[1.12.5] Bluedog Design Bureau - Stockalike Saturn, Apollo, and more! (v1.13.0 "Забытый" 13/Aug/2023)

[pTrevTrevs]

6 hours ago, Kuiper_Belt said:

Atlas Agena and Delta M - Sleek Rides to Deep Space!

Team Atlas or Team Delta? That's the question...

This is certified Gang Delta turf. Something about a long slender rocket with nine SRBs just checks all the boxes for me.

[CobaltWolf]

Dev stream going live again, working on Big G some more now that we have a properly sized Saturn.

[GoldForest]

12 minutes ago, CobaltWolf said:

Dev stream going live again, working on Big G some more now that we have a properly sized Saturn.

 Saturn I/V Big G?! Yes!

[DaveyJ576]

12 hours ago, Kuiper_Belt said:

Atlas Agena and Delta M - Sleek Rides to Deep Space!

Team Atlas or Team Delta? That's the question...

Team Atlas for me. That stage and a half configuration is pretty darn cool.

6 hours ago, Beccab said:

The Integrated Program Plan (1969)
Manned martian landing, part one


The IPP, and in particular Grenning's Maximum Program which this recreation follows, was a grandiose plan laid out by NASA as a follow up to Apollo spanning over 14 years; it includes, but isn't limited to, earth-to-orbit shuttles, nuclear shuttles, space bases with a crew of 50 people, permanent lunar outposts, 41 INT-21 launches and finally with humanity setting foot on mars as early as 1982 on which this post focuses on.

  Reveal hidden contents

This post focuses on the buildup to the mission, which sees involved two mars transfer vehicles, an earth-to-orbit shuttle, six nuclear shuttles and various INT-21 and space tugs (plus fuel depots and the space base) and covers everything up until TMI. The next post instead will cover the various phases between TMI and landing and the return to Earth

The first launch is the one of the Shuttle, for which I chose the Starclipper since at the time it was the prevalent design apparently (like the one below) and appears in most official IPP artworks. However, if congress really proceeded with the funding requested for these plans NASA probably would have gone with one of the many fully reusable shuttle designs that were being made, for obvious reasons.


 

The Earth-to-orbit Shuttle now approact to the space base. It is a very large space station with a permanent crew between 50 and 100, constructed in three INT-21 launches during the late 70s with S-II sized modules plus various shuttles and includes a workshop to repair satellites, both space-facing and earth-facing instruments and artificial gravity. It is based on Robert Gilruth's "million pound" space station design of 1968 shown below
 

  Reveal hidden contents

Here is a showcase of the artificial gravity, since I have no idea how to embed a gif or mp4
https://i.imgur.com/X9ViDGV.mp4

Docking:

Now it's time for the launch of the Planetary Mission Module and the Mars Excursion Module combined on an uprated INT-21, as well as the various probes used in the mission. The launch also reaches the space base for checkouts and crew transfer from the Starclipper shuttle

  Reveal hidden contents

and Space Tug-assisted docking next to the Starclipper of both this spacecraft and an identical one launched soon after

Time for the Reusable Nuclear Shuttle!

  Reveal hidden contents

Of the various designs that were studied by Rockwell I went for the hybrid configuration with the tank launched upside down and the NERVA launched on the Shuttle separately, partially because that seems to be the configuration that appears most frequently on IPP drawings from the 70s

Due to weight constrains, the RNS is launched with tanks only half filled; not even the power of an INT-21 could lift it to orbit otherwise. Because of this, its next step is making a tug-assisted docking at one of the many fuel depots in LEO; for this I took a Douglas concept that is a little older and updated it to be more realistic with radiators, solar panels and coolant. This one also features what was supposed to be the main role of the Shuttle at the time, which is to transport fuel to orbital stations and hydrolox space tugs.

The second part, instead, shows the NERVA engine that was carried to orbit on a Shuttle being mated to its tank to complete the RNS assembly

  Reveal hidden contents

It's time for the final assembly: the interplanetary spacecrafts undocks from the space base together with a space tug and meets with three RNS each; two of those were launched specifically for this mission, while the other 4 were already in orbit for transportation to lunar orbit and to the GEO space station.

