died.

The infant made for good eats too.

[Nuke]

7 hours ago, AlamoVampire said:

All i can say is it also feels like they took the star wars prequels as a blueprint too. We are doomed. 172702112025

i am irritated I did not realize something. We missed one.

im going to be worried now. 173202112025

i kind of want to binge watch the old tv series again.

[Nuke]

2 hours ago, SunlitZelkova said:

Idiots will always exist as long as there are those who declare themselves geniuses and others idiots.

Which is to say idiots don't exist. Nor do geniuses.

In the end, rats and corvids will jointly dig in to the last human corpse. And it will be like all of the others: it drank, it ate, it made waste, it rested, and it reproduced. And then it died.

The infant made for good eats too.

people throw both terms around a bit to liberally. genius just mean "someone in my in group", or "like me", and idiot just means "somebody with a different opinion than mine". of course they think of themselves as geniuses because they have a couple skills they think are rare.  of course people today talk in hyperbole. you got to destroy the other person, if you say that i expect to see internal organs strewn about, not merely that they lost an argument, and whether or not they actually lost is not really investigated. i guess this is the modern newspeak. 

throw a clockwork orange reference in there too because the way the young generations feel a need to talk in a way that conveys nothing to bracketing generations. even though prior to the grunge era people had been using the same beatnik and surfer slang since the '50s with some '60s hippy speak thrown in. i guess yz,s wanted to be different, even to an x-y sandwicher that listens to metal from the 70s-80s back when everyone else was wearing flannel.  then the phone people seem to be talking in acronyms that have been reused so many times i have to look it up in the urban dictionary. i wont even touch on urban slang the same way i refuse to live in cities. people would rather sound cool (chill is not only the wrong tense, it is very derivative) than communicate effectively.

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[DDE]

5 hours ago, Nuke said:

people throw both terms around a bit to liberally. genius just mean "someone in my in group", or "like me", and idiot just means "somebody with a different opinion than mine".

Only partly so. Overall, society has become more intolerant of eccentricity and deviance. Previously, to retain respectability, you needed to avoid insults to the core ideology (religion included). Now, however, there is a tendency, a desire to establish a comprehensive range of opinions on "settled" science, politics and even cultural tastes that you need to adopt wholecloth to avoid being ostracized as a frothing at the mouth, brainwashed idiot. Note that there are a lot of different tribes doing that, and that it has no bearing on the validity of underlying opinions - although it does carry all the usual hazards of dogma. Sure, this dogma claims it's not dogma because it destroyed the previous dogma, but that's transparent manipulation, isn't it?

Now on to the orange elephant in the room. It's a scourge brought on by the growing calcification of the broader political system. Such loudmouths from the streets are the relative peaceful alternative to tearing it all down violently, because you have a huge segment of the population (as well as the elites) who think a system built to serve them no longer even pays lip service to them. Without being offered a way out through established political forces - something that generally keeps happening in Europe, where many far-right surges were defused through the "rightening" of moderate parites - they turn to releasing a bull in a china shop. Or a whole herd of them.

And a china shop it is. The driving impulse, for at least a year, will be the sheer schadenfreude of watching the cherished china of the aforementioned dogmatic beliefs and values being shattered. It is a gleeful vindication for those whose opinions were long-discounted as "idiocy", to the point of gaslighting, and whose suggestions were dismissed as "impossible" or "immoral". However, you may notice that it's an entirely negative message - and you'd be right, that's why it's not a lasting platform to build anything. Things that don't deserve to be broken will be broken in the pell-mell, and it must be emphatically not fun to be somewhere where the fallout will be felt. I can see how the schadenfreude is in bad taste... but it is tempting.

Edit: It's also worth considering the cathartic effect of embracing the boorish, threatening stereotype. For outsiders, it's certainly refreshing to see the pig without lipstick and acting like the bully we always considered it to be - but it's also refreshing for someone on the inside, who's accustomed to being accused of being a violent bully, when they think they're being moderate and could've achieved more by being more assertive, to finally abandon civility and start collecting skulls for the Skull Throne. Take that from a post-2022 Russian.

P.S. Guys, I already got out my bingo card out and we've got a 1984 and a Star Wars reference. Can we get a Harry Potter one now?

P.P.S. Also, speaking of idiocy and unpredictability, mark this down - Snowden will be pardoned by the end of this week as part of a delayed "spy" swap for Fogel. No mention will be made of Orange Man's earlier ridicule of trading Booth for Griner

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[AlamoVampire]

19 minutes ago, DDE said:

S. Guys, I already got out my bingo card out and we've got a 1984 and a Star Wars reference

You forgot the Robocop OCP reference I made with a single image. And its terrifying. I want so much to not be witness to it but here we are. I mean it is happening with thunderous applause bought with a dollar. 060902122025

[DDE]

2 minutes ago, AlamoVampire said:

You forgot the Robocop OCP reference I made with a single image. And its terrifying. I want so much to not be witness to it but here we are. I mean it is happening with thunderous applause bought with a dollar. 060902122025

It's not on the list of references that are tired, or attempts to misapply non-political or politically non-specific references to current Earth politics. Robocop knows exactly what it's about.

And it's definitely the future that is here, and has been here for quite a while.

[AlamoVampire]

55 minutes ago, DDE said:

It's not on the list of references that are tired, or attempts to misapply non-political or politically non-specific references to current Earth politics. Robocop knows exactly what it's about.

And it's definitely the future that is here, and has been here for quite a while.

I see where youre pointing. My view is its like all that is wrong in the fictions as well as history got chucked into a blender giving us what we have. And OCP/Old Detroit kinda feel like the closest analogue to the reality we face which is horrifying. It scares me how much these fictions seem to be predicting whats coming. If that makes sense. Am i making sense? 073202122025

[DDE]

37 minutes ago, AlamoVampire said:

My view is its like all that is wrong in the fictions as well as history got chucked into a blender giving us what we have.

I think we're talking past each other in a way.

I think there are three types of political fiction. There's fiction that is very clearly a parable for a certain political issue, with the actors clearly recognizable. Because of that, it doesn't age too well. That is does it's a bad omen. Then there's fiction that tries to be ageless, and it usually does so by being more generic, throwing many political baddies into a blender. That's why Lucas couldn't decide if the Empire were Imperial Rome, the Soviets, the British, or Bush Jr. - they were all of that once.

And then there's settings that don't really have politics, but get held up as political anyway. There's a Russian phrase "stretching an owl onto a globe..."

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