Now that that the twin spacecrafts have been assembled and the final checkouts completed, the clock has started: the two lateral NERVA engines ignite at the same time, launching 12 brave people on a trans-martian injection, and...

Well, you'll see next week!

Extremely well done! Some of the finest work I have seen on these forums. Perhaps some day my KSP-mojo will develop to that point. 

22 minutes ago, CobaltWolf said:

Dev stream going live again, working on Big G some more now that we have a properly sized Saturn.

I have read about and understand your reasons behind not doing the two point chute suspension, but it sure would be nice…  Just sayin… 

 

[billbobjebkirk]

8 hours ago, Beccab said:

The Integrated Program Plan (1969)
Manned martian landing, part one


The IPP, and in particular Grenning's Maximum Program which this recreation follows, was a grandiose plan laid out by NASA as a follow up to Apollo spanning over 14 years; it includes, but isn't limited to, earth-to-orbit shuttles, nuclear shuttles, space bases with a crew of 50 people, permanent lunar outposts, 41 INT-21 launches and finally with humanity setting foot on mars as early as 1982 on which this post focuses on.

-snip-

I wish I could super-like this, it's so friggin awesome to see the IPP architecture in its full glory

(RDM, you should have taken notes!)

Edited February 6, 2022 by billbobjebkirk

[DeadJohn]

14 hours ago, Kuiper_Belt said:

Team Atlas or Team Delta? That's the question...

Neither, or both I often use Delta lower stages with Atlas-Agena upper stages.

BDB's Agena variants are very adaptable to different mission types. I don't care for the Atlas stage-and-a-half, though, because VAB DV estimates are less accurate.

[CobaltWolf]

Stream over for the day, got thinking about other chores I need to do.

Some good progress on Big G, I think it'll look great once I finish transferring all the different kinds of details from the Gemini SM.

[OrbitalManeuvers]

One is enjoying the large payload capacities possible with the revamped parts!

Spoiler

 

[DaveyJ576]

@CobaltWolf, what are your plans for the retrograde package on your above mentioned Big G? Detachable retro module with solids? It seems that there are some OMS motors at the bottom of the SM. 

[Guest]

A bit late on the ASTP adapter addition. It works a treat! And yes, that's Kerbin in the background, not a dodgy Gerry Anderson space warp effect.

[Jcking]

3 hours ago, DaveyJ576 said:

@CobaltWolf, what are your plans for the retrograde package on your above mentioned Big G? Detachable retro module with solids? It seems that there are some OMS motors at the bottom of the SM. 

The bit with the RCS quads separates from the cargo module with 8 gemini retro motors for deorbit.

[Invaderchaos]

Some more progress on APAS 75:

I will start texturing it soon.

Soyuz Version that will be featured in Tantares:

Edited February 7, 2022 by Invaderchaos

[blu3wolf]

11 hours ago, DeadJohn said:

I often use Delta lower stages with Atlas-Agena upper stages.

Isnt that just an Agena upper stage, if you arent using the Atlas part?

Or are you putting an Atlas stage on top of a Delta rocket?

[Cheesecake]

@CobaltWolfAre there plans to make the Apollo-Missionmodules shiny like the Apollo-CM?

[spacehex]

On 2/6/2022 at 9:37 AM, Beccab said:

The Integrated Program Plan (1969)
Manned martian landing, part one


The IPP, and in particular Grenning's Maximum Program which this recreation follows, was a grandiose plan laid out by NASA as a follow up to Apollo spanning over 14 years; it includes, but isn't limited to, earth-to-orbit shuttles, nuclear shuttles, space bases with a crew of 50 people, permanent lunar outposts, 41 INT-21 launches and finally with humanity setting foot on mars as early as 1982 on which this post focuses on.

  Reveal hidden contents

This post focuses on the buildup to the mission, which sees involved two mars transfer vehicles, an earth-to-orbit shuttle, six nuclear shuttles and various INT-21 and space tugs (plus fuel depots and the space base) and covers everything up until TMI. The next post instead will cover the various phases between TMI and landing and the return to Earth

The first launch is the one of the Shuttle, for which I chose the Starclipper since at the time it was the prevalent design apparently (like the one below) and appears in most official IPP artworks. However, if congress really proceeded with the funding requested for these plans NASA probably would have gone with one of the many fully reusable shuttle designs that were being made, for obvious reasons.


 

The Earth-to-orbit Shuttle now approact to the space base. It is a very large space station with a permanent crew between 50 and 100, constructed in three INT-21 launches during the late 70s with S-II sized modules plus various shuttles and includes a workshop to repair satellites, both space-facing and earth-facing instruments and artificial gravity. It is based on Robert Gilruth's "million pound" space station design of 1968 shown below
 

  Reveal hidden contents

Here is a showcase of the artificial gravity, since I have no idea how to embed a gif or mp4
https://i.imgur.com/X9ViDGV.mp4

Docking:

Now it's time for the launch of the Planetary Mission Module and the Mars Excursion Module combined on an uprated INT-21, as well as the various probes used in the mission. The launch also reaches the space base for checkouts and crew transfer from the Starclipper shuttle

  Reveal hidden contents

and Space Tug-assisted docking next to the Starclipper of both this spacecraft and an identical one launched soon after

Time for the Reusable Nuclear Shuttle!

  Reveal hidden contents

Of the various designs that were studied by Rockwell I went for the hybrid configuration with the tank launched upside down and the NERVA launched on the Shuttle separately, partially because that seems to be the configuration that appears most frequently on IPP drawings from the 70s

Due to weight constrains, the RNS is launched with tanks only half filled; not even the power of an INT-21 could lift it to orbit otherwise. Because of this, its next step is making a tug-assisted docking at one of the many fuel depots in LEO; for this I took a Douglas concept that is a little older and updated it to be more realistic with radiators, solar panels and coolant. This one also features what was supposed to be the main role of the Shuttle at the time, which is to transport fuel to orbital stations and hydrolox space tugs.

The second part, instead, shows the NERVA engine that was carried to orbit on a Shuttle being mated to its tank to complete the RNS assembly

  Reveal hidden contents

It's time for the final assembly: the interplanetary spacecrafts undocks from the space base together with a space tug and meets with three RNS each; two of those were launched specifically for this mission, while the other 4 were already in orbit for transportation to lunar orbit and to the GEO space station.

Now that that the twin spacecrafts have been assembled and the final checkouts completed, the clock has started: the two lateral NERVA engines ignite at the same time, launching 12 brave people on a trans-martian injection, and...

Well, you'll see next week!

Your screenshots are an absolute delight. 

Integrated Program Plan's LM-B space tug is the best thing ever. 

[Pappystein]

19 hours ago, CobaltWolf said:

Stream over for the day, got thinking about other chores I need to do.

Some good progress on Big G, I think it'll look great once I finish transferring all the different kinds of details from the Gemini SM.

Oy! how did I miss this!   I was even home and online most of the day!   DOH!   Vacation weekend wasted

I know it is low priority now but are we going to see the Big Cylinder SM for Big G as well?    Currently you have the Low Cost Cylinder SM in game.  (I might have the name "Low cost" applied to the wrong one)

Edited February 7, 2022 by Pappystein

[CessnaSkyhawk]

On 2/5/2022 at 10:00 PM, Kuiper_Belt said:

Atlas Agena and Delta M - Sleek Rides to Deep Space!

Team Atlas or Team Delta? That's the question...

Team Delta FTW 

[CobaltWolf]

17 hours ago, DaveyJ576 said:

@CobaltWolf, what are your plans for the retrograde package on your above mentioned Big G? Detachable retro module with solids? It seems that there are some OMS motors at the bottom of the SM. 

14 hours ago, Jcking said:

The bit with the RCS quads separates from the cargo module with 8 gemini retro motors for deorbit.

Yes, it has a retro section and an equipment section, like the Gemini.

 

1 hour ago, Pappystein said:

I know it is low priority now but are we going to see the Big Cylinder SM for Big G as well?    Currently you have the Low Cost Cylinder SM in game.  (I might have the name "Low cost" applied to the wrong one)

Yes, I plan to revamp that as well to include a proper retro section, etc.

 

7 hours ago, Cheesecake said:

@CobaltWolfAre there plans to make the Apollo-Missionmodules shiny like the Apollo-CM?

No, they wouldn't be covered in the kapton tape. They're meant to be the same as the SMs.

 

[DeadJohn]

10 hours ago, blu3wolf said:

Isnt that just an Agena upper stage, if you arent using the Atlas part?

Or are you putting an Atlas stage on top of a Delta rocket?

Yes to your question. I often use one of the many Delta models with an Agena upper stage. AFAIK Agena was never flown on Delta so it's a non-historical rocket.

My earlier post said "Atlas-Agena upper stage" because I was answering in the context of an earlier post about which of 2 rockets we prefer. I see how that can cause confusion.

[Friznit]

Just now, DeadJohn said:

Yes to your question. I often use one of the many Delta models with an Agena upper stage. AFAIK Agena was never flown on Delta so it's a non-historical rocket.

My earlier post said "Atlas-Agena upper stage" because I was answering in the context of an earlier post about which of 2 rockets we prefer. I see how that can cause confusion.

Team Thorad 

[DeadJohn]

6 minutes ago, Friznit said:

Team Thorad 

Good point. I tend to think of Thorad as not being Delta, but there's so much overlap between Thor and Delta that it's unclear.

Is Thorad a Delta rocket or a Thor rocket? Both, and neither: Schrodinger's rocket family.

[CobaltWolf]

17 minutes ago, DeadJohn said:

Yes to your question. I often use one of the many Delta models with an Agena upper stage. AFAIK Agena was never flown on Delta so it's a non-historical rocket.

My earlier post said "Atlas-Agena upper stage" because I was answering in the context of an earlier post about which of 2 rockets we prefer. I see how that can cause confusion.

14 minutes ago, Friznit said:

Team Thorad 

Just now, DeadJohn said:

Good point. I tend to think of Thorad as not being Delta, but there's so much overlap between Thor and Delta that it's unclear.

Is Thorad a Delta rocket or a Thor rocket? Both, and neither: Schrodinger's rocket family.

Delta was a NASA-only rocket. Thor-Agena continued to fly, and upgrades like the straight-wall tank, better engines, and Castor boosters were developed for the USAF under the "Thorad" (THOR ADvanced) program. These changes were then incrementally applied to the NASA Delta's 1-2 years down the line. There's also a handful of NASA Thor-Agena launches, but they're fairly rare.

This page is a good run through the history: https://www.spacelaunchreport.com/thorflew.html

[DaveyJ576]

On 2/6/2022 at 1:33 PM, CobaltWolf said:

Stream over for the day, got thinking about other chores I need to do.

Some good progress on Big G, I think it'll look great once I finish transferring all the different kinds of details from the Gemini SM.

You know, upon reflection, I think the dev team needs to shift some names around. I think this creation needs to be called "Bell" (or Belle). Call the Agena something else! 

Edited February 7, 2022 by DaveyJ576
Minor edit

[Adam-Kerman]

Idk on what is Happening, but I place engines on  Saturn S-1 Engine Mount and it somehow get's larger

seems it just gets big on it's own when place it on node

(doesn't seem to affect loaded crafts)

list of engines affected that grow (in Saturn search list)
- H-1D
- H-1C

- F-1

- J-2 Sea Level

- J-2S

-J-2

- J-2T Aerospike

Edit: also seems to happen on Saturn V Engine mount with F-1

and the S-II Engine Mount with J-2

and the S-IVB Engine Mount with J-2

Edited February 8, 2022 by Adam-Kerman

[braxfortex]

1 hour ago, Adam-Kerman said:

Idk on what is Happening, but I place engines on  Saturn S-1 Engine Mount and it somehow get's larger

seems it just gets big on it's own when place it on node

(doesn't seem to affect loaded crafts)

[snip]

This has to do with a setting in Tweakscale, something about autosizing parts.  Turn that off and you should be good to go